Putting footage on Yourube and plod

Putting footage on Yourube and plod

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Esceptico

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7,347 posts

108 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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I am a bit of an insomniac so was up far too early this morning. Found myself watching some YouTube videos by Baronvongrumble. Got me thinking I should try the 899.

Anyway, also got me thinking on how people get away with posting such stuff on the Internet as he is clearly exceeding the speed limits by a big margin.

Is it just that the police don't have the resources or will to chase people? Or lack of evidence? I don't think you can see the speedo but I would have thought that there were other ways of estimating speed eg distance between white lines is generally standard (?) and wouldn't it be easy to count how many you pass in a certain amount of footage to estimate average speed?

Question is not purely academic as I drove in a group recently and someone behind me had a video camera. Not that we were speeding of course. But still wonder how sensible it is to post stuff on the web.

jackh707

2,126 posts

155 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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I know what you mean, but I think baron Von grumble stays on the right side of taking the piss. And I havn't seen anything in his vids that I would get too excited about.

Im pretty sure many bloggers have disclaimers saying there vids are CGI'd or something as a legal defense.


MrChips

3,263 posts

209 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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If you're only talking about speeding then I would think that there's no way of proving the speed in such a way that it would stand up in court. Time taken between white lines... How Could they prove the video is being played in realtime and it's not been sped up prior to uploading?

I think dangerous driving/serious offences do get looked at though although I think I remember reading that if the video was the only evidence then the police/cps are still wary of putting the manpower towards trying to convict, but I would hope that it is all dependent on what the crime was, if people were hurt etc.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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jackh707 said:
I know what you mean, but I think baron Von grumble stays on the right side of taking the piss. And I havn't seen anything in his vids that I would get too excited about.

Im pretty sure many bloggers have disclaimers saying there vids are CGI'd or something as a legal defense.
That wouldn't even come close to a defence in the real world. However, the police would only take action if the driving / riding was dangerous and warranted action. A bit of speeding here and there isn't going to raise their interest at all, despite what the wibblists would have you believe.

To give you an example, a few weeks back I was observed by an unmarked Audi, doing upwards of 120 in my car, as I was getting annoyed at some other drivers speeding up and slowing down, so I decided to just get rid of them all. They did nothing at all and wouldn't have done, even if the unmarked car didn't have my traffic cop neighbour in it. His view was "it wasn't dangerous at all and you picked the right spot to do it, so we weren't that bothered".

The chances of a YouTube piquing their interest as you're a bit over the speed limit is extremely unlikely. Do it on one wheel and that'll change very quickly though n

terry tibbs

2,188 posts

220 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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jack sanderson thought it was a good idea

rofl


Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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I'm not saying a sensible thing to do, but the number of videos of people doing big speeds on identifiable roads in the UK, filming their mates doing the same sort of thing etc, I doubt all of them have been nicked for it. The fact that the videos are often uploaded under their real names as YouTube has pushed towards aligning with Google+, and they still have the videos of these acts publicly available suggest they don't care. Realistically, do the police even have time to sit trawling YouTube looking for videos so they can try and arrest someone for it?


LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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terry tibbs said:
jack sanderson thought it was a good idea

rofl
Makes my point perfectly, thanks.

Yazza54

18,464 posts

180 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Can't remember his name on here, but there was a guy who had his bike, video kit erc all confiscated for riding like an absolute and posting it online. Think he was called Glen something.

Yazza54

18,464 posts

180 months

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Yazza54 said:
His story about getting all his gear taken off him doesn't seem all that plausible either. Being arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving by "8 coppers in full riot gear" who were allegedly smashing the door in rather than just sending a panda car round to pick him up? Videos of 150mph wheelies into oncoming traffic and they decided it wasn't in the public interest to prosecute? Ok mate.

The thread about his turbocharged R1 was a good read too, I remember that one.

wtdoom

3,742 posts

207 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Mastodon2 said:
His story about getting all his gear taken off him doesn't seem all that plausible either. Being arrested on suspicion of dangerous driving by "8 coppers in full riot gear" who were allegedly smashing the door in rather than just sending a panda car round to pick him up? Videos of 150mph wheelies into oncoming traffic and they decided it wasn't in the public interest to prosecute? Ok mate.

The thread about his turbocharged R1 was a good read too, I remember that one.
Any links to these gems ?

3DP

9,912 posts

233 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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I have a channel with a fair bit of stuff up. It does worry me but I work by the following rules.

1. Don't post anything too dodgy.
2. Don't make the location easily identifiable.
3. If posting really dodgy stuff, film it abroad, with nothing to identify what country it's in or where you are - what country's law were you breaking??
4. Qualify the post with comments like 'film speed altered', 'short gearing throwing speedo out' etc. Ultimately they have to prove you were breaking the law and if you have used slow mos and sped up footage with a bike that has a speedo pulling from gearing, how do they know you weren't running short track gearing etc? I can't see a conviction based on doctored footage and spurious speedo readings. Just make sure you delete all of the original footage and use a product that irretrievably wipes the data on the memory card the footage was on. Luckily I have access to a DOD and banking approved corporate product for this.

