intermediate trackdayer vs jenny tinmouth...

intermediate trackdayer vs jenny tinmouth...

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Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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LoonR1 said:
It won't work, as they're completely different bikes.
They could use a control bike, in much the same way Tinmouth wasn't tested using her BSB bike against an intermediate rider on their privately owned track bike. silly

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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At Donington

MotoGP 2007 Danny Pedrosa 1:27:676
WSB 2015 Tom Sykes 1:27:071
BSB 2015 pole Ryuichi Kiyonari 1:29:455
ThunderSport - can't find it
No Limits 1000cc Cup best lap 1:38:4

Trackday fast group anything sub 1:50
Inters anything sub 2:20ish

Rough times above. MotoGP is distorted as it took 7 years for WSB to catch up amd overtake that record.

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Silverstone Arena circuit, from my quick googling:

F1 - 1'30.874 (Fernando Alonso, 2010)
MotoGP - 2’01.906 (Marquez, qualifying 2014)
WSBK - 2m 04.041 (John Hopkins, Samsung Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2011)
BSB - 2:06.253 (Josh Brookes - Suzuki 2011)

Trackdayer time 2:20 ish.



hebegb

1,523 posts

146 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
Silverstone Arena circuit, from my quick googling:

F1 - 1'30.874 (Fernando Alonso, 2010)
MotoGP - 2’01.906 (Marquez, qualifying 2014)
WSBK - 2m 04.041 (John Hopkins, Samsung Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2011)
BSB - 2:06.253 (Josh Brookes - Suzuki 2011)

Trackdayer time 2:20 ish.
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Really ... 2.20 , where did you arrive at that time ?
Show me that trackdayrider .... ( McKean you can ps off - you don't count ...)!

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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hebegb said:
gwm said:
Silverstone Arena circuit, from my quick googling:

F1 - 1'30.874 (Fernando Alonso, 2010)
MotoGP - 2’01.906 (Marquez, qualifying 2014)
WSBK - 2m 04.041 (John Hopkins, Samsung Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2011)
BSB - 2:06.253 (Josh Brookes - Suzuki 2011)

Trackdayer time 2:20 ish.
T
Really ... 2.20 , where did you arrive at that time ?
Show me that trackdayrider .... ( McKean you can ps off - you don't count ...)!
And an Inters one at that.

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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hebegb said:
Really ... 2.20 , where did you arrive at that time ?
Show me that trackdayrider .... ( McKean you can ps off - you don't count ...)!
A Niall Mackenzie quote from his track guide on Visordown:

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-track-guides/m...

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
hebegb said:
Really ... 2.20 , where did you arrive at that time ?
Show me that trackdayrider .... ( McKean you can ps off - you don't count ...)!
A Niall Mackenzie quote from his track guide on Visordown:

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-track-guides/m...
Really?

Niall Mackenzie said:
......a god lap time on a trackday.......
That means top end of fast group doing a good lap, not an Inters rider

moto_traxport

4,235 posts

220 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
Silverstone Arena circuit, from my quick googling:

F1 - 1'30.874 (Fernando Alonso, 2010)
MotoGP - 2’01.906 (Marquez, qualifying 2014)
WSBK - 2m 04.041 (John Hopkins, Samsung Crescent Suzuki GSX-R1000 2011)
BSB - 2:06.253 (Josh Brookes - Suzuki 2011)

Trackdayer time 2:20 ish.
Not all are directly comparable. Some run a different exit to Chapel curve which has an effect on speed down the Hangar straight.

I know when I did a trackday there awhile back I was "shortcutting" the corner compared to the WSBK boys.

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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LoonR1 said:
That means top end of fast group doing a good lap, not an Inters rider
I never said anything about an Inters rider, though appreciate that's the spirit of the thread. Was a quick google and for same layout, not for stringent peer review.

Without a proper controlled test, these comparisons will always be rough.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
I never said anything about an Inters rider, though appreciate that's the spirit of the thread. Was a quick google and for same layout, not for stringent peer review.

Without a proper controlled test, these comparisons will always be rough.
This needs to be an Inters rider, as that's what the original article was about. It's also a fairly even playing field. A fast group often has BSB or high club level racers in there, so times can be distorted.

There is no comparison. I'm not slow, but I'm far from mega quick. I'll dig out a video of me in an I gets day when I booked the wrong group. I'm doing laps 10seconds slower than I would in Fast due to the traffic.

This is a pretty standard Inters day IME

http://youtu.be/NpnbGL473vQ

gwm

2,390 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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LoonR1 said:
This needs to be an Inters rider, as that's what the original article was about. It's also a fairly even playing field. A fast group often has BSB or high club level racers in there, so times can be distorted.

There is no comparison. I'm not slow, but I'm far from mega quick. I'll dig out a video of me in an I gets day when I booked the wrong group. I'm doing laps 10seconds slower than I would in Fast due to the traffic.

