S1000rr run 200 profile rear?

[lengster]

as per title really,I run it in slick mode but have heard the different rolling radius of a 200 triggers abs or traction control? I'm struggling to find good Metz k2 scrubs but can source 200's easily.

[bass gt3]

If the system is calibrated for a 190, and you can't recalibrate, I'd be careful. The larger rolling circumference of the 200 may cause the ABS and TC problems.

[LoonR1]

I run 200 on the road on the HP4 which is what the bike came with and I use 200 on the trackbike without any adverse reaction as far as I'm aware.

Do you run slick on the road? If so,why?

[bass gt3]

Si,

I know you're a complete numptyfart when it comes to bike tech but do you have and use the logger on either of your S1k's?? Would be interesting to see the data with a 200 tyre vs a 190.
And is there a calibration procedure to be followed when you fit a tyre??

[LoonR1]

bass gt3 said:

Si,

I know you're a complete numptyfart when it comes to bike tech but do you have and use the logger on either of your S1k's?? Would be interesting to see the data with a 200 tyre vs a 190.
And is there a calibration procedure to be followed when you fit a tyre??

Hahahaha, you've completely lost me. I just get a tyre fitted, stick it on the bike and away I go. No logger, not least as I wouldn't know how to read the output anyway. I don't think there's any calibration needed though, as the rear is just a rear tyre, it doesn't have any electronic aids attached to it AFAIK.

[bass gt3]

LoonR1 said:

bass gt3 said:

Si,

I know you're a complete numptyfart when it comes to bike tech but do you have and use the logger on either of your S1k's?? Would be interesting to see the data with a 200 tyre vs a 190.
And is there a calibration procedure to be followed when you fit a tyre??

Hahahaha, you've completely lost me. I just get a tyre fitted, stick it on the bike and away I go. No logger, not least as I wouldn't know how to read the output anyway. I don't think there's any calibration needed though, as the rear is just a rear tyre, it doesn't have any electronic aids attached to it AFAIK.

it might be self calibrating then, which should solve the OP's original question.
Maybe have a look at fitting a logger, like the Aim Solo DL.
If you want to look at whereto improve your riding, or start taking on specific objectives and measuring the outcomes it's invaluable. See if your corner entry speeds are consistent, when you're getting on the throttle and how well.
I think Neil uses one as well, and mine helped knock 5 seconds a lap off at Phakisa and showed where I can get another 4 to 5!!
Obviously knowing it and doing it are different things but it's good to have a clear objective and be able to determine the results rather than using a flat lap time as a yard stick.

[hebegb]

Be wary of confusing rolling radius ( primarily dictated by tyre height) with width..
The 200s come in 60 and 55height, 55 being the same as the 190 standards...
Stick any on and ride it- most of use any, including the 195 /65 in the dunlops, if you can tell any significant difference to the the detriment of making forward progress ,between any of these, apart from compound preferences ,you will be going waay better than anyone on here...

Edit : meant to finish with : will not make any noticeable difference to TC or abs in use..

Edited by hebegb on Sunday 31st May 19:10

[LoonR1]

bass gt3 said:

it might be self calibrating then, which should solve the OP's original question.
Maybe have a look at fitting a logger, like the Aim Solo DL.
If you want to look at whereto improve your riding, or start taking on specific objectives and measuring the outcomes it's invaluable. See if your corner entry speeds are consistent, when you're getting on the throttle and how well.
I think Neil uses one as well, and mine helped knock 5 seconds a lap off at Phakisa and showed where I can get another 4 to 5!!
Obviously knowing it and doing it are different things but it's good to have a clear objective and be able to determine the results rather than using a flat lap time as a yard stick.

Too pricey for me for what is a hobby that I'm getting a bit too giddy about. If I could find 10 secs at OP then I'd be an SS1000 rider with ease (never going to happen) and probably quicker than Jenny Tinmouth and a few others at the back end of BSB.