It's tin foil hat stuff, but you never know and rather not have a load of incriminating footage easily accessible.

It is a shame as I have some great footage I can never post, but as 95% of Britain's policing appears to be based on you using your own rope to hang yourself with, you don't really want to push your luck and supply them with the rope.

Alas - I've now exited the world of on-board footage as it never comes out how I want. Sold up and money has gone into DSLR bits for better stills frown

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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He responds to this thread, identifying himself as the person riding the bike with the camera attached, he was riding like a total moron. Sadly the video is no longer available.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=5&a...

His cop story

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=5&a...

wtdoom

3,742 posts

207 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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Mastodon2 said:
He responds to this thread, identifying himself as the person riding the bike with the camera attached, he was riding like a total moron. Sadly the video is no longer available.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=5&a...

His cop story

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=5&a...
Thank you matey smile

Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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LoonR1 said:
That wouldn't even come close to a defence in the real world. However, the police would only take action if the driving / riding was dangerous and warranted action. A bit of speeding here and there isn't going to raise their interest at all, despite what the wibblists would have you believe.
Indeed, although if you found yourself before a court answering to the magistrates, you might think an excuse like this would create a reasonable doubt likely to get you off. My experience of magistrates (never having been prosecuted but having been court a few times) is that they typically don't fall for such silly excuses, and don't like being treat like idiots. If the video looks like you're doing 120mph, they're going to take it as 120mph and saying you've sped the video up probably won't do much for you.

Unless of course, you're a proper criminal and you're up for burglary, theft or assault, in which case they'll discharge you at the drop of a hat, for the flimsiest of excuses.


On the subject of what might the police do about your videos, I doubt very much there is anyone going looking, although my local force has recently ran a well publicised campaign that has used footage from Youtube and Facebook to prosecute offenders. There was also another case at court last year for a charge of DBDD that used footage from social media to back the prosecution case that the offender was a reckless driver who frequently drove dangerously. I gather there though that the referrals were either directed by other officers who had people come to attention for driving matters, or for complaints from the public (an impromptu drag strip on a business park was recently shut down with some cars being seized). Suffice to say, the police aren't out looking for trouble, but the wisest thing would be not to make public your own videos if you're going to break the law, because you never know when something will come back and bite you on the arse.

theshrew

6,008 posts

183 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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How would you go on with this then ?

Lets say your have been on a bit of a spirited ride and recording it, pc plonker pulls you over for doing 40 in a 30 or something daft minor like that. He sees you have a cam on your bike, is he aloud to watch this footage if he suspects you of being a bad boy ?

Just a thought as it might not be just what you post online that could land you in the dirt.




Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 23rd May 2015
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theshrew said:
How would you go on with this then ?

Lets say your have been on a bit of a spirited ride and recording it, pc plonker pulls you over for doing 40 in a 30 or something daft minor like that. He sees you have a cam on your bike, is he aloud to watch this footage if he suspects you of being a bad boy ?

Just a thought as it might not be just what you post online that could land you in the dirt.
That had crossed my mind actually - I was on a ride the other day and had a rather iffy BMW following us closely through some 30 and 40 limits, it did make me think that if we were suspected of doing something naughty that they'd probably take one look at the cameras and want the cards out them. I'm not sure where the law stands on that though, if they haven't seen you do anything wrong, can they take your SD card from you? They won't have a way of checking the contents at the road side, certainly.


Baryonyx

17,990 posts

158 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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That footage will be getting looked at, ultimately. The camera and storage would be seized under S.19 of PACE, if you objected you'd likely be arrested for obstruction, thr camera would be seized under S.32 of PACE and you'd be de-arrested once that was done. It would have to be seized in any event because it could be of use to the prosecution case and would need to be preserved in it's original format.


SteveSteveson

3,209 posts

162 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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theshrew said:
How would you go on with this then ?

Lets say your have been on a bit of a spirited ride and recording it, pc plonker pulls you over for doing 40 in a 30 or something daft minor like that. He sees you have a cam on your bike, is he aloud to watch this footage if he suspects you of being a bad boy ?

Just a thought as it might not be just what you post online that could land you in the dirt.
They are going to be far more interested in seeing you doing 40 in a 30 than 100 in a 60 limit on film.

I guess he could take the camera and look at the film, but ultimately it would probably be down to attitude test. If you start with the attitude of your post, then yes, they may well do everything they are able to. Be polite and friendly and you may even not get a ticket just a warning.

theshrew

6,008 posts

183 months

Sunday 24th May 2015
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SteveSteveson said:
They are going to be far more interested in seeing you doing 40 in a 30 than 100 in a 60 limit on film.

I guess he could take the camera and look at the film, but ultimately it would probably be down to attitude test. If you start with the attitude of your post, then yes, they may well do everything they are able to. Be polite and friendly and you may even not get a ticket just a warning.
It's probably a good job I don't own a camera then. Im so rude id be locked up in a flash.