Double yellow lines - can you stop on them? Mod 2 bike test

Double yellow lines - can you stop on them? Mod 2 bike test

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TJ1406

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31 posts

104 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Hi everyone
I'm a newbie so please be gentle with me!
I've got my Mod2 in a couple of weeks and when the examiner asks me to 'pull over when it's safe to do so' can this include double yellow lines? My instructor says it's a big no no, avoid them but I have read on one of the offical sites that as long as you are only waiting momentarily and not parking, it's OK to do so. Any thoughts?


Edited by TJ1406 on Monday 6th July 20:32

Yoda400

386 posts

107 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Why wouldn't you listen to your instructor's advice? Double yellows mean you can stop quickly to drop off a passenger if you must, but not pull over for a good chat with your test examiner. They restrict parking there for a reason, whether traffic flow or safety. If the examiner asks you to pull over and all you can see are acres of double yellows, I'd acknowledge it, do some mirror checks, then pull over when safe and legal. If examiner asks what took you so long, explain your reasoning about the yellow lines. Only my opinion, and based on my test hundreds of years ago when examiner asked me to pull over (car test), I said I didn't think it was safe to park on the brow of a hill and would just drive on until those behind overtaking would have a better view. Admittedly he looked furious but didn't mark me down smile

Gypsum Fantastic

412 posts

210 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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If your instructor is telling you no, I'm not sure why you would consider it. You don't have to stop immediately, so I don't see that there would ever be a need to stop on double yellows on the test.

TJ1406

Original Poster:

31 posts

104 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Thanks. It's not that I'd not listen to his advice - I respect him totally, he's a good instructor. It is interesting though that so say "official" sites can give you misleading info!

Just feeling anxious I guess and keep telling myself not to 'overthink' everything - just go with the flow! I can do this (really I can!!)

Yoda400

386 posts

107 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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They may ask you to pull over at a time where you will need to ride on for a bit, just to see whether you know your highway code! So try not to overthink; if you ride as you've been taught, that should give you some confidence.

barker22

1,037 posts

166 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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The examiners all know every last detail of the routes OP, they wouldn't purposely ask to to pull up over somewhere that would 'catch you out'
All they want to pull you over for is to see if you check your mirrors and signal correctly and the same when you are asked to carry on in your own time.

Try not to over think it

Good luck

TOPTON

1,514 posts

235 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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The examiner will ask you to pull over on the left in a convenient place. As he speaks, you may be along side double yellows but he hasn't said "pull up as soon as possible". He is looking to see if you know what a safe and convenient place is, obviously double yellows aren't, so don't do it, it will be a fail. The examiner has usually seen where he expects you to pull up and this could be anywhere within 150-200m

wuckfitracing

990 posts

142 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Also dont pull up at the end of someones driveway.I forgot that one and got a minor fault.

vonuber

17,868 posts

164 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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No offence - but didn't you do your theory test?

croggers

215 posts

186 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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TOPTON said:
The examiner will ask you to pull over on the left in a convenient place. As he speaks, you may be along side double yellows but he hasn't said "pull up as soon as possible". He is looking to see if you know what a safe and convenient place is, obviously double yellows aren't, so don't do it, it will be a fail. The examiner has usually seen where he expects you to pull up and this could be anywhere within 150-200m
The bold statement is completely incorrect. If you fail for stopping on double yellows, unless you stop on them every time you stop, the reason you fail won't be the yellows, it will be something else.

Rubin215

3,985 posts

155 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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croggers said:
TOPTON said:
The examiner will ask you to pull over on the left in a convenient place. As he speaks, you may be along side double yellows but he hasn't said "pull up as soon as possible". He is looking to see if you know what a safe and convenient place is, obviously double yellows aren't, so don't do it, it will be a fail. The examiner has usually seen where he expects you to pull up and this could be anywhere within 150-200m
The bold statement is completely incorrect. If you fail for stopping on double yellows, unless you stop on them every time you stop, the reason you fail won't be the yellows, it will be something else.
Stopping on double yellows is a minor fault (official language is a "rider fault").

You can make up to 10 minor faults and still pass, but if you make the same minor fault three times it becomes a serious fault.

