Picked up my 1299 today. I'm still speechless.

Picked up my 1299 today. I'm still speechless.

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StuB

6,695 posts

239 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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chillo said:
Question for fellow 1299 owners!
How are you find finding the power delivery above 10k rpm?!

Notice on mine it seems reluctant to hit the limiter in 5th/6th
On the paddock stand??? Not recommended wink

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Sunday 26th July 2015
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chillo said:
Notice on mine it seems reluctant to hit the limiter in 5th/6th
Is that because they have pistons the size of dustbins.

chillo

724 posts

222 months

Monday 27th July 2015
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StuB said:
On the paddock stand??? Not recommended wink
Paddock stand is ok as I have it strapped down wink

StuB

6,695 posts

239 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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So hopefully a few of you lucky lucky boys & girls have had time to get over the 'honeymoon' period now. (I have my eye wandering towards the none S model at the mo).

Been offered a none too pisstakey part exchange on my Black Yellow K5 GSXR 1000 (c£4k if anyone wants a 20.5k miles very tidy nice example).

What say ye BBDucatisti?

Insurance, Running & Service costs?

Dealer support?

Reliability/all round use-ability?

Tyre life & tank range?

Fun factor after the newness has gone away?

Fit & finish of the bike after a few k miles??

Anyone done any long distance work feedback (300-400 miles plus in a day)??

Must have mods??

I seem to have some cash burning a hole and want to sort it out before the missus does, so it's a race against time..... you'll all know the urgency of some very clear and accurate feedback.

bass gt3

10,193 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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StuB said:
So hopefully a few of you lucky lucky boys & girls have had time to get over the 'honeymoon' period now. (I have my eye wandering towards the none S model at the mo).

Been offered a none too pisstakey part exchange on my Black Yellow K5 GSXR 1000 (c£4k if anyone wants a 20.5k miles very tidy nice example).

What say ye BBDucatisti?

Insurance, Running & Service costs?

Dealer support?

Reliability/all round use-ability?

Tyre life & tank range?

Fun factor after the newness has gone away?

Fit & finish of the bike after a few k miles??

Anyone done any long distance work feedback (300-400 miles plus in a day)??

Must have mods??

I seem to have some cash burning a hole and want to sort it out before the missus does, so it's a race against time..... you'll all know the urgency of some very clear and accurate feedback.
Judging by friends who have their new 1299's as race bikes, it's a quantum leap from the 1199 in every respect.
Power, especially midrange is astounding. Electronics seem good with a couple of caveats. Mainly there seems to be a big problem if you alter the final drive ratio to outside the Ducati 'window" Basically the bike can't calibrate and all kinds of mad things happen.
Reliability is going to have to be seen. Going by the 1199 I know of only 2 1199's that ate their engines, something every 916-1198 would eventually do, regardless of mileage or useage.
dealer support and running costs ect I can't say but overall the fit and finish seems very good.
Heat from the rear pipe can be an issue for some but the ergo's are night and day compared to the older bikes. Much wider bars, more open riding position but rock hard seat apparently.
And re the base model, apparently Marzocchi have pulled out of the bike suspension market so whether that has an effect on servicing or parts for the forks it might be worth asking.

StuB

6,695 posts

239 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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bass gt3 said:
Judging by friends who have their new 1299's as race bikes, it's a quantum leap from the 1199 in every respect.
Power, especially midrange is astounding. Electronics seem good with a couple of caveats. Mainly there seems to be a big problem if you alter the final drive ratio to outside the Ducati 'window" Basically the bike can't calibrate and all kinds of mad things happen.
Reliability is going to have to be seen. Going by the 1199 I know of only 2 1199's that ate their engines, something every 916-1198 would eventually do, regardless of mileage or useage.
dealer support and running costs ect I can't say but overall the fit and finish seems very good.
Heat from the rear pipe can be an issue for some but the ergo's are night and day compared to the older bikes. Much wider bars, more open riding position but rock hard seat apparently.
And re the base model, apparently Marzocchi have pulled out of the bike suspension market so whether that has an effect on servicing or parts for the forks it might be worth asking.
Cheers Steve. I was thinking Ohlins would have something tasty & conventional on the market.

bass gt3

10,193 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th July 2015
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StuB said:
Cheers Steve. I was thinking Ohlins would have something tasty & conventional on the market.
The obvious choice would be some Ohlins/K Tech/Mupo cartridges/valve kits etc if that's what's needed. Going by a friends base 1199 the suspension on that was pretty woeful. But by comparison, a couple of mates have the S model with the funky suspension and for race use they're not liking it. You can set the suspension into fixed mode but that sort of defeats to point.
But for road use, if that's what you're thinking, the premium for the S with its Ohlins electronic suspension and lighter wheels and later resale value might be the better option in the long run?

