Picked up my 1299 today. I'm still speechless.

[lengster]

We learned after this track session that we should of lowered tyres pressures even further,they feel horrible cold,the front feels like its gonna tuck but after a few warm up laps there good! I prefer k2 rear on the s1000rr it gets a bit harder time with the different power delivery of the inline 4 motor,to be fair though it could well just be all in my head 😂

[lengster]

We learned after this track session that we should of lowered tyres pressures even further,they feel horrible cold,the front feels like its gonna tuck but after a few warm up laps there good! I prefer k2 rear on the s1000rr it gets a bit harder time with the different power delivery of the inline 4 motor,to be fair though it could well just be all in my head 😂

[chillo]

hebegb said:

Crikey - I just thought I would have a little jibe with the OP re. the speedo reading /flat out/ BSB speed trap relationship - all tongue in cheek and not for a moment to be taken seriously as it is all just bks, evidently - chill out , like Chillo, kick back , do yourself an MTB style Doobie and ask away ( re. the DTC - encompassing anti-wheelie on the BM ) , I'm sure somebody around here knows the answer ....!

I was down the pub telling all my pub mates how I was doing 9000mph in 2nd gear over the mountain whilst passing Rossi.
Fixed my spline now

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 08:22

[Steve Bass]

lengster said:

We learned after this track session that we should of lowered tyres pressures even further,they feel horrible cold,the front feels like its gonna tuck but after a few warm up laps there good! I prefer k2 rear on the s1000rr it gets a bit harder time with the different power delivery of the inline 4 motor,to be fair though it could well just be all in my head ??

I'd suspect that you actually want to add some pressure looking at Chillos K2. From the pic it looks like a bad case of hot tear which means the tyre is under inflated. Hence why i questioned the use of a K1 front for road. if you're not using warmers the K3 front and rear would be a better choice.
And as Chillo confirmed, he's not using warmers so the tyres won't get hot enough in a session hence why they are tearing and not lasting long. Hot tread isn't the same as a hot carcass.

Just saying like

[lengster]

Mine didnt tear like that but has done on other track sessions,any tips welcome though 👍

[chillo]

Steve,
I took The pic above of the SAME tyre after its first track evening, was using same pressures as on the 2nd evening from the first pic. The wear is pretty even here with tyre being new, normally I would change the tyre here but chanced it a bit to do another track evening. I'm not saying you are wrong or I'm right but the tyres were definitely getting hot enough after a couple of laps. The tyre was extremely worn and no one wanting to go quick would use a tyre as much as that intentially.
IMHO I think it was tjust he tyre was well past its best and was shredding due to the wear. The right hand side was worn past the wear bars!
It's nice and smooth in the middle from the steady ride home in this earlier pic

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 09:01

[lengster]

Mine didnt tear like that but has done on other track sessions,any tips welcome though 👍

[StuB]

chillo said:

Steve,
I took The pic above of the SAME tyre after its first track evening, was using same pressures as on the 2nd evening from the first pic. The wear is pretty even here with tyre being new, normally I would change the tyre here but chanced it a bit to do another track evening. I'm not saying you are wrong or I'm right but the tyres were definitely getting hot enough after a couple of laps. The tyre was extremely worn and no one wanting to go quick would use a tyre as much as that intentially.
IMHO I think it was tjust he tyre was well past its best and was shredding due to the wear. The right hand side was worn past the wear bars!
It's nice and smooth in the middle from the steady ride home in this earlier pic

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 09:01

I'd agree with Steve, Chillo's 1st pic looks like hot tear.

The second looks like it's had a right beasting and doesn't look too bad. How many laps is this from?

Heard many good things about the new Metz RR, but always suspect it's those of the receiving end of an incentive

Thanks for the update on the 1299S, sounds like it's a weapon, but guessing the bills for dodgy sensors if the warranty had lapsed might get a bit scary pretty quickly.

Have you had the bike on a dyno? That speed down Park Straight is seriously RIDICULOUS if that speedo's accurate (no reason to believe it's wildly out)!

BTW, did you REALLY MEAN LOW 1m 30s at Cadwell :notworthy: or significantly sub 1m 40's? Still impressive IMHO on a road bike of any calibre.

Edited by StuB on Tuesday 29th September 11:37

[moanthebairns]

chillo said:

Steve,
I took The pic above of the SAME tyre after its first track evening, was using same pressures as on the 2nd evening from the first pic. The wear is pretty even here with tyre being new, normally I would change the tyre here but chanced it a bit to do another track evening. I'm not saying you are wrong or I'm right but the tyres were definitely getting hot enough after a couple of laps. The tyre was extremely worn and no one wanting to go quick would use a tyre as much as that intentially.
IMHO I think it was tjust he tyre was well past its best and was shredding due to the wear. The right hand side was worn past the wear bars!
It's nice and smooth in the middle from the steady ride home in this earlier pic

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 09:01

you'd change that tyre in that picture normally?

