Wtdooms stupid question of the week , abs , the end of mods?

Wtdooms stupid question of the week , abs , the end of mods?

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wtdoom

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3,742 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Forgive me for being stupid but I just thought of something regarding abs .
If you have an abs / linked brake system bike like my r1 for example , does that mean you should never change the brake calipers ?
I've always enjoyed making small modifications to my bikes over the years , does having abs and lbs make this impossible or do the calipers somehow not matter ?
Genuinely interested , feel free to give a detailed response if you have time please .

Has anyone actually modified a bike with abs with different calipers ?

bass gt3

10,186 posts

232 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Only possible problem would be if you fitted substantially better calipers, the ABS might not be calibrated for their initial bite and stopping power. If the ABS computer sees a more rapid rate of deceleration, it may release the pressure effectively negating the better brakes.
However, if you can switch the ABS off, for track use etc, then you should still see the benefit of better brakes

black-k1

11,887 posts

228 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Assuming you keep the appropriate plumbing and don't mess up or remove any of the sensors then there is no reason you couldn't change the calipers.

Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Are the brakes on a 2015 R1 bad enough that you are thinking of changing the calipers? Do you belong in the riding gods thread or is it just a bling thing?

wtdoom

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3,742 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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bass gt3 said:
Only possible problem would be if you fitted substantially better calipers, the ABS might not be calibrated for their initial bite and stopping power. If the ABS computer sees a more rapid rate of deceleration, it may release the pressure effectively negating the better brakes.
However, if you can switch the ABS off, for track use etc, then you should still see the benefit of better brakes
This is the kind of thing happening , I was thinking about .
Interesting for sure !

black-k1 said:
Assuming you keep the appropriate plumbing and don't mess up or remove any of the sensors then there is no reason you couldn't change the calipers.
But won't the sensors etc be calibrated for a particular level of function , or am I missing something ?

anonymous said:
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That would be a no then , Id imagine re calibrating an abs system is not an easy task ?

Jazoli said:
Are the brakes on a 2015 R1 bad enough that you are thinking of changing the calipers? Do you belong in the riding gods thread or is it just a bling thing?
Neither really . Im getting new levers and found a lovely brembo with master cylinder set up . That got me thinking initially about this question .
I have since found cheaper and better ( for my needs ) adjustable levers , so the original question is dead but I have come across a question that I find really intriguing ( to me at least ).
Unless Im missing something ( likely to be fair ) ABS bikes may well almost be the end of the aftermarket brake upgrade rendering them obsolete .

Edited by wtdoom on Tuesday 26th May 13:18

bass gt3

10,186 posts

232 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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Jazoli said:
Are the brakes on a 2015 R1 bad enough that you are thinking of changing the calipers? Do you belong in the riding gods thread or is it just a bling thing?
I did say on my FB report that the one I test rode on Saturday had brakes made of wood..... biggrin

legzr1

3,843 posts

138 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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They take an age to bed in but they're just starting to feel 'ok' after around 400 miles.

Someone used to riding a 10 year old Blade or whatever would find them amazing.
Anyone who's used to modern Brembo monoblocks will think 'meh'.

Lots of amazing stuff on the 2015 R1 - the brakes ain't one of them.

wtdoom

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3,742 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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I have sent an e mail to brembo regarding this issue and will update for those that are interested .

tight5

2,747 posts

158 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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wtdoom said:
I have sent an e mail to brembo regarding this issue
I suspect that they'll say it will be fine and transform your skills up to riding god BN levels of awesomeness !
yes

black-k1

11,887 posts

228 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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wtdoom said:
black-k1 said:
Assuming you keep the appropriate plumbing and don't mess up or remove any of the sensors then there is no reason you couldn't change the calipers.
But won't the sensors etc be calibrated for a particular level of function , or am I missing something ?
The sensors sense wheel rotation speed so they don't care about the callipers.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 26th May 2015
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wtdoom said:
Jazoli said:
Are the brakes on a 2015 R1 bad enough that you are thinking of changing the calipers? Do you belong in the riding gods thread or is it just a bling thing?
Neither really . Im getting new levers and found a lovely brembo with master cylinder set up . That got me thinking initially about this question .
I have since found cheaper and better ( for my needs ) adjustable levers , so the original question is dead but I have come across a question that I find really intriguing ( to me at least ).
Unless Im missing something ( likely to be fair ) ABS bikes may well almost be the end of the aftermarket brake upgrade rendering them obsolete .
There is a significant amount of irony in the bit in bold when replying to,a post by Jazoli.

Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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LoonR1 said:
There is a significant amount of irony in the bit in bold when replying to,a post by Jazoli.
hehe

Yazza54

18,464 posts

180 months

Wednesday 27th May 2015
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Self braking levers are where it's at