New bike incoming - Triumph Daytona T595

New bike incoming - Triumph Daytona T595

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Baryonyx

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17,990 posts

158 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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What I really want to know is, will it be fast? nuts

twizellb

2,774 posts

211 months

Friday 26th June 2015
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As your first big bike, it'll be fast enough to get your attention do'nt worry about that!

Baryonyx

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17,990 posts

158 months

Monday 29th June 2015
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It looks like pickup will be this Saturday, with the insurance being sorted out tomorrow and the weekend being the big day for the Daytona. I'm very excited now. wobble

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Monday 29th June 2015
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Baryonyx said:
What I really want to know is, will it be fast? nuts
They aren't slow by any stretch of the imagination.

Baryonyx

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158 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Insurance sorted this afternoon. What a chew on that was, just trying to get to speak to someone who wanted to take my money!

Luckily, it's sorted now. £484 for a year's cover with legal and pillion provision thrown in. For a first time big bike in your mid 20's, I'm pleased with that. Now, to collect and get it home.

Mogsmex

446 posts

234 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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you'll love it, best colour Strontium is too wink

I have had mine about 13 years now I blew the engine up (my fault no oil) about 6 years ago and couldnt think of anything I would prefer so stuck a later 955i engine in it, there fantastic bikes with loads of character just stuck a new set of tyres on mine and been using it solid for the last couple of weeks...... the high level can and Triumph tune to go with it are a must (pops and farts sorted smile )

maybe they will have there day soon ? having owned mine so long I have always watched values and they have been long overlooked imho

mines literally almost as new and still only worth about a bag of frazzles and a creme egg

Please report back on how you find it after a few weeks smile


Renn Sport

2,761 posts

208 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Thats a nice bike.

Makes mine looks pretty tatty close up, but I guess thats why it was cheap. Still mine has the FSH and low milage which means it rides and handles well.




Baryonyx

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158 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Mogsmex said:
you'll love it, best colour Strontium is too wink
the high level can and Triumph tune to go with it are a must (pops and farts sorted smile )
Yes, all the material I've read advises updating the map after changing the can to make sure the bike is making peak power. One source quotes a lad as having changed his standard exhaust to a race can and found the bike making 80bhp on a dyno, which was quickly remapped to where it should have been. I gather that because there is no Lambda sensor in the exhaust, the bike can't adjust it's fuelling based on what happens after combustion, so it'll run roughly until you update the engine map.

Pops and bangs from the exhaust, are they characteristic of a bad state of tune caused by swapping the exhaust on a standard map, or does a properly fuelling, remapped T595 with a different exhaust pop and bang too?

Renn Sport

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208 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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mine pops and bangs only when comming from WOT to low revs when braking but it isn't too bad.

The weight difference in the standard can and my fuel job is quite considerable. The bike feels nimble.

I have noted a slightly flat throttle response at 3000 rpm so I think I need that new map.

Baryonyx

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17,990 posts

158 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Pickup is tomorrow now. I'm excited. I'm hoping the weather will be pleasant and when I get home I'm going whack a couple of burgers on the BBQ and chill.

Jazoli

9,086 posts

249 months

Friday 3rd July 2015
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Baryonyx said:
Pickup is tomorrow now. I'm excited. I'm hoping the weather will be pleasant and when I get home I'm going whack a couple of burgers on the BBQ and chill.
Forecast is terrible for tomorrow wink

Excited for you, there's nothing like getting your first big bike.

Baryonyx

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158 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Well, this has all come to nothing. The bike is faulty, and I'll be sending it back.

I noticed as I left Scarborough it was running hot. I thought at first that it might just not like traffic, despite being water cooled, and after getting through five minutes worth of tailbacks, I hit the open road and the bike cooled right down, maybe 1/4 reading or less on the temperature gauge. It stayed this way until I got to Gateshead on the way home, which is where the real trouble started. Stuck in traffic on the Felling Bypass, the temperature gauge soared again and steam was shooting out of the back of the bike.

I limped it home, cooling it as it went, rather than stranding it in the heat. Inspection showed that the cap had come off the coolant filler tank, there was coolant splashed around inside where it had boiled over and was dripping down onto the exhaust and swing arm.


I'm guessing, giving the temperature fluctuations and the fact it's boiled the coolant and popped the tank, that it must be a knackered head gasket? I've rang the garage to see if there was an answer machine function as they shut at 1300 hrs, I'm going to email the dealer now and outline the circumstances and see if they'll pick the bike up. I know the first thing to do is usually to give the dealer a chance to make repairs, but I think given the distance between us, they may be amenable to just taking the bike back, refunding me and fixing it in their own time, otherwise the costs of carriage could spiral.


A very disappointing end to the day.

Baryonyx

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Saturday 4th July 2015
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To lighten the mood of misery...












So, aside from the mechanical failure at the end of the day, you might want to know how the rest of the escapade went?


Getting down there took a while, as the fog was so thick that you could often scarcely see more than a car's length in front of you. I was dreading riding back in that, as there were plenty of gumps out and about with no lights on. I discussed with my brother whether or not we should head for the A1 on the way back, and he left it up to me, so I thought we'd brave the A171.

Picking the bike up in Scarborough, my brother sat on the bike before I did and remarked on how low it was at the front. I have to say, at that point I did quickly question the credibility of my plan to buy a bike, starting with an old litre bike and never having ridden a sports bike before. As I sat on it on the forecourt and pulled away to the side of the road to follow my brother out (he was navigating the home leg) I was taken aback by the seating position, but it was remarkably comfortable and after 20 seconds riding down the road I was at home.

