BMW HP2 Sport prices gone mad !
Discussion
Prof Prolapse said:
The problem for me with stuff like this, is that it would stop me enjoying riding it.
I really like these, and although £18,000 is a lot of money to me, that isn't what would stop me buying bikes like it, the problem for me is that with an appreciating value vehicle, every time I took it out I'd be like "oh god I must sort that stone chip" or "I must get home an detail it immediately", or "how much would it cost me in depreciation if I took it into mainland Europe?".
It's not just the potential loss of thousands for simply using the damned thing, I'd be hyper aware all the time that I had something special that must be looked after. It fuels a neuroses that I see in a lot of owners of "special" vehicles. I understand why, but it seems to mean they spend so more time polishing and reading than anything else. Personally I just can't enjoy that ownership proposition, to me things are made to be used.
That to me is the biggest tragedy when prices go up like this, it's that loss of the bike from usable circulation. Because I suspect many are like me and, beyond money, would feel a sense of obligation to wrap it up in cotton wool. Which isn't the point of a motorcycle in my opinion, which I appreciate no-one asked for.
You can't take money (the potentially appreciable asset makes) with you.I really like these, and although £18,000 is a lot of money to me, that isn't what would stop me buying bikes like it, the problem for me is that with an appreciating value vehicle, every time I took it out I'd be like "oh god I must sort that stone chip" or "I must get home an detail it immediately", or "how much would it cost me in depreciation if I took it into mainland Europe?".
It's not just the potential loss of thousands for simply using the damned thing, I'd be hyper aware all the time that I had something special that must be looked after. It fuels a neuroses that I see in a lot of owners of "special" vehicles. I understand why, but it seems to mean they spend so more time polishing and reading than anything else. Personally I just can't enjoy that ownership proposition, to me things are made to be used.
That to me is the biggest tragedy when prices go up like this, it's that loss of the bike from usable circulation. Because I suspect many are like me and, beyond money, would feel a sense of obligation to wrap it up in cotton wool. Which isn't the point of a motorcycle in my opinion, which I appreciate no-one asked for.
Life is for living.
vonhosen said:
You can't take money (the potentially appreciable asset makes) with you.
Life is for living.
Unfortunately cliches do little to resolve the fact that is how the vast majority of owners treat vehicles like this in this situation.Life is for living.
As I also said, it isn't just the money. When you feel you own something special, most aren't so keen to hammer nails with it all day.
I agree though, which is why I seldom form emotional attachments to vehicles. They're to be used.
Prof Prolapse said:
The problem for me with stuff like this, is that it would stop me enjoying riding it.
That to me is the biggest tragedy when prices go up like this, it's that loss of the bike from usable circulation. Because I suspect many are like me and, beyond money, would feel a sense of obligation to wrap it up in cotton wool. Which isn't the point of a motorcycle in my opinion, which I appreciate no-one asked for.
That is exactly how I feel about my little rs250 mk2, Its a lowly 3rd of the value of the bmw mentioned but its got me pondering on selling the thing, I originally stuck 2000 miles on it in the 1st year and enjoyed every mile, Then the curse you mentioned above struck me That to me is the biggest tragedy when prices go up like this, it's that loss of the bike from usable circulation. Because I suspect many are like me and, beyond money, would feel a sense of obligation to wrap it up in cotton wool. Which isn't the point of a motorcycle in my opinion, which I appreciate no-one asked for.
.I honestly cannot see me using it this year so it will sit in the garage like last year collecting dust. Your also spot on with regards to value, its not an expensive bike but I feel obliged to be very protective of it and that's something I cant be bothered with anymore .
Prof Prolapse said:
The problem for me with stuff like this, is that it would stop me enjoying riding it.
I really like these, and although £18,000 is a lot of money to me, that isn't what would stop me buying bikes like it, the problem for me is that with an appreciating value vehicle, every time I took it out I'd be like "oh god I must sort that stone chip" or "I must get home an detail it immediately", or "how much would it cost me in depreciation if I took it into mainland Europe?".
It's not just the potential loss of thousands for simply using the damned thing, I'd be hyper aware all the time that I had something special that must be looked after. It fuels a neuroses that I see in a lot of owners of "special" vehicles. I understand why, but it seems to mean they spend so more time polishing and reading than anything else. Personally I just can't enjoy that ownership proposition, to me things are made to be used.
That to me is the biggest tragedy when prices go up like this, it's that loss of the bike from usable circulation. Because I suspect many are like me and, beyond money, would feel a sense of obligation to wrap it up in cotton wool. Which isn't the point of a motorcycle in my opinion, which I appreciate no-one asked for.