[bass gt3]

LoonR1 said:

Too pricey for me for what is a hobby that I'm getting a bit too giddy about. If I could find 10 secs at OP then I'd be an SS1000 rider with ease (never going to happen) and probably quicker than Jenny Tinmouth and a few others at the back end of BSB.

Not pricey at all. 400 quid and it'll log of all the bikes data over the CAN bus.
But invaluable for improvement and obtaining real gains. Plus to can transfer it in moments between bikes.
Knowing where the time is and getting it are two very different things
But you can't get it of you don't know it

[LoonR1]

bass gt3 said:

Not pricey at all. 400 quid and it'll log of all the bikes data over the CAN bus.
But invaluable for improvement and obtaining real gains. Plus to can transfer it in moments between bikes.
Knowing where the time is and getting it are two very different things
But you can't get it of you don't know it

I've had a look at the data logging ones are £600+, the others are £3-400 but are lap timers only. Either way, I'm not chucking any more money at bike stuff this year, after the traumas I've had with it.

hebegb said:

Be wary of confusing rolling radius ( primarily dictated by tyre height) with width..
The 200s come in 60 and 55height, 55 being the same as the 190 standards...
Stick any on and ride it- most of use any, including the 195 /65 in the dunlops, if you can tell any significant difference to the the detriment of making forward progress ,between any of these, apart from compound preferences ,you will be going waay better than anyone on here...

Edit : meant to finish with : will not make any noticeable difference to TC or abs in use..

Edited by hebegb on Sunday 31st May 19:10

Thought so. I'm nowhere near good enough to notice any difference.

[bigmadjohn]

Ive wondered the same thing with my 2010. A lot of people have told me that there will be no adverse effects using a 200/55 rather than a 190/55, but these people were trying to sell me tyres. I know on the 2012+ models they can take either a 190/55 or 200/55 but Im not sure of the pre 2012 models. Im after a 200/55 in any condition just to run the bike down the road and see what happens with TC. If you get an answer either way could you post on here as 190/55 scrubs are pretty much non existent since everyone moved to 200/55's

[hebegb]

bigmadjohn said:

Ive wondered the same thing with my 2010. A lot of people have told me that there will be no adverse effects using a 200/55 rather than a 190/55, but these people were trying to sell me tyres. I know on the 2012+ models they can take either a 190/55 or 200/55 but Im not sure of the pre 2012 models. Im after a 200/55 in any condition just to run the bike down the road and see what happens with TC. If you get an answer either way could you post on here as 190/55 scrubs are pretty much non existent since everyone moved to 200/55's

"John" ? any year model, source a rear, stick it on and just get on and ride it without thinking about it - trust me, apart from what goes on of your own mind's making, you will have no perceptible feeling of change, certainly none detrimentally... If , I'm wrong, take tyre off , PM me and I'll buy it for what you gave for it , if you get the picture .... no real risk involved ...
I know loads of people who use them always ..enjoy

[bass gt3]

You'll only see what happens with the TC at a decent lean angle. Riding upright will have no effect whatsoever.
As Graham says, it's a function of rolling radius at lean that the critical factor.

[LoonR1]

My track S1000RR is a 2010 and I've been running 200s for a couple of years now. There's no difference at all, if anything the 200s are easier to get hold of.

[bigmadjohn]

Loon

Does yours have standard TC? If so Ill get some 200 scrubs and give it a go. Im looking at getting a s1000rr track bike sometime this year to replace my ZX6r so its good to know for the future.

Thanks alot

[LoonR1]

Yep it's a standard 2010 S1000RR Motorsport with ABS, TC and quickshifter. All are running as standard too. Never had any issues with any of those with the wider tyres.

[bigmadjohn]

Cheers Loon & Hebegb

Never spoken to anyone whos has ran a 200 and even the forums come up blank on the subject. Just wanted to confirm that someone had tried one and they work before I forked out for them.

Thanks a lot
John

[lengster]

Thanks guys,mixed opinion but those that have tried em say no problem 👍 im hoping to grab a set tonight and give em a whirl asap