A quick ride on a firey Italian
Discussion
I have just returned from my test ride on the Mv Agusta F4. I went in with an open mind, but the F4 was already on the back foot, as I had been so completely blown away by the RSV4 RF.
First thoughts on collecting the bike, it seemed to warm up very quickly as I was talking to the salesman and putting my kit on, it has a nice sound at idle for an IL4 engine, quite burbly but not excessively loud. Sitting on the bike, the pegs felt pretty high and far forward. Riding off down the street, the bike took less clutch slipping and was smoother off the line than the RSV4, and seemed much happier at town speeds. A bit of an irrelevancy for me, but I didn't feel as nervous on the F4, so I happily filtered out through Newcastle and onto some A roads.
The riding position cannot be be described as anything other than "focused" at best, or "cramped" at worst. If you suffer with sore wrists when riding, this is not the bike for you. If you have a bit of a kite on you, you won't be able to get flat on the tank. It's not a bike for the unfit or the overweight (thought you could get away with if you just ride slowly, bolt upright to the Ace Cafe). I'm 6 foot, 34" inside leg and 14.5 stone, I don't have a beer belly and I'm reasonably fit, and I thought it felt like a small bike after the Aprilia. Somehow, the Aprilia looks a lot smaller but you find more room on board. The F4 won on aero for my frame at least, where the Aprilia screen seemed to direct wind at my face no matter where I sat, the tiny looking F4 screen did an amazing job of keeping me in the bubble when I was getting into a crouch. Ok, it's not as good as the barn door SRAD fairing I'm used to, but for such a small and aesthetically pleasing front end, the F4 is a marvel.
The handling was spot on, though the F4 felt taller and gave me the impression of having a higher COG, but it tipped into corners just as nicely as the RSV4, maybe needing a tad more pressure on the bars but not much. Between the Pirlli Supercorsas, the superb suspension and the traction control system, you could ride one of these very quickly indeed and still not get close to the limits on the road - the same goes for the RSV4 and realistically, any other 1000cc sports bike of the modern age. Compared to the Aprilia, the F4 felt less inclined to wheelie, I believe the longer wheelbase and more front heavy riding position may have been at play here, the front end went light once or twice but it didn't want to lift the front on the throttle like the RSV4 did.
One thing I really, really liked about the MV was the tank design. I should have taken a proper photo of it but I forgot. The wing flanges on the top of the tank do an incredible job of locking you in place. I wasn't going for enormous lean angles, but shifting my weight around in the seat and having that wing to lock my outside thigh onto felt amazing, you really do feel like part of the bike and the stability is amazing. You'd never need stomp grimp, Techspec or anything like that, MV have absolutely nailed it. I never thought I'd get so excited about a fuel tank.
With regard to the engine, it was an absolute stunner. It could be easy to get so enveloped in the powertrain that everything else becomes a minor point, but you can't talk about a litre bike with mentioning the engine. I had been incredulous when the salesman suggested that it was "not like a Japanese IL4", and that it sounded different. I don't know what it is, but he wasn't lying - this thing sounds absolutely incredible and for pure aural pleasure (fnar fnar) I'd put it shoulder to shoulder with the Aprilia. I never thought that could even be possible. It's just such an angry thing, the induction bark, the cacophony of burbles and pops on a trailing throttle, the surge of power at 4000rpm that hurls the bike forward until 10,000rpm, when the engine takes on a character akin to the warp drive of the Millenium Falcon, seeming to teleport you down the road. The throttle and fueling that had felt a little fluffy at lower speeds becomes razor sharp, metering out power is a doddle and the engine works in perfect sychronicity with the chassis and you can just place the bike perfectly on the road. I know most people buy a bike and immediately change at least the end can, if not adding a full system. I wouldn't bother with the F4, I love loud bikes but believe me, this is not lacking for decibels or tone, it is a stunning sound. You may struggle to get one of these onto some tracks, based on my (totally uncalibrated) ears. This bike doesn't seem to have the giant collector box in the belly like most bikes with minimal rear silencers from the showroom, it sounds like a proper exhaust system, not some "sneak it by the noise regs because they'll just bin it anyway" job. The bike had the riding modes, traction system etc, I didn't fiddle with it. It also had a quickshifter too, I didn't test this as I forgot to ask if it had one and didn't fancy testing that on the open road, I just used good old clutchless upshifts.
