Can someone explain this new(?) riding technique?
Discussion
Tim85 said:
There's a lad in bsb superstock 600 or maybe supersport, last year he was on a gold triumph if I remember rightly. He used to do it quite extremely and Whitham always used to comment on how dangerous it looked/he thought it was. Maybe he was just ahead of the game. I did just see one of the Ducati riders doing it but not sure if it was on purpose.
That's the one I mentioned earlier. curlie467 said:
I'm just happy to get round a lap without binning it let alone varying the weight through each peg for better control!
I know what you mean!I'm always surprised when people say I have a smooth riding style. It never feels smooth! Usually I'm thinking please don't crash!
SAS Tom said:
How do you put a steering input through the peg? It isnt connected to the bars.
Whatever this new style thing is I have no idea but I've seen people say this before but surely you can turn the bike through shifting your weight on the pegs or 'weighting the pegs' however you want to describe it. You can stand up with no hands on the bars and move around in a lane, I'm not sure you'd get round cascades ha but you can go left and right slightly.?Tim85 said:
SAS Tom said:
How do you put a steering input through the peg? It isnt connected to the bars.
Whatever this new style thing is I have no idea but I've seen people say this before but surely you can turn the bike through shifting your weight on the pegs or 'weighting the pegs' however you want to describe it. You can stand up with no hands on the bars and move around in a lane, I'm not sure you'd get round cascades ha but you can go left and right slightly.?Hooli said:
Tim85 said:
SAS Tom said:
How do you put a steering input through the peg? It isnt connected to the bars.
Whatever this new style thing is I have no idea but I've seen people say this before but surely you can turn the bike through shifting your weight on the pegs or 'weighting the pegs' however you want to describe it. You can stand up with no hands on the bars and move around in a lane, I'm not sure you'd get round cascades ha but you can go left and right slightly.?Hooli said:
The bike leans as you move your weight, it then folds slightly around the 'hinge' that is the headstock causing the front wheel to turn away from the lean so it leans more & turns the way your leaning. Same as counter steering except it takes longer to get the effect.
Ah cheers. Makes sense, just not something I've thought about before. So this new extreme variation aside we do all aid counter steer when we lean into a corner putting weight through the ball of our feet on the inside peg however minimally. Tim85 said:
Hooli said:
The bike leans as you move your weight, it then folds slightly around the 'hinge' that is the headstock causing the front wheel to turn away from the lean so it leans more & turns the way your leaning. Same as counter steering except it takes longer to get the effect.
Ah cheers. Makes sense, just not something I've thought about before. So this new extreme variation aside we do all aid counter steer when we lean into a corner putting weight through the ball of our feet on the inside peg however minimally. 
That's how it seems to me anyway.
Back in the day, you could see it happening as you rode around corners not holding the bars on your BMX.
LoonR1 said:
Really? You must be some racer and have a few championships under your belt to be bothering doing that.
LoonR1 said:
Hooli said:
Tim85 said:
SAS Tom said:
How do you put a steering input through the peg? It isnt connected to the bars.
Whatever this new style thing is I have no idea but I've seen people say this before but surely you can turn the bike through shifting your weight on the pegs or 'weighting the pegs' however you want to describe it. You can stand up with no hands on the bars and move around in a lane, I'm not sure you'd get round cascades ha but you can go left and right slightly.?I am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
998420 said:
Why do you feel so threatened by a simple suggestion?
I am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
I'm not even remotely threatened, nor am I even vaguely convinced by what you've written. I am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
998420 said:
Why do you feel so threatened by a simple suggestion?
I am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
Pretty sure they talk about this on twist of the wrist and say that what you have just said is bI am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
ks.998420 said:
Why do you feel so threatened by a simple suggestion?
I am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWuTcJcqAngI am sure I picked up the idea from some proper riding tuition and it feels "right" it has nothing to do with going fast or racing techniques. Try it, giving it the berries on a typical Road, lift yer but fractionally off the seat, just feather the bars and move the bike where you want it to go mainly by the pressure you put on the pegs (and grip between your calves.
About 50 seconds in
Tim85 said:
There's a lad in bsb superstock 600 or maybe supersport, last year he was on a gold triumph if I remember rightly. He used to do it quite extremely and Whitham always used to comment on how dangerous it looked/he thought it was. Maybe he was just ahead of the game. I did just see one of the Ducati riders doing it but not sure if it was on purpose.
Thats what I was trying to remember and mention! I remembered Whitham saying that it was a bad habit he had got in to, and he should try to stop before moving up classes to bikes with greater performance, i'm sure. How odd that it's become a new thing, struggling to see the advantage dynamics wise - the dangling leg under braking makes sense when you read about how the centre of gravity changes.
LoonR1 said:
Hooli said:
Tim85 said:
SAS Tom said:
How do you put a steering input through the peg? It isnt connected to the bars.
Whatever this new style thing is I have no idea but I've seen people say this before but surely you can turn the bike through shifting your weight on the pegs or 'weighting the pegs' however you want to describe it. You can stand up with no hands on the bars and move around in a lane, I'm not sure you'd get round cascades ha but you can go left and right slightly.?
I think I do it when i'm really going for it, or have entered a corner faster than I intended and need to get the bike tipped over hard.
Not something most of us put any thought into though, or do purposely. You're advised to ride on the balls of your feet for finer control, I suppose for weighting the pegs, if you're a racing god and actually actively try to weight the pegs.
I don't believe that for one second. Countersteering is something we all do, because without it we would crash at every corner. The idea that standing on the pegs, or even more precisely "applying a little weight" has any effect at all at our level is farcical. It possibly does have an impact at the very, very top level but even then it will be minimal.
LoonR1 said:
I don't believe that for one second. Countersteering is something we all do, because without it we would crash at every corner. The idea that standing on the pegs, or even more precisely "applying a little weight" has any effect at all at our level is farcical. It possibly does have an impact at the very, very top level but even then it will be minimal.
Well, we can agree to disagree.I believe any of us vary the weight that is applied to the peg when riding hard, although naturally without any conscious thought.
Whether it has any effect I don't know for sure, and at our level conscious thought about varying weight through the pegs I agree, it is worth sweet f
k all, but thats not what I was saying. I believe we do it subconsciously, to make the bike lean over quicker, and that it does.Possibly I do it to lift myself up and transition from hanging off one side of the bike a little to the other, and in turn that change in weight distribution helps to turn in harder and lean quicker.
13aines said:
Well, we can agree to disagree.
I believe any of us vary the weight that is applied to the peg when riding hard, although naturally without any conscious thought.
Whether it has any effect I don't know for sure, and at our level conscious thought about varying weight through the pegs I agree, it is worth sweet fk all, but thats not what I was saying. I believe we do it subconsciously, to make the bike lean over quicker, and that it does.
Possibly I do it to lift myself up and transition from hanging off one side of the bike a little to the other, and in turn that change in weight distribution helps to turn in harder and lean quicker.
Watch this video. It was posted further up the threadI believe any of us vary the weight that is applied to the peg when riding hard, although naturally without any conscious thought.
Whether it has any effect I don't know for sure, and at our level conscious thought about varying weight through the pegs I agree, it is worth sweet f
k all, but thats not what I was saying. I believe we do it subconsciously, to make the bike lean over quicker, and that it does.Possibly I do it to lift myself up and transition from hanging off one side of the bike a little to the other, and in turn that change in weight distribution helps to turn in harder and lean quicker.
http://youtu.be/JWuTcJcqAng
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