chillo

724 posts

222 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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Thought a bit of an update needed about my 1299s now I have thrashed it over 3k miles.
It wheelies off the power in 4th and every gear over crests and bumps, I have dwc turned off so have to back it off when pressing on to stop it looping the loop etc.
Up/down qs is a game changer as is the semi active leccy suspension! Love it! You can feel the suspension electrics working when cranked over etc as a faint 'thrum' through the bars. Had a few inertia sensor errors when wheelying for any serious distance (note: for the armchair police this was not on uk roads but on eu Autobahn during a summer ring trip etc)
This switched off leccy suspension and all rider aids apart from the qs, Really missed the leccy suspension when this happened. It really does work fantastic on the road (bumpy roads in particular) and my best analogy is its like the extra plushness of Ohlins over normal suspension, the same again over Ohlins! Very subtle but very good!
The spring in the exhaust valve is not strong enough to hold it open, symptoms are reluctance to rev out above 9.5k in 5th & 6th. Fix is to disconnect the valve servo power and lock wire the valve open. Wonder how many tests this has been occurring resulting in scoring it down on top speed etc?!
Latest generation Racetec RR tyres are mega, although they don't last long! Running a k1 front with 29psi cold and k3 rear with 30 cold on the road, about 3-4psi lower on track. You can feel the carcass flex when cold but it comes too when warmed. Lost feel when pushing the front when I tried higher normal road pressures, works for me at what seems like a lower pressure. Surprised at how much difference just a couple of psi makes. Used a K2 rear which was great but too soft for track day hero/fast road antics. K3 more than good enough. Currently 2x K3 & 1x K2 rears to 1x K1 front.

Done a few track evenings at Cadwell last one on Monday 17th August (evening session) and got a bit of footage at the time with my £38 sj6000 no pro copy
No quick times as this is the 4th and last session of the evening, my racetec k2 rear was shredded as this was its 2nd track day and it's also done some road miles too! (Was doing high 1.30s when it was new)
Posting this video as it chasing my mate on a Beemer s1000 who is quick, unfortunately the camera had dropped a bit so not quite the perfect view.
Was having a few issues getting the power down on corner exit and traction was earning its keep! Was making bit of it up on corner entry. Few riders out there going steady so never got a full clear lap.
Suspension set to fixed when on track.
http://youtu.be/Ee2ubA-oOqs



flat out on the back straight at Cadwell

Edited by chillo on Monday 28th September 19:44

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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chillo said:
Thought a bit of an update needed about my 1299s now I have thrashed it over 3k miles.
It wheelies off the power in 4th and every gear over crests and bumps, I have dwc turned off so have to back it off when pressing on to stop it looping the loop etc.
Up/down qs is a game changer as is the semi active leccy suspension! Love it! You can feel the suspension electrics working when cranked over etc as a faint 'thrum' through the bars. Had a few inertia sensor errors when wheelying for any serious distance (note: for the armchair police this was not on uk roads but on eu Autobahn during a summer ring trip etc)
This switched off leccy suspension and all rider aids apart from the qs, Really missed the leccy suspension when this happened. It really does work fantastic on the road (bumpy roads in particular) and my best analogy is its like the extra plushness of Ohlins over normal suspension, the same again over Ohlins! Very subtle but very good!
The spring in the exhaust valve is not strong enough to hold it open, symptoms are reluctance to rev out above 9.5k in 5th & 6th. Fix is to disconnect the valve servo power and lock wire the valve open. Wonder how many tests this has been occurring resulting in scoring it down on top speed etc?!
Latest generation Racetec RR tyres are mega, although they don't last long! Running a k1 front with 29psi cold and k3 rear with 30 cold on the road, about 3-4psi lower on track. You can feel the carcass flex when cold but it comes too when warmed. Lost feel when pushing the front when I tried higher normal road pressures, works for me at what seems like a lower pressure. Surprised at how much difference just a couple of psi makes. Used a K2 rear which was great but too soft for track day hero/fast road antics. K3 more than good enough. Currently 2x K3 & 1x K2 rears to 1x K1 front.

Done a few track evenings at Cadwell last one on Monday 17th August (evening session) and got a bit of footage at the time with my £38 sj6000 no pro copy
No quick times as this is the 4th and last session of the evening, my racetec k2 rear was shredded as this was its 2nd track day and it's also done some road miles too! (Was doing high 1.30s when it was new)
Posting this video as it chasing my mate on a Beemer s1000 who is quick, unfortunately the camera had dropped a bit so not quite the perfect view.
Was having a few issues getting the power down on corner exit and traction was earning its keep! Was making bit of it up on corner entry. Few riders out there going steady so never got a full clear lap.
Suspension set to fixed when on track.
http://youtu.be/Ee2ubA-oOqs



flat out on the back straight at Cadwell

Edited by chillo on Monday 28th September 19:44
fk me, that's some good going there pal.