Some minor niggles. The rear brake didn't work, at all. It pushed down and returned to position, but it didn't actually work, as I tested on a hill, I pointed it out to the salesman and I wouldn't let that put me off the bike. The heat was tremendous, riding back into Newcastle city centre to drop the bike off, my right inner thigh in particular was roasting, the fans were running and we'd been moving through slow but not stationary traffic for 5 minutes at the most. If I bought one, I'd change the clutch and brake lever positions immediately, they were not right for me whether I was riding upright-ish - or as upright as you can on a bike that tips you forward so much, and they were not right when I was fully tucked either. The little display screen was a bit naff too, it was nice and clear, a good amount of info displayed etc, but I prefer a dial tacho and a digital speedo. The all-in-one digital unit seemed to be a bit "because racebike" for racebike's sake - when the rest of the bike is dripping with engineered, machined pornography the little display looked a bit naff. I must admit though, this didn't really occur at all when I was riding it, as the rest of the experience was so good. The mirrors are useless, unless you tuck your elbows in and lean to the side a bit, you can't really see much behind yourself, and they vibrate at speed so your view of your own elbows blurs. In fact the bike has quite a lot of vibration at 6000rpm, it's no Goldwing but who cares. Girls will love it.
Worries remain over things like parts availability etc, but the salesman was very honest with me and upfront about the struggles MV have had, but was keen to stress the Mercedes involvement, he reckons Mercedes wouldn't put money into MV and so publicly champion them if they didn't believe they could make it a success. I have to agree, the embarrassment if Mercedes MV failed where Audi Ducati succeeded it would be a blow for Merc. This bike definitely has a feeling of throwing caution to the wind though, when you catch a glimpse of yourself riding it in a shop window, logic dissolves.
I never believed The RSV4 could be toppled, not least by MV's F4. There doesn't seem to be a massive amount written about these bikes, not all much on the YouTube and I've never known anyone who has owned one. I went in open minded but thinking that no bike, not least the MV could climb the mountain, but it just did. In so many ways, it's objectively worse than the RSV4 RF, but for my ability and for the purely road-based life my next bike will live, the difference in ability is negligible, and something about the MV just got a hook in me. If I could only have one, it would be the MV F4, and I never, ever thought I'd say that.
I did enquire at the local Ducati dealer if they had a 1299 in, but they said they'd sold all of their allocation and had even sold the demonstrator they'd had in. The 1299 is admittedly an outsider in this running, I've never ridden a V twin other than an SV650, so I may see if I can get a shot on an 899 to find out whether or not I could live with a twin rather than a 4 cylinder, but I doubt I'll make a massive effort as the thought of the power delivery doesn't really get my blood pumping like a 4. They did advise me to keep in touch and check back early next year if I was serious, but I reckon I'll have bought a new bike by then, especially as my next year of NCB will have ticked over and I'll desperate for another bike by then. Next week I'll be riding the Fireblade. Will the Japanese utility tool stoke the fires of passion as much? Probably not, but I've never heard a Fireblade owner complain about their road manners, all accounts are that the engine is a peach and it's very confidence-inspiring to ride. It's definitely the "head" choice in the current litre bike pack, but I'll await next week's ride before I make my choices on it.
First thoughts on collecting the bike, it seemed to warm up very quickly as I was talking to the salesman and putting my kit on, it has a nice sound at idle for an IL4 engine, quite burbly but not excessively loud. Sitting on the bike, the pegs felt pretty high and far forward. Riding off down the street, the bike took less clutch slipping and was smoother off the line than the RSV4, and seemed much happier at town speeds. A bit of an irrelevancy for me, but I didn't feel as nervous on the F4, so I happily filtered out through Newcastle and onto some A roads.
The riding position cannot be be described as anything other than "focused" at best, or "cramped" at worst. If you suffer with sore wrists when riding, this is not the bike for you. If you have a bit of a kite on you, you won't be able to get flat on the tank. It's not a bike for the unfit or the overweight (thought you could get away with if you just ride slowly, bolt upright to the Ace Cafe). I'm 6 foot, 34" inside leg and 14.5 stone, I don't have a beer belly and I'm reasonably fit, and I thought it felt like a small bike after the Aprilia. Somehow, the Aprilia looks a lot smaller but you find more room on board. The F4 won on aero for my frame at least, where the Aprilia screen seemed to direct wind at my face no matter where I sat, the tiny looking F4 screen did an amazing job of keeping me in the bubble when I was getting into a crouch. Ok, it's not as good as the barn door SRAD fairing I'm used to, but for such a small and aesthetically pleasing front end, the F4 is a marvel.
