148mph .... with pillion !
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Willy Nilly said:
vonhosen said:
Willy Nilly said:
vonhosen said:
Hooli said:
Right I've now watched the video....
..And I agree with whoever posted that all the morons who can't drive on the left should have been charged while the bike was using the road correctly. TBH it doesn't look far off a normal commute to me, it was hardly dangerous.
What it ultimately comes down to is which opinion is of consequence to the rider (or indeed any of us), yours or the courts?..And I agree with whoever posted that all the morons who can't drive on the left should have been charged while the bike was using the road correctly. TBH it doesn't look far off a normal commute to me, it was hardly dangerous.
Maybe the law should ban bikes altogether, it certainly should ban smoking, drinking to excess, being fat and not taking enough exercise. Chainsaws should be banned, working on construction sites should be banned, working on farms should be banned. We should all just live in a big soft house so we can't damage ourselves, listening to nice, soothing music, so it keeps are blood pressure low lest we have a heart attack.
The guy was going a bit quick, the police have miss lead the public by implying the 148 the police rider was doing was the speed the pursued rider was doing, then telling the public how dangerous it was when precisely no people/ animals or illegal immigrants were hurt during the pursuit. It's all b
ks. The law doesn't guarantee to keep you from harm, it deals with your actions not outcomes.
What doesn't matter for that is exactly what speed was on the speedo (the article says 148mph, the Police aren't quoted as saying 148mph). He had legal advice & he pleaded guilty to dangerous riding.
Danger isn't judged by the outcome. If you fire a gun into a crowd & miss everybody, it doesn't mean that firing the gun into the crowd could be considered a safe & appropriate action. That doesn't mean I am equating the two, just that no harm does not equal no foul.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 31st March 23:16
vonhosen said:
Hooli said:
Right I've now watched the video....
..And I agree with whoever posted that all the morons who can't drive on the left should have been charged while the bike was using the road correctly. TBH it doesn't look far off a normal commute to me, it was hardly dangerous.
What it ultimately comes down to is which opinion is of consequence to the rider (or indeed any of us), yours or the courts?..And I agree with whoever posted that all the morons who can't drive on the left should have been charged while the bike was using the road correctly. TBH it doesn't look far off a normal commute to me, it was hardly dangerous.
To me the idiots who don't know how to use Lane 1 in the video are more dangerous than the rider was.
iambeowulf said:
Going from L3 to L1 is not a sensible way of riding. Especially when there is no way he can see around larger vehicles.
It would have been easier at those speeds to split the lanes and a hell of a lot more fun too!
If there is a vid, I haven't watched it. But there is a theory that if you are "making progress" then you may attract less attention in L1. If there is a camera van, then the operator may be putting most of their attention into L3. Being in L1 may give you a second or two more time to make sure... that you aren't making too much progress. It would have been easier at those speeds to split the lanes and a hell of a lot more fun too!
graphene said:
Vipers said:
It's perhaps a good job some of the cars didn't change lanes.
Yes, for either of the riders. But, then, they probably both well understand the normal patterns of behaviour on UK roads.creampuff said:
iambeowulf said:
Going from L3 to L1 is not a sensible way of riding. Especially when there is no way he can see around larger vehicles.
It would have been easier at those speeds to split the lanes and a hell of a lot more fun too!
If there is a vid, I haven't watched it. But there is a theory that if you are "making progress" then you may attract less attention in L1. If there is a camera van, then the operator may be putting most of their attention into L3. Being in L1 may give you a second or two more time to make sure... that you aren't making too much progress. It would have been easier at those speeds to split the lanes and a hell of a lot more fun too!
Just watched the video and read all the banter, I just want to know who's going to prosecute the copper?
Agree the ZZR was clearly going over 70, is riding like a nob, shouldn't have undertaken or been weaving around but the copper is clearly going like stink to catch him and quite happy to undertake and weave around making two bikes potential death traps to the innocent lane hogging public. It's this sort of stuff that makes me lose any respect I have for the police. As others have said, if riding like an idiot put on the blues and pull them over ASAP and give them a warning. (P.S. assuming no blue lights as can't see any reflections). We all know we would ride slower and and safer after a close shave with the police, has to be a far safer option for both riders and the public.
Agree the ZZR was clearly going over 70, is riding like a nob, shouldn't have undertaken or been weaving around but the copper is clearly going like stink to catch him and quite happy to undertake and weave around making two bikes potential death traps to the innocent lane hogging public. It's this sort of stuff that makes me lose any respect I have for the police. As others have said, if riding like an idiot put on the blues and pull them over ASAP and give them a warning. (P.S. assuming no blue lights as can't see any reflections). We all know we would ride slower and and safer after a close shave with the police, has to be a far safer option for both riders and the public.
vrod said:
Just watched the video and read all the banter, I just want to know who's going to prosecute the copper?
Agree the ZZR was clearly going over 70, is riding like a nob, shouldn't have undertaken or been weaving around but the copper is clearly going like stink to catch him and quite happy to undertake and weave around making two bikes potential death traps to the innocent lane hogging public. It's this sort of stuff that makes me lose any respect I have for the police. As others have said, if riding like an idiot put on the blues and pull them over ASAP and give them a warning. (P.S. assuming no blue lights as can't see any reflections). We all know we would ride slower and and safer after a close shave with the police, has to be a far safer option for both riders and the public.