One serious fault means fail.

croggers

215 posts

186 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Rubin215 said:
Stopping on double yellows is a minor fault (official language is a "rider fault").

You can make up to 10 minor faults and still pass, but if you make the same minor fault three times it becomes a serious fault.

One serious fault means fail.
Sort of correct, although there is no set number of faults that knock it into habitual and thus serious. For example, mirrors are checked a large number of times, so more faults are recorded before serious. Where as you will only move off from the side of the road 3-5 times, so lower number of faults before the serious.


Edited by croggers on Sunday 5th July 20:56

ncjones

256 posts

214 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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On my MOD2 I stopped on double yellows opposite a junction. It was shortly after setting off, the examiner asked me to pullover when it was safe to do so, I hesitated due to the double yellows, he came on the radio again and said its fine to stop here.

Not a location I'd chose to stop, but certainly didn't result in a fail or minor fault.

TJ1406

Original Poster:

31 posts

104 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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vonuber said:
No offence - but didn't you do your theory test?
Yes,I did pass my Theory test (obviously, otherwise I wouldn't be taking my Mod2 - doh!!) in fact, I aced my Mod 1 too, no faults not bad for a 51 yr old menopausal biker chick eh?!!

I don't remember a theory question about double yellow lines - I had seen information to suggest that you could stop which had surprised me and why I joined the forum to get an opinion.
Thanks to all the genuinely helpful replies - much appreciated wink


Ed.

2,172 posts

237 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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ncjones said:
On my MOD2 I stopped on double yellows opposite a junction. It was shortly after setting off, the examiner asked me to pullover when it was safe to do so, I hesitated due to the double yellows, he came on the radio again and said its fine to stop here.

Not a location I'd chose to stop, but certainly didn't result in a fail or minor fault.
I think this illustrates a point I was told when training, motorbike examiners want to pass you and look for safe riding. He noticed the hesitation, saw there was good reason and re-assured. My MOD1 and 2 examiners both kept the tests friendly and calm.

Rubin215

3,985 posts

155 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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croggers said:
Rubin215 said:
Stopping on double yellows is a minor fault (official language is a "rider fault").

You can make up to 10 minor faults and still pass, but if you make the same minor fault three times it becomes a serious fault.

One serious fault means fail.
Sort of correct, although there is no set number of faults that knock it into habitual and thus serious. For example, mirrors are checked a large number of times, so more faults are recorded before serious. Where as you will only move off from the side of the road 3-5 times, so lower number of faults before the serious.


Edited by croggers on Sunday 5th July 20:56
Nope, sorry, you're wrong.

Fail to check your mirrors before a signal or maneouvre three times and it's a serious fault.

Three is not a random number just plucked out the air, it is the DSA guidance for examiners.

If you don't believe me, pop into your local test centre and ask an examiner, they are generally very helpful.

Gypsum Fantastic

412 posts

210 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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ncjones said:
On my MOD2 I stopped on double yellows opposite a junction. It was shortly after setting off, the examiner asked me to pullover when it was safe to do so, I hesitated due to the double yellows, he came on the radio again and said its fine to stop here.

Not a location I'd chose to stop, but certainly didn't result in a fail or minor fault.
It's always worth remembering that the examiners all have their own little quirks. From what I gather some are pretty keen on looking out for certain faults, while others aren't too bothered by them. A good instructor should be aware of these and will give their student some handy hints.

peteO

1,790 posts

184 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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No... the only response that is needed.

croggers

215 posts

186 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Rubin215 said:
Nope, sorry, you're wrong.

Fail to check your mirrors before a signal or maneouvre three times and it's a serious fault.

Three is not a random number just plucked out the air, it is the DSA guidance for examiners.

If you don't believe me, pop into your local test centre and ask an examiner, they are generally very helpful.
I'll do better than that. I'll ask the other 8 examiners in my office, my manager and refer to my training and see where this magic number has come from.

I actually did a test today, where someone received 5 faults in one box and no serious.

We also haven't been DSA for over a year now. DVSA is where it's at.

TJ1406

Original Poster:

31 posts

104 months

Monday 6th July 2015
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Croggers, have you had a long day? wink


Edited by TJ1406 on Monday 6th July 20:27