This is a pretty standard Inters day IME

http://youtu.be/NpnbGL473vQ
That was an entertaining lap to watch, makes it look very busy! Love how some guys are hanging off their bikes while you coast past them.

So to sum up we're saying what here?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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gwm said:
That was an entertaining lap to watch, makes it look very busy!

So to sum up we're saying what here?
We're saying that nobody who rides in Inters could get anywhere near a BSB level racer. That's all.

gareth_r

5,712 posts

236 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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And let's not forget that she's done a 119.9 TT lap. In my book, that alone puts her beyond the criticism of mere mortals. smile

iambeowulf

712 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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In my eyes her and Mitzy are tops! thumbup

There's not enough female riders IMO and if she encourages just a hadlful of females to start riding or get into racing (as a spectator or rider) then that's to be applauded. Plus it'll stop the whining when we bugger off for an afternoon on the bike.

I don't get the negativity man.

bogie

16,342 posts

271 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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gareth_r said:
And let's not forget that she's done a 119.9 TT lap. In my book, that alone puts her beyond the criticism of mere mortals. smile
exactly my thoughts, I dont care how fast she is at that short circuit stuff ...unfortunately thats where a lot of the money is I guess

We certainly need more women to watch in tight leather and shes doing a great job getting at marketing thats for sure, it seems everyone has an opinion on her these days

scorcher

3,982 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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iambeowulf said:
There's not enough female riders IMO and if she encourages just a hadlful of females to start riding or get into racing (as a spectator or rider) then that's to be applauded.
3 ladies teams at Silverstone this weekend for the No Limits Endurance race

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/no-limits/

My other half is competing on her Fireblade in one of the teams.

iambeowulf

712 posts

171 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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scorcher said:
iambeowulf said:
There's not enough female riders IMO and if she encourages just a hadlful of females to start riding or get into racing (as a spectator or rider) then that's to be applauded.
3 ladies teams at Silverstone this weekend for the No Limits Endurance race

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/no-limits/

My other half is competing on her Fireblade in one of the teams.
Oh great. A load of menopausal women in one place!

hehe

I'd go but I'm in another continent.

Dave Stewart

43 posts

147 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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In answer to the missing lap record from Donington remark:-

Thundersport GP1 Lap record at Donington Park is 1.32.945 by John Ingram (pole record is 1.31.876 but obviously doesn't count as a record).

Interestingly, the race he set that lap record in, Jenny Tinmouth finished 4th on her Privateer spec BSB Superbike. My own opinion (which obviously won't count for much amongst the bar stool racers) is that Jenny is a very talented racer.
We have known Jenny since the days back when we created the MRO Powerbike Tour in 2000. She rode 125GP bikes back then in the same field as Steve Patrickson, Chris Martin, Christian Elkin, the Lowes twins, Chaz Davies and Casey Stoner. She never pulled the - I'm only a girl in a mans world - card and just wanted to race on equal terms.

Yes, Honda probably saw the marketing potential of having a woman on a factory bike, but I bet it wasn't Jenny that approached them from that angle. Yes, she is lucky to have the factory ride, but why are people so jealous about it?

She would also hand any of the riders who regularly post on here their backside on a plate on the same machinery at any track,including those that have posted unkind and disparaging remarks about her.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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Dave Stewart said:
In answer to the missing lap record from Donington remark:-

Thundersport GP1 Lap record at Donington Park is 1.32.945 by John Ingram (pole record is 1.31.876 but obviously doesn't count as a record).

Interestingly, the race he set that lap record in, Jenny Tinmouth finished 4th on her Privateer spec BSB Superbike. My own opinion (which obviously won't count for much amongst the bar stool racers) is that Jenny is a very talented racer.
We have known Jenny since the days back when we created the MRO Powerbike Tour in 2000. She rode 125GP bikes back then in the same field as Steve Patrickson, Chris Martin, Christian Elkin, the Lowes twins, Chaz Davies and Casey Stoner. She never pulled the - I'm only a girl in a mans world - card and just wanted to race on equal terms.

Yes, Honda probably saw the marketing potential of having a woman on a factory bike, but I bet it wasn't Jenny that approached them from that angle. Yes, she is lucky to have the factory ride, but why are people so jealous about it?

She would also hand any of the riders who regularly post on here their backside on a plate on the same machinery at any track,including those that have posted unkind and disparaging remarks about her.
100% this.

RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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LoonR1 said:
The point of the article is to show all the armchair riders just how much harder a backmarker in BSB is riding compared to them.
Edited by LoonR1 on Tuesday 7th July 14:59
I could not imagine being one of the people who think being at the back of BSB = "any intermediate TD rider could do it"

AS i'm not that stupid wink