Steve Bass

10,193 posts

233 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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chillo said:
Latest generation Racetec RR tyres are mega, although they don't last long! Running a k1 front with 29psi cold and k3 rear with 30 cold on the road, about 3-4psi lower on track. You can feel the carcass flex when cold but it comes too when warmed. Lost feel when pushing the front when I tried higher normal road pressures, works for me at what seems like a lower pressure. Surprised at how much difference just a couple of psi makes. Used a K2 rear which was great but too soft for track day hero/fast road antics. K3 more than good enough. Currently 2x K3 & 1x K2 rears to 1x K1 front.
Not sure running a K1 on the road is the best idea, especially paired with a K3 rear. You'd be far better off on a K3 front & rear for road and then use K1/2 combos for track. Road use won't create the friction required to keep the heat in a K1,which you've kind of alluded to.

gwm

2,390 posts

144 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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Sweet. You really seemed to have the pull out the corners and seemed to be cruising past plenty folk. thumbup

The first lap, chicane before mountain, the chirping - is that one of your wheels temporarily locking up?

hebegb

1,523 posts

147 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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H
Biker's Nemesis said:
chillo said:
Thought a bit of an update needed about my 1299s now I have thrashed it over 3k miles.
It wheelies off the power in 4th and every gear over crests and bumps, I have dwc turned off so have to back it off when pressing on to stop it looping the loop etc.
Up/down qs is a game changer as is the semi active leccy suspension! Love it! You can feel the suspension electrics working when cranked over etc as a faint 'thrum' through the bars. Had a few inertia sensor errors when wheelying for any serious distance (note: for the armchair police this was not on uk roads but on eu Autobahn during a summer ring trip etc)
This switched off leccy suspension and all rider aids apart from the qs, Really missed the leccy suspension when this happened. It really does work fantastic on the road (bumpy roads in particular) and my best analogy is its like the extra plushness of Ohlins over normal suspension, the same again over Ohlins! Very subtle but very good!
The spring in the exhaust valve is not strong enough to hold it open, symptoms are reluctance to rev out above 9.5k in 5th & 6th. Fix is to disconnect the valve servo power and lock wire the valve open. Wonder how many tests this has been occurring resulting in scoring it down on top speed etc?!
Latest generation Racetec RR tyres are mega, although they don't last long! Running a k1 front with 29psi cold and k3 rear with 30 cold on the road, about 3-4psi lower on track. You can feel the carcass flex when cold but it comes too when warmed. Lost feel when pushing the front when I tried higher normal road pressures, works for me at what seems like a lower pressure. Surprised at how much difference just a couple of psi makes. Used a K2 rear which was great but too soft for track day hero/fast road antics. K3 more than good enough. Currently 2x K3 & 1x K2 rears to 1x K1 front.

Done a few track evenings at Cadwell last one on Monday 17th August (evening session) and got a bit of footage at the time with my £38 sj6000 no pro copy
No quick times as this is the 4th and last session of the evening, my racetec k2 rear was shredded as this was its 2nd track day and it's also done some road miles too! (Was doing high 1.30s when it was new)
Posting this video as it chasing my mate on a Beemer s1000 who is quick, unfortunately the camera had dropped a bit so not quite the perfect view.
Was having a few issues getting the power down on corner exit and traction was earning its keep! Was making bit of it up on corner entry. Few riders out there going steady so never got a full clear lap.
Suspension set to fixed when on track.
http://youtu.be/Ee2ubA-oOqs



flat out on the back straight at Cadwell

Edited by chillo on Monday 28th September 19:44
fk me, that's some good going there pal.
Haha!! The non riding boys in the pub will be impressed with those numbers ....just not these boys ...i ..spline problem on front sprocket, maybe ...? smile