The handling was spot on, though the F4 felt taller and gave me the impression of having a higher COG, but it tipped into corners just as nicely as the RSV4, maybe needing a tad more pressure on the bars but not much. Between the Pirlli Supercorsas, the superb suspension and the traction control system, you could ride one of these very quickly indeed and still not get close to the limits on the road - the same goes for the RSV4 and realistically, any other 1000cc sports bike of the modern age. Compared to the Aprilia, the F4 felt less inclined to wheelie, I believe the longer wheelbase and more front heavy riding position may have been at play here, the front end went light once or twice but it didn't want to lift the front on the throttle like the RSV4 did.
One thing I really, really liked about the MV was the tank design. I should have taken a proper photo of it but I forgot. The wing flanges on the top of the tank do an incredible job of locking you in place. I wasn't going for enormous lean angles, but shifting my weight around in the seat and having that wing to lock my outside thigh onto felt amazing, you really do feel like part of the bike and the stability is amazing. You'd never need stomp grimp, Techspec or anything like that, MV have absolutely nailed it. I never thought I'd get so excited about a fuel tank.
With regard to the engine, it was an absolute stunner. It could be easy to get so enveloped in the powertrain that everything else becomes a minor point, but you can't talk about a litre bike with mentioning the engine. I had been incredulous when the salesman suggested that it was "not like a Japanese IL4", and that it sounded different. I don't know what it is, but he wasn't lying - this thing sounds absolutely incredible and for pure aural pleasure (fnar fnar) I'd put it shoulder to shoulder with the Aprilia. I never thought that could even be possible. It's just such an angry thing, the induction bark, the cacophony of burbles and pops on a trailing throttle, the surge of power at 4000rpm that hurls the bike forward until 10,000rpm, when the engine takes on a character akin to the warp drive of the Millenium Falcon, seeming to teleport you down the road. The throttle and fueling that had felt a little fluffy at lower speeds becomes razor sharp, metering out power is a doddle and the engine works in perfect sychronicity with the chassis and you can just place the bike perfectly on the road. I know most people buy a bike and immediately change at least the end can, if not adding a full system. I wouldn't bother with the F4, I love loud bikes but believe me, this is not lacking for decibels or tone, it is a stunning sound. You may struggle to get one of these onto some tracks, based on my (totally uncalibrated) ears. This bike doesn't seem to have the giant collector box in the belly like most bikes with minimal rear silencers from the showroom, it sounds like a proper exhaust system, not some "sneak it by the noise regs because they'll just bin it anyway" job. The bike had the riding modes, traction system etc, I didn't fiddle with it. It also had a quickshifter too, I didn't test this as I forgot to ask if it had one and didn't fancy testing that on the open road, I just used good old clutchless upshifts.
Some minor niggles. The rear brake didn't work, at all. It pushed down and returned to position, but it didn't actually work, as I tested on a hill, I pointed it out to the salesman and I wouldn't let that put me off the bike. The heat was tremendous, riding back into Newcastle city centre to drop the bike off, my right inner thigh in particular was roasting, the fans were running and we'd been moving through slow but not stationary traffic for 5 minutes at the most. If I bought one, I'd change the clutch and brake lever positions immediately, they were not right for me whether I was riding upright-ish - or as upright as you can on a bike that tips you forward so much, and they were not right when I was fully tucked either. The little display screen was a bit naff too, it was nice and clear, a good amount of info displayed etc, but I prefer a dial tacho and a digital speedo. The all-in-one digital unit seemed to be a bit "because racebike" for racebike's sake - when the rest of the bike is dripping with engineered, machined pornography the little display looked a bit naff. I must admit though, this didn't really occur at all when I was riding it, as the rest of the experience was so good. The mirrors are useless, unless you tuck your elbows in and lean to the side a bit, you can't really see much behind yourself, and they vibrate at speed so your view of your own elbows blurs. In fact the bike has quite a lot of vibration at 6000rpm, it's no Goldwing but who cares. Girls will love it.
Worries remain over things like parts availability etc, but the salesman was very honest with me and upfront about the struggles MV have had, but was keen to stress the Mercedes involvement, he reckons Mercedes wouldn't put money into MV and so publicly champion them if they didn't believe they could make it a success. I have to agree, the embarrassment if Mercedes MV failed where Audi Ducati succeeded it would be a blow for Merc. This bike definitely has a feeling of throwing caution to the wind though, when you catch a glimpse of yourself riding it in a shop window, logic dissolves.
I never believed The RSV4 could be toppled, not least by MV's F4. There doesn't seem to be a massive amount written about these bikes, not all much on the YouTube and I've never known anyone who has owned one. I went in open minded but thinking that no bike, not least the MV could climb the mountain, but it just did. In so many ways, it's objectively worse than the RSV4 RF, but for my ability and for the purely road-based life my next bike will live, the difference in ability is negligible, and something about the MV just got a hook in me. If I could only have one, it would be the MV F4, and I never, ever thought I'd say that.