[fergus]

chillo said:

Steve Bass said:

Love the way the bike stays so stable under downshifts while leant over, very impressive

Thanks, as I said in my update post the up/down qs is fantastic and a real game changer along with the active suspension.

The downshifting q/s whilst tipping in is indeed very impressive, as is the bikes general stability. How are the brakes?

How tall are you out of interest, as I may try one of these, but think I'd be a tad cramped.... 6'5" (BN - have you had a dabble on one yet?)

[Biker's Nemesis]

fergus said:

chillo said:

Steve Bass said:

Love the way the bike stays so stable under downshifts while leant over, very impressive

Thanks, as I said in my update post the up/down qs is fantastic and a real game changer along with the active suspension.

The downshifting q/s whilst tipping in is indeed very impressive, as is the bikes general stability. How are the brakes?

How tall are you out of interest, as I may try one of these, but think I'd be a tad cramped.... 6'5" (BN - have you had a dabble on one yet?)

I have fergus.

The bars are really wide and pushed back, the bar to peg ratio is really good too for us long backs

They go like the clappers and the brakes are as you would expect

I really liked it and had a good go on it on roads I know like the back of my hand

[Reardy Mister]

chillo said:

http://youtu.be/Ee2ubA-oOqs

Faaarkin 'ell that thing is fast. Mind you, the Bmmer was motoring too. If you could corner like your mate you'd have nailed him in 2 laps

[hebegb]

chillo said:

hebegb said:

Crikey - I just thought I would have a little jibe with the OP re. the speedo reading /flat out/ BSB speed trap relationship - all tongue in cheek and not for a moment to be taken seriously as it is all just bks, evidently - chill out , like Chillo, kick back , do yourself an MTB style Doobie and ask away ( re. the DTC - encompassing anti-wheelie on the BM ) , I'm sure somebody around here knows the answer ....!

I was down the pub telling all my pub mates how I was doing 9000mph in 2nd gear over the mountain whilst passing Rossi.
Fixed my spline now

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 08:22

Haha - Good Man , I'd be doing the same - ps leaving the tyre / suspension issues to the others - looks like you're in good hands - good riding , and good fun is the main thing - always hard to convey the " spirit" of gentle fun pokery in words sometimes - glad you got it !

[RemaL]

stunning thread and missed this thread the first time. took a 1299 S out for a test ride a few weeks ago and very impressed as it was the first time on a Ducati.

A bit concerned with the catching fire bit i seen you post about.

But for now it's top of my list for bikes to look at from next spring when I am ready to change bikes.

[Steve Bass]

chillo said:

Steve,
I took The pic above of the SAME tyre after its first track evening, was using same pressures as on the 2nd evening from the first pic. The wear is pretty even here with tyre being new, normally I would change the tyre here but chanced it a bit to do another track evening. I'm not saying you are wrong or I'm right but the tyres were definitely getting hot enough after a couple of laps. The tyre was extremely worn and no one wanting to go quick would use a tyre as much as that intentially.
IMHO I think it was tjust he tyre was well past its best and was shredding due to the wear. The right hand side was worn past the wear bars!
It's nice and smooth in the middle from the steady ride home in this earlier pic

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 09:01

Remember that hot to the touch isn't the same as sufficiently hot. Sounds silly but bear with me.
if the tyre is at room/ outside temperature, going out and getting on it will heat the surface layers to the point of feeling hot to the touch. Problem is the carcass isn't as hot and the sudden heating of the outer layer causes a delaminating effect, the top rubber seperating from the carcas or lower layers if it heats up too much too quickly. This can manifest as either hot or cold tear depending on the inflation of the tyre, but the end result is the same.
Now the only thing you can do, if warmers are not an option, is to take a few extra laps and work the carcas, getting heat into it by accelerating and braking and gradually getting over on the side but without stressing it excessively without lots of hard throttle when leant over.
Regardless of how a tyre feels to the touch, patterns like that are telling you what's really happening.
Just from the pics i'd suspect the initial pressure is too low to begin with, the tyre as a whole isn't heating up sufficiently and then you're working the tyre excessively hard too early and it's then tearing due to the differential temps through the carcas layers. Remember that you have the traction control acting to limit slip and spins and from the vid it doesn't look like you're spinning up wildly, so something is off to wear tyres like that. You've already mentioned the metz RR's don't last long. maybe there's a good reason for that

Try more pressure to begin with and move to using hot pressures when you get in as a measure. Cold values are meaningless if you don't know what the hot pressure is. Sart working out how much the pressure rises cold to hot then you should be able to accurately guesstimate the cold pressure to begin with. And give a cold tyre a chance, a warmer takes an hour to heat a tyre through, be a bit more forgiving in the early stages and you'll get better life AND better grip

as a reference, here's a k2 slick coming to the end of its life (look at the depth of the side dimples) and you can see what you should be aiming for.
You can see this tyre has been driven hard on it's left side as the side is very flat looking yet no tears or untoward signs.