Well said and I strongly agree, its the reason I have just retired (for now) my 999R Fila rep as its one of just 200 (I believe) originally built by Ducati in 2004 with full CF bodywork and a numbered plaque on the top yoke, the bike has been my track bike the last few years and has been all over Europe, trouble is it has doubled in value from when I purchased and I constantly worry about the damage I might do to it, not because of its value, but because its almost irreplaceable and I'd hate to destroy it ....I really like these, and although £18,000 is a lot of money to me, that isn't what would stop me buying bikes like it, the problem for me is that with an appreciating value vehicle, every time I took it out I'd be like "oh god I must sort that stone chip" or "I must get home an detail it immediately", or "how much would it cost me in depreciation if I took it into mainland Europe?".
It's not just the potential loss of thousands for simply using the damned thing, I'd be hyper aware all the time that I had something special that must be looked after. It fuels a neuroses that I see in a lot of owners of "special" vehicles. I understand why, but it seems to mean they spend so more time polishing and reading than anything else. Personally I just can't enjoy that ownership proposition, to me things are made to be used.
That to me is the biggest tragedy when prices go up like this, it's that loss of the bike from usable circulation. Because I suspect many are like me and, beyond money, would feel a sense of obligation to wrap it up in cotton wool. Which isn't the point of a motorcycle in my opinion, which I appreciate no-one asked for.
Prof Prolapse said:
vonhosen said:
You can't take money (the potentially appreciable asset makes) with you.
Life is for living.
Unfortunately cliches do little to resolve the fact that is how the vast majority of owners treat vehicles like this in this situation.Life is for living.
As I also said, it isn't just the money. When you feel you own something special, most aren't so keen to hammer nails with it all day.
I agree though, which is why I seldom form emotional attachments to vehicles. They're to be used.
I like to keep mine in as good a condition as possible, I do derive pleasure from it being so, but it never takes over from the pleasure of use & I wouldn't put off use to protect that condition.
Seeing a vehicle in excellent (not pristine) condition that is used regularly gives far more pleasure than a bubble wrapped item of greater value in merely monetary terms.
Motoline had one in stock when I went in the other day. Looks to have been ridden too.
https://motoline.uk/stock/2009-bmw-hp2-sport/
https://motoline.uk/stock/2009-bmw-hp2-sport/
whatleytom said:
Motoline had one in stock when I went in the other day. Looks to have been ridden too.
https://motoline.uk/stock/2009-bmw-hp2-sport/
That was on sale at Bahnstomers Alton for a fair few months, had a good look at it but seemed well used for the money they were after and he wasnt willing to drop the price.https://motoline.uk/stock/2009-bmw-hp2-sport/
Around 15K seems to be about right at the moment. For a while 18K was being asked by dealers although I don’t know if they sold at that price. I suspect not as advertised prices have dropped.
For collectors there are bikes with very low miles for 20K plus, but what a shame not to ride them!
For collectors there are bikes with very low miles for 20K plus, but what a shame not to ride them!
Unbusy said:
Around 15K seems to be about right at the moment. For a while 18K was being asked by dealers although I don’t know if they sold at that price. I suspect not as advertised prices have dropped.
For collectors there are bikes with very low miles for 20K plus, but what a shame not to ride them!
Ive watched them for most of last year and they have just sat at the dealers with no reduction , low mileage ones that appear also seem to be snapped up by BMW dealers. Servicing is on the very high side , quoted £1500 with new tyres with one i looked at!!!For collectors there are bikes with very low miles for 20K plus, but what a shame not to ride them!
As with most uniique buys , you just need the one buyer.
I think people are scared to use them because of the 30k mile piston and conrod replacement, this is around £3k , its extremely expensive to keep fully serviced by BMW but without this the value drops, you spend as much in maintenance to stop you losing the same amount in bike value?
Looking good there Chipchap!
Did you change the mirrors on your last one to the S100RR mirrors? The original ones are as much use as an ashtray as I expect you know.
Ted, for a while I think private sellers were asking similar prices to dealers around a few years ago and no doubt failing to sell as they couldn’t offer any guarantee or good will like a dealer. A few non-BMW dealers are now selling for more realistic prices and one or two are moving. I don’t think the prices will drop to 10-12K in the future unless it’s very high mileage. Having said that I don’t predict any rises.
I thought the 30K biggy service was to cover mostly con- rod stretch from track use. For normal road use it probably isn’t needed. Some guys in the States have done big mileage on their bikes and I don’t recall them having the engine refreshed. I will ask them.
I self service mine for the basic stuff. I’m not bothered about how that will affect the future value as it’s staying with me. Not as pretty as Italian bikes like the Agusta or Panagale but it makes me turn around and look as I walk away, no where near as fast as any litre sport bike, not so practical as a tourer, but for a fan of the old boxer engine and paralever front end it’s just about perfect. Puts a huge smile across my mug every time I ride it and that’s enough for me!
Did you change the mirrors on your last one to the S100RR mirrors? The original ones are as much use as an ashtray as I expect you know.