I wouldn't say that the bike is uncomfortable. It's not a Goldwing, but it's not a torture device despite it apparently having the look of one when you ride it. I found my hands a little tingly when I got home, and my arse was a bit numb from the hard seat. My hamstrings were tight, but that's off doing a leg session before work yesterday - I've had my cramp riding a CBF600 than I got on the Daytona today! It was a little wristy around town, but I had always assumed that sore wrists would mean you couldn't ride on. This was a little ache, countered by gripping the tank with my knees. I've got a good core, so I never felt like flopping off the bike or giving out. My clutch hand got sore in a traffic jam early on, but I don't intend on spending much time in traffic on the bike.

On the open road, it was mightily impressive. Protection from the fairing was good, and mercifully the weather lifted to glorious sunshine. The pace the bike will pile on felt unreal. There is thunderous roll on power at any position or speed, but wind it to 5000rpm and it comes alive. The warm, woofling sound of the bike burbling along changes almost instantly as it comes on cam, the induction note takes over and sounds raspy and guttural. It reminded me of the sound of crackling air that precedes a massive 'BOOM' after a bolt of lightning. Sometimes you'd creep on cam without realising, and the noise of the engine waking up would alert you that it was there. I only took it to the top of a given gear once or twice, but the top end rush was insane. The 'grunt of a twin and top end rush of a four' analogy is often trotted out but it holds true. It's more like an inline four than a twin though, because although it's very tractable at low speeds, its the midrange that blossoms into a violently fast crescendo at the top of the clock that dominates the ride. Handling wise, it wasn't a quick paced ride but the bike felt superb. Stiff enough to maintain good control but soft enough to avoid jarring you over every ripple in the tarmac. Pointy and stable, it felt like a talented rider could really get a lot from it and I'd love to grow into it.


I've calmed considerably since I got in and my overriding feeling now is that I just want it fixed.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Baryonyx said:
I'm guessing, giving the temperature fluctuations and the fact it's boiled the coolant and popped the tank, that it must be a knackered head gasket?
You can certainly guess at that, and it's a possibility, but a very small one. There are many other problems that could cause overheating, and most of the them are far more likely than a blown headgasket. e.g. a simple stuck thermostat, or an airlock could give exactly the same symptoms.

Baryonyx

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17,990 posts

158 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Fingers crossed the most simple explanation is the right one - crappy cap popped off under pressure and dumped the coolant. It's got to be sorted. I love this bike, as volatile as our relationship is.

Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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A great bike no doubt and certainly an interesting choice as a first post-test bike, I hope it gets sorted for you.

I've read that over-filling the coolant and not leaving enough headspace in the expansion tank an cause these to leak fluid, but a knackered thermostat or water pump could be just as likely. Hopefully the dealer will be helpful in sorting it out.

Baryonyx

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Monday 6th July 2015
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I've spoken with the garage on the phone, they were more than happy to arrange a solution. The first port of call is they're going to collect the bike on Thursday and take it back for a look. Now, they offered me a refund up front, or a chance at fixing the bike and seeing where we go from there.

I'm still mulling it over, but the suggestion I had made was that they take the bike for a look, see what's going on and if they are confident they can fix it, I'll keep it. If it looks as though it's a bigger problem, they're happy to refund me. I'm impressed by their attitude, most certainly, they put the ball in my court for how we would progress this. If it can be fixed, I'd love to keep it but if it's big trouble, then I'll walk away.


If it does go, lord knows what I'd get to replace it. I absolutely love that bike, the looks and the sound are outrageous and it's a dream to ride when it's not blowing coolant out of the header tank. It was the best of the lot of the T595's that I could see for sale and I probably wouldn't look for another one after that. Who knows what else I could look at? The 600cc bikes at that sort of price range don't really grab me and I'm not sure what sort of Japanese litre bike you'd get for the same cash.


ETA: It may be of interest to note that I didn't hear the fan at all during this episode. I've checked the oil, and that's in good condition. There is no evidence of coolant having mixed with it. However, I would have expected the fan to kick in, and be really bloody loud, as bike fans often are. I didn't hear it all, which makes me wonder if it's not that which is broken.



Edited by Baryonyx on Monday 6th July 11:44

Mr OCD

6,388 posts

210 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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It's quite rare for head gaskets to go on bikes in all honesty. From the sound of it I suspect you have a cooling issue ... thermostat / fan / etc... if the fan isn't coming on then the coolant will boil and throw it out of the expansion tank.

Renn Sport

2,761 posts

208 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Ok so this usually happens as a consequence of overfilling the water overflow tank near or slightly above the maximum level.

Ask me how I know?

If the bike temps were reading normal then this is probably the case. Someone has gone around the bike and checked the fluids and probably overfilled slightly.

I have had the same problem on my ride down to dorset and back. I slightly overfilled both the coolant and the oil, resulting in oil being blown out of the breather hose from the airbox and also a nice puddle of water after a longish run.

I got a bit stressed and investigated further and found the causes fro both issues was me.

Baryonyx

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17,990 posts

158 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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The temps were up high in traffic and cool on the open road. So I don't think it's just plain overfilling, that wouldn't account for the super hot reading at standstill or when crawling. The gather the fan is a known weak spot, and having not heard it once the other day, I suspect that's what's done it.

I'm eager to see if the garage can fix it, as I'd love to have the bike back. In spite of this fault, I love it and I absolutely loved riding it the other day. If I had to think of chucking it in and replacing it, I don't know what I'd get instead. A Super Blackbird? A K1200S? They've had loads of pace but I doubt they'd have the handling of the Daytona. So really, I just want to keep the Daytona!