So you want every emergency vehicle over the speed limit prosecuted?Agree the ZZR was clearly going over 70, is riding like a nob, shouldn't have undertaken or been weaving around but the copper is clearly going like stink to catch him and quite happy to undertake and weave around making two bikes potential death traps to the innocent lane hogging public. It's this sort of stuff that makes me lose any respect I have for the police. As others have said, if riding like an idiot put on the blues and pull them over ASAP and give them a warning. (P.S. assuming no blue lights as can't see any reflections). We all know we would ride slower and and safer after a close shave with the police, has to be a far safer option for both riders and the public.
As there is no sound, we don't know if the siren was on, I would think blues and twos were on to warn drivers of his presence. So any suggestion how to have stopped the motorcyclist before he caused a major incident with his antics, no easy answer, except try to catch him up.
Vipers said:
So you want every emergency vehicle over the speed limit prosecuted?
As there is no sound, we don't know if the siren was on, I would think blues and twos were on to warn drivers of his presence. So any suggestion how to have stopped the motorcyclist before he caused a major incident with his antics, no easy answer, except try to catch him up.
No, not at all Viper, Ambulances and valid police emergencies are more than welcome to go above the national speed limit when appropriate.As there is no sound, we don't know if the siren was on, I would think blues and twos were on to warn drivers of his presence. So any suggestion how to have stopped the motorcyclist before he caused a major incident with his antics, no easy answer, except try to catch him up.
I may be wrong, I just think unmarked police vehicles seem to follow vehicles for a long time 'waiting' to see what they can do them for rather than stopping them early with a warning.
I do think doing almost 150 to 'catch up' a bike that only 'appears' to be doing around 100 could be deemed excessive yet it seems to be OK as I'm sure they were only doing their job! As most of us on here are petrol heads, maybe we are in the wrong job
Police are supposed to discontinue a pursuit if the risk becomes disproportionate to the reason for undertaking it.
In my opinion, the police officer isn't riding any safer than the other biker, and from the video appears to be riding at speeds well in excess of the bike they are following.
So two vehicles being driven 'dangerously' to stop one seems disproportionate to me.
In my opinion, the police officer isn't riding any safer than the other biker, and from the video appears to be riding at speeds well in excess of the bike they are following.
So two vehicles being driven 'dangerously' to stop one seems disproportionate to me.
clen666 said:
Police are supposed to discontinue a pursuit if the risk becomes disproportionate to the reason for undertaking it.
In my opinion, the police officer isn't riding any safer than the other biker, and from the video appears to be riding at speeds well in excess of the bike they are following.
So two vehicles being driven 'dangerously' to stop one seems disproportionate to me.
Could be, but different from us here dissecting the incident, to the real time when plod sees a biker doing what he did, but I would like to think plod was more experienced in fast pursuits than the biker.In my opinion, the police officer isn't riding any safer than the other biker, and from the video appears to be riding at speeds well in excess of the bike they are following.
So two vehicles being driven 'dangerously' to stop one seems disproportionate to me.
But again, what do you do, let him continue with the possibility of causing a major incident. Either way he was stopped.
nightflight said:
Not read the whole thread, so apologies in advance, but how many cars on that video were driving in the overtaking lanes while not overtaking. His riding wasn't brilliant, but the usual standard of driving from the car drivers. In other words, rubbish.
How is it anything other than a huge fk up by the rider? 127 or 148, he was asking to be nicked. The car drivers had zero to do with it and tbh Darwin will probably get him next time. Glad he is off the road for a while. yonex said:
nightflight said:
Not read the whole thread, so apologies in advance, but how many cars on that video were driving in the overtaking lanes while not overtaking. His riding wasn't brilliant, but the usual standard of driving from the car drivers. In other words, rubbish.
How is it anything other than a huge fk up by the rider? 127 or 148, he was asking to be nicked. The car drivers had zero to do with it and tbh Darwin will probably get him next time. Glad he is off the road for a while. nightflight said:
Not read the whole thread, so apologies in advance, but how many cars on that video were driving in the overtaking lanes while not overtaking. His riding wasn't brilliant, but the usual standard of driving from the car drivers. In other words, rubbish.
Just usual low standard of lane discipline.Vipers said:
nightflight said:
Not read the whole thread, so apologies in advance, but how many cars on that video were driving in the overtaking lanes while not overtaking. His riding wasn't brilliant, but the usual standard of driving from the car drivers. In other words, rubbish.
Just usual low standard of lane discipline.Pothole said:
Why do Police spokespersons always say such stupid things about these incidents?
"After sentencing, Sgt Nick Edwards said the speeds Roberts was driving at were for "racetracks not public roads".
"The levels of harm to which Paul Roberts subjected himself, his pillion passenger, the public and my officer are just beyond comprehension," he said."
erm...
Oh dear. It is the unnatural attempts at over-eloquence (and unnecessary incredulity) that often come out all wrong."After sentencing, Sgt Nick Edwards said the speeds Roberts was driving at were for "racetracks not public roads".
"The levels of harm to which Paul Roberts subjected himself, his pillion passenger, the public and my officer are just beyond comprehension," he said."
erm...
I have heard traffic Police saying similarly odd things, although they are probably accustomed to talking to a lot of ignorant people.
Deranged Granny said:
Vipers said:
nightflight said:
Not read the whole thread, so apologies in advance, but how many cars on that video were driving in the overtaking lanes while not overtaking. His riding wasn't brilliant, but the usual standard of driving from the car drivers. In other words, rubbish.
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