Tyre question but not a dull one

Tyre question but not a dull one

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NNK

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1,144 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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Anyone used 'wets' on the road ?
Just coming into winter here in NZ, doesn't get that cold but is often wet.
Husky SM610 so wont be shredding them with the power and the road I will be using it on is nice and twisty.
How long will they last ? Will they fall to bits ? Will I be so confident that I crash spectacularly ?

gwm

2,390 posts

145 months

Thursday 28th May 2015
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I was told that unless it's actually wet, you'll tear them up as they will get too hot very quickly.

Can you not just get road legal touring tyres with better wet weather performance?

NNK

Original Poster:

1,144 posts

200 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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gwm said:
I was told that unless it's actually wet, you'll tear them up as they will get too hot very quickly.

Can you not just get road legal touring tyres with better wet weather performance?
I think that would be correct for a sportsbike, I'm only playing with 55hp. My thinking was the road temp wont be high during winter, sometimes wet and I'll only be riding once or twice a week.

Even though I am getting on now I have never been called sensible so touring tyres are out.

Anyway, they have now been fitted and I have been for a short blast. Turns quick !

HustleRussell

24,738 posts

161 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Are the tyres approved to the necessary standards to be legal for use on the public highway?

I too would expect a tyre designed for the job would probably perform better across the board than a racing wet, at least in terms of consistency which is surely one of the most important considerations for a road tyre.

Esceptico

7,538 posts

110 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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How about winter tyres rather than wets? Should have better tread patterns and also rubber works better in lower temperatures (less than 7 degrees).

On the subject of winter tyres...can you get them for sports bikes too?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

178 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Michelin Pilot Road 4 would be your solution, as they have a tread pattern very similar to wet track tyres, but are designed for road use. Wet tyres will disintegrate, as they are very soft and even 55hp will still involve the tyres getting hot on the road.

Winter tyres for bikes seems a daft idea to me. Just buy tyres that have more tread and a pattern like the above tyre and you've pretty well got them anyway. Can't see there being a market for them, as most riders call it quits and / or wouldn't spend money on new tyres for winter.

Esceptico

7,538 posts

110 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Winter tyres don't cost more as you have normal set for summer and different set for winter so you aren't using more tyres. There is a cost to swapping. I've done that with my cars for years. It isn't just the tread that is different but the rubber. Makes a big difference with car tyres if you look at stopping distances. Could easily make the difference in an emergency in the winter between crashing or not. Not a consideration for fair weather bikers of course.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

178 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Esceptico said:
Winter tyres don't cost more as you have normal set for summer and different set for winter so you aren't using more tyres. There is a cost to swapping. I've done that with my cars for years. It isn't just the tread that is different but the rubber. Makes a big difference with car tyres if you look at stopping distances. Could easily make the difference in an emergency in the winter between crashing or not. Not a consideration for fair weather bikers of course.
And Pilot Road type tyres will be more than capable of doing that job as I said earlier. It's easier to transport spare car tyres to the tyre place in a car than it is on a bike too. I really doubt there's any need for motorbike winter tyres, unless you want the studded ice tyres. Now they're cool, but probably not going to be approved for use on UK roads wink

Dog Star

16,147 posts

169 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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Have a look at Dunlop Mutants, OP.

Specially for SMs.



Edited by Dog Star on Friday 29th May 08:42

gwm

2,390 posts

145 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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NNK said:
Anyway, they have now been fitted and I have been for a short blast. Turns quick !
You didn't hang about! What did you put on?

scorcher

3,986 posts

235 months

Friday 29th May 2015
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All the "track wet tyres" seemed to be marked NHS (not for highway service) Probably for good reason! Although I do remember a few years back seeing a 748/998 Ducati parked up in town with a set of slicks on. Guess the law would take a dim view on that if stopped!

NNK

Original Poster:

1,144 posts

200 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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gwm said:
You didn't hang about! What did you put on?
Pirelli Diablo wets

Jazoli

9,110 posts

251 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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They'll be fine, until you use them in the dry, they get hot, the tread blocks lose their edge then the next time you use them in the wet you'll be all over the shop smile

NNK

Original Poster:

1,144 posts

200 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Jazoli said:
They'll be fine, until you use them in the dry, they get hot, the tread blocks lose their edge then the next time you use them in the wet you'll be all over the shop smile
Oh.
That could make it interesting, the bike shop that fitted them said 'see you next week' as I was loading it on to a trailer, that could be why.

I sort of presumed (convinced myself) that as road temps would be low during winter that they wouldn't over heat. I would be using it late afternoon, early morning when air temp will be about 10C or less (especially mornings, maybe 4C).

We shall see, as I said they are on now.

Mastodon2

13,826 posts

166 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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You've done yourself out of a few quid there, instead of using wets, you could have used sport touring tyres that would have worked better for what you want, and lasted much, much longer to boot. Oh well, live and learn.

gwm

2,390 posts

145 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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NNK said:
I would be using it late afternoon, early morning when air temp will be about 10C or less (especially mornings, maybe 4C).
What?! I'd ride in those temps (and have) on fast road tyres on a sports bike! 10 degrees...!


Esceptico

7,538 posts

110 months

Sunday 31st May 2015
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gwm said:
NNK said:
I would be using it late afternoon, early morning when air temp will be about 10C or less (especially mornings, maybe 4C).
What?! I'd ride in those temps (and have) on fast road tyres on a sports bike! 10 degrees...!
10 degrees is almost beach weather in the UK!

NNK

Original Poster:

1,144 posts

200 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Well I'm liking them !
Used bike a couple of times this week, wet, cold mornings and they are great.
As predicted I don't think they are going to last very long but I don't mind.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

178 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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And once again a Michelin Pilot Road 4 would've been a better choice. The tread pattern you've chosen is old school as well. Here is a modern wet and a PR4 to compare. Pretty similar? One will last thousands of miles, one will last matter of days. Both will cost roughly the same amd perform roughly the same to start with. The Michelin will be much better a week in, as the wet will be in pieces by then.





gwm

2,390 posts

145 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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NNK said:
Well I'm liking them !
Used bike a couple of times this week, wet, cold mornings and they are great.
As predicted I don't think they are going to last very long but I don't mind.
Mind and come back to tell us how many miles you get before they are completely shagged.