Edited by Steve Bass on Tuesday 29th September 12:29

[chillo]

hebegb said:

chillo said:

hebegb said:

Crikey - I just thought I would have a little jibe with the OP re. the speedo reading /flat out/ BSB speed trap relationship - all tongue in cheek and not for a moment to be taken seriously as it is all just bks, evidently - chill out , like Chillo, kick back , do yourself an MTB style Doobie and ask away ( re. the DTC - encompassing anti-wheelie on the BM ) , I'm sure somebody around here knows the answer ....!

I was down the pub telling all my pub mates how I was doing 9000mph in 2nd gear over the mountain whilst passing Rossi.
Fixed my spline now

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 08:22

Haha - Good Man , I'd be doing the same - ps leaving the tyre / suspension issues to the others - looks like you're in good hands - good riding , and good fun is the main thing - always hard to convey the " spirit" of gentle fun pokery in words sometimes - glad you got it !

back tracking level: Expert

[hebegb]

chillo said:

hebegb said:

chillo said:

hebegb said:

Crikey - I just thought I would have a little jibe with the OP re. the speedo reading /flat out/ BSB speed trap relationship - all tongue in cheek and not for a moment to be taken seriously as it is all just bks, evidently - chill out , like Chillo, kick back , do yourself an MTB style Doobie and ask away ( re. the DTC - encompassing anti-wheelie on the BM ) , I'm sure somebody around here knows the answer ....!

I was down the pub telling all my pub mates how I was doing 9000mph in 2nd gear over the mountain whilst passing Rossi.
Fixed my spline now

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 08:22

Haha - Good Man , I'd be doing the same - ps leaving the tyre / suspension issues to the others - looks like you're in good hands - good riding , and good fun is the main thing - always hard to convey the " spirit" of gentle fun pokery in words sometimes - glad you got it !

back tracking level: Expert

The original post smilie ought to have been the clue .....and I doubted that even you actually believed you were carrying astronomical speed on a Cadwell straight at a decently warm pace.... however , leave you with it...

[chillo]

StuB said:

The second looks like it's had a right beasting and doesn't look too bad. How many laps is this from?

The 2nd picture i posted was after 4 sessions (30-40 laps?)on an evening td and approx 100 road miles

StuB said:

Heard many good things about the new Metz RR, but always suspect it's those of the receiving end of an incentive

The latest gen are mega, I've heard the Pirelli are worth a second or so extra a lap but I really like the Racetecs. They defo don't last as long as the previous single compound tyres.

StuB said:

Thanks for the update on the 1299S, sounds like it's a weapon, but guessing the bills for dodgy sensors if the warranty had lapsed might get a bit scary pretty quickly.

The inertia sensor error only required a power off for 5 mins reset

StuB said:

Have you had the bike on a dyno? That speed down Park Straight is seriously RIDICULOUS if that speedo's accurate (no reason to believe it's wildly out)!

BTW, did you REALLY MEAN LOW 1m 30s at Cadwell :notworthy: or significantly sub 1m 40's? Still impressive IMHO on a road bike of any calibre.

Not had it on the dyno yet, I plan on doing this next spring after I get some front exit Termi's and the air filter. The standard air filter is VERY restrictive.
The best times I have done were when the K2 tyre was fresh and they were only high 1.30s, it was an inter/fast track evening session and there were a lot of guys going a bit steadier than me so I didnt get many clear laps unfortunately. You can see from the YouTube vid of the next TD how much traffic there was. Definitely room to get a good few seconds off with a clear session and being able to get clear track for 5-6 or more laps so I can get into a grove. TBH I'm happy just hooning around, it's a shiny couple of month old stock Ducati road bike after all!

Edited by chillo on Tuesday 29th September 16:30

[chillo]

moanthebairns said:

you'd change that tyre in that picture normally?

For doing another track day, yes. I normally just run them off on the road though.

[s3fella]

Well the 1299 was my next and probably last Superbike, as I am an old knacker. Always loved the Panigale and the 1299 is a weapon, so next year it was a no brainer.......unitl they released that limited edition retro coloured R1.

Now I need to find £37k not £22k. Arse!