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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hebegb said:
H
Biker's Nemesis said:
chillo said:
Thought a bit of an update needed about my 1299s now I have thrashed it over 3k miles.
It wheelies off the power in 4th and every gear over crests and bumps, I have dwc turned off so have to back it off when pressing on to stop it looping the loop etc.
Up/down qs is a game changer as is the semi active leccy suspension! Love it! You can feel the suspension electrics working when cranked over etc as a faint 'thrum' through the bars. Had a few inertia sensor errors when wheelying for any serious distance (note: for the armchair police this was not on uk roads but on eu Autobahn during a summer ring trip etc)
This switched off leccy suspension and all rider aids apart from the qs, Really missed the leccy suspension when this happened. It really does work fantastic on the road (bumpy roads in particular) and my best analogy is its like the extra plushness of Ohlins over normal suspension, the same again over Ohlins! Very subtle but very good!
The spring in the exhaust valve is not strong enough to hold it open, symptoms are reluctance to rev out above 9.5k in 5th & 6th. Fix is to disconnect the valve servo power and lock wire the valve open. Wonder how many tests this has been occurring resulting in scoring it down on top speed etc?!
Latest generation Racetec RR tyres are mega, although they don't last long! Running a k1 front with 29psi cold and k3 rear with 30 cold on the road, about 3-4psi lower on track. You can feel the carcass flex when cold but it comes too when warmed. Lost feel when pushing the front when I tried higher normal road pressures, works for me at what seems like a lower pressure. Surprised at how much difference just a couple of psi makes. Used a K2 rear which was great but too soft for track day hero/fast road antics. K3 more than good enough. Currently 2x K3 & 1x K2 rears to 1x K1 front.

Done a few track evenings at Cadwell last one on Monday 17th August (evening session) and got a bit of footage at the time with my £38 sj6000 no pro copy
No quick times as this is the 4th and last session of the evening, my racetec k2 rear was shredded as this was its 2nd track day and it's also done some road miles too! (Was doing high 1.30s when it was new)
Posting this video as it chasing my mate on a Beemer s1000 who is quick, unfortunately the camera had dropped a bit so not quite the perfect view.
Was having a few issues getting the power down on corner exit and traction was earning its keep! Was making bit of it up on corner entry. Few riders out there going steady so never got a full clear lap.
Suspension set to fixed when on track.
http://youtu.be/Ee2ubA-oOqs



flat out on the back straight at Cadwell

Edited by chillo on Monday 28th September 19:44
fk me, that's some good going there pal.
Haha!! The non riding boys in the pub will be impressed with those numbers ....just not these boys ...i ..spline problem on front sprocket, maybe ...? smile
I reckon Chillio is John Hopkins

chillo

724 posts

222 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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Biker's Nemesis said:
I reckon Chillio is John Hopkins
In my spare time laugh

You all know bike speedos are 109% accurate right? smile

hebegb

1,523 posts

147 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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chillo said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
I reckon Chillio is John Hopkins
In my spare time laugh

You all know bike speedos are 109% accurate right? smile

Wrong, BN , it's Anthony to you , youngster .....!

Steve Bass

10,193 posts

233 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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hebegb said:
Haha!! The non riding boys in the pub will be impressed with those numbers ....just not these boys ...i ..spline problem on front sprocket, maybe ...? smile
By my reckoning/ gearing sheets, 9300 in 6th on the long standard gearing should be about 260kph or about 161 in old money.

Something looks a little out to be reading 175mph at 9300 rpm.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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He's posted this to show me what a "Goon" I am by challenging his comments about police hiding a speed camera in a tractor. Good to see that he's considerably faster on his standard 1299S than BSB riders are on their full fat £200k bikes

He's as big a dreamer as our old friend Castrol Craig and his Walter Mitty race wins.

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
He's posted this to show me what a "Goon" I am by challenging his comments about police hiding a speed camera in a tractor. Good to see that he's considerably faster on his standard 1299S than BSB riders are on their full fat £200k bikes

He's as big a dreamer as our old friend Castrol Craig and his Walter Mitty race wins.
Loon, don't beat about the bush and just say whats on your mind FFS.

lengster

215 posts

159 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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There's little wonder I've not been back on here since I asked about turning the anti wheelie ste off the beemer,you boys own the forum your welcome to it,as chillo said its just a vid at the end of a track session,he's clearly somehow fudged the speedo reading just to leave himself open to scrutiny of the laptop warriors on here! It's a road bike and that's what the speedo read END OF! Clearly it's not 100% accurate but who said speedos are! My beeper reads similar on a decent clear lap if I dare look!

Biker's Nemesis

38,651 posts

208 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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lengster said:
There's little wonder I've not been back on here since I asked about turning the anti wheelie ste off the beemer,you boys own the forum your welcome to it,as chillo said its just a vid at the end of a track session,he's clearly somehow fudged the speedo reading just to leave himself open to scrutiny of the laptop warriors on here! It's a road bike and that's what the speedo read END OF! Clearly it's not 100% accurate but who said speedos are! My beeper reads similar on a decent clear lap if I dare look!
Anti wheelie?

Who said what then?