Ted, for a while I think private sellers were asking similar prices to dealers around a few years ago and no doubt failing to sell as they couldn’t offer any guarantee or good will like a dealer. A few non-BMW dealers are now selling for more realistic prices and one or two are moving. I don’t think the prices will drop to 10-12K in the future unless it’s very high mileage. Having said that I don’t predict any rises.
I thought the 30K biggy service was to cover mostly con- rod stretch from track use. For normal road use it probably isn’t needed. Some guys in the States have done big mileage on their bikes and I don’t recall them having the engine refreshed. I will ask them.
I self service mine for the basic stuff. I’m not bothered about how that will affect the future value as it’s staying with me. Not as pretty as Italian bikes like the Agusta or Panagale but it makes me turn around and look as I walk away, no where near as fast as any litre sport bike, not so practical as a tourer, but for a fan of the old boxer engine and paralever front end it’s just about perfect. Puts a huge smile across my mug every time I ride it and that’s enough for me!
Unbusy said:
Looking good there Chipchap!
Did you change the mirrors on your last one to the S100RR mirrors? The original ones are as much use as an ashtray as I expect you know.
Ted, for a while I think private sellers were asking similar prices to dealers around a few years ago and no doubt failing to sell as they couldn’t offer any guarantee or good will like a dealer. A few non-BMW dealers are now selling for more realistic prices and one or two are moving. I don’t think the prices will drop to 10-12K in the future unless it’s very high mileage. Having said that I don’t predict any rises.
I thought the 30K biggy service was to cover mostly con- rod stretch from track use. For normal road use it probably isn’t needed. Some guys in the States have done big mileage on their bikes and I don’t recall them having the engine refreshed. I will ask them.
I self service mine for the basic stuff. I’m not bothered about how that will affect the future value as it’s staying with me. Not as pretty as Italian bikes like the Agusta or Panagale but it makes me turn around and look as I walk away, no where near as fast as any litre sport bike, not so practical as a tourer, but for a fan of the old boxer engine and paralever front end it’s just about perfect. Puts a huge smile across my mug every time I ride it and that’s enough for me!
Agreed ref the 30k service, but its recommended and you never know how the bikes been treated etc etc.I think they check the condition of the valve train, piston, pin, rings, cam lobes, valve guides, small end pin bushing and rod bearings?Only last year privates were after same money as dealers, i really watched the market last year and was very close to purchasing one, its seems as soon as they hit over 15k miles the prices drop , a 23k went for 12k last year, but it did look used , the belly pan wasnt a pretty sight.Did you change the mirrors on your last one to the S100RR mirrors? The original ones are as much use as an ashtray as I expect you know.
Ted, for a while I think private sellers were asking similar prices to dealers around a few years ago and no doubt failing to sell as they couldn’t offer any guarantee or good will like a dealer. A few non-BMW dealers are now selling for more realistic prices and one or two are moving. I don’t think the prices will drop to 10-12K in the future unless it’s very high mileage. Having said that I don’t predict any rises.
I thought the 30K biggy service was to cover mostly con- rod stretch from track use. For normal road use it probably isn’t needed. Some guys in the States have done big mileage on their bikes and I don’t recall them having the engine refreshed. I will ask them.
I self service mine for the basic stuff. I’m not bothered about how that will affect the future value as it’s staying with me. Not as pretty as Italian bikes like the Agusta or Panagale but it makes me turn around and look as I walk away, no where near as fast as any litre sport bike, not so practical as a tourer, but for a fan of the old boxer engine and paralever front end it’s just about perfect. Puts a huge smile across my mug every time I ride it and that’s enough for me!
I've kept a close eye out for the past yr as well. Possibly in a situation to buy pretty soon. Most (including some at main dealers) have not had full service history, yet still being charged at top prices. I don't mind paying 15-18k for a low ish miles and having been serviced regularly, yet some i enquired about had only had 2 services in 10yrs
You are right though, most of it comes from the feel and sound of something rare and special. In normal terms it's probably 10% better than an R1200S but by god it makes you smile!
I didn't gel with the Megamoto i had. Too tall, and once sat on, didn't feel special beyond what other similar bikes would be.
squirdan said:
theres something v cool about the HP2 Megamoto I think... but I dont really get the sport. What does it do better than an R1200RS?
anyway, bikes arent rational so its prob the wrong question
I've been lucky enough to ride/own all 3! I loved my black R1200S but it felt slower, and more cumbersome compared to the sport. Different riding position and the carbon fibre made the Sport a fantastic road bike, and was ok on track... albeit i wasn't experienced back then.anyway, bikes arent rational so its prob the wrong question
You are right though, most of it comes from the feel and sound of something rare and special. In normal terms it's probably 10% better than an R1200S but by god it makes you smile!
I didn't gel with the Megamoto i had. Too tall, and once sat on, didn't feel special beyond what other similar bikes would be.
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