I did enquire at the local Ducati dealer if they had a 1299 in, but they said they'd sold all of their allocation and had even sold the demonstrator they'd had in. The 1299 is admittedly an outsider in this running, I've never ridden a V twin other than an SV650, so I may see if I can get a shot on an 899 to find out whether or not I could live with a twin rather than a 4 cylinder, but I doubt I'll make a massive effort as the thought of the power delivery doesn't really get my blood pumping like a 4. They did advise me to keep in touch and check back early next year if I was serious, but I reckon I'll have bought a new bike by then, especially as my next year of NCB will have ticked over and I'll desperate for another bike by then. Next week I'll be riding the Fireblade. Will the Japanese utility tool stoke the fires of passion as much? Probably not, but I've never heard a Fireblade owner complain about their road manners, all accounts are that the engine is a peach and it's very confidence-inspiring to ride. It's definitely the "head" choice in the current litre bike pack, but I'll await next week's ride before I make my choices on it.
As the owner of a 2013 F4 I have to say I love it out of all of the bikes I've owned it's not the best handling wise (compared to the S1000RR I commute & trackday on) but it has so much more character & the engine note is a killer then there's the looks which I never tire of.
Servicing wise nothing to report I've not needed anything extra apart from the race pipes & I got those within a week.
If you get one you won't regret it.
Servicing wise nothing to report I've not needed anything extra apart from the race pipes & I got those within a week.
If you get one you won't regret it.
The F4's engine and exhaust note is very distinct, and sets it apart from all other IL4s. It is angry raw and has a serrated staccato that promises hardnailed fury. After the monotony of most current mass produced IL4 superbikes, the F4 has some lovely detail touches that make it stand out as something quite special. Although I love vtwins a for their noise and torque for fast road use, the F4 is an exception to be made.
t off a shovel??? Fleegle said:
Half of BB need to get shot of the bikes in their garage based on your medical judgement
Don't misunderstand please, I'm not saying that anyone shouldn't have one - this thing has stolen my heart and I think anyone that rides would feel it's magnetic pull, but the ergonomics are not amazing, hip angle and weight-forward position will probably be the main complaints in general use. My comment about the beer belly was purely with relation to tucking right in, it's something about the seat angle and how it meets the tank, the reach to the bars probably factors in too. It's an incredible bike but I'd definitely say it's not one to buy without a decent ride first. It's not a small bike, yet somehow MV have managed to package the rider element into a very small space on the bike. As I say, compared to the RSV4 RF, there is less room on board. For a weekend blast bike, the small dimensions and discomfort that will arise for some riders are something you could possibly overlook. I still think if you're carrying a bit of timber around the midriff there's nowhere to put it, which sets it apart from other bikes I've ridden and I can't understand why.castex said:
That is a LOVELY bike.
Don't you now have to ride the S1000RR and the new R1, too?
The S1000RR is on the list, I'll be going to see the Germans before the end of the season. I'd like a ride on the new R1 too but finding a demo bike might be tough. The Fireblade is up next, but lets face it, it's a tough act to follow on from the MV, especially as the maintenance on the MV doesn't seem that heavy - it's just an IL4 like any other, but perhaps the ease of use of the Fireblade will make it seem like a good ownership proposition. I'll be trying to get a ride on a GSXR-1000 too, but for the few quid extra, spread out over a few years of paying it off it would have to really impress to contend with the others.Don't you now have to ride the S1000RR and the new R1, too?
I wanted a go on a ZX-10R but it probably won't happen, Kawasaki don't even have a "book a test ride" button on their website. Fleegle might be able to offer an opinion on how it would be as road bike, does it really lack midrange - could any litre bike really be found lacking on a decent road?
spareparts said:
The F4's engine and exhaust note is very distinct, and sets it apart from all other IL4s. It is angry raw and has a serrated staccato that promises hardnailed fury. After the monotony of most current mass produced IL4 superbikes, the F4 has some lovely detail touches that make it stand out as something quite special. Although I love vtwins a for their noise and torque for fast road use, the F4 is an exception to be made.
Yes, I totally agree. I don't know what they've done to it but it's so angry and urgent. Very light flywheel effect, revs rise and feel like the internals weigh next to nothing and the exhaust make the bike sound like it has a full system when it leaves the showroom. Edited by Mastodon2 on Saturday 25th July 21:10
Mastodon2 said:
I wanted a go on a ZX-10R but it probably won't happen, Kawasaki don't even have a "book a test ride" button on their website. Fleegle might be able to offer an opinion on how it would be as road bike, does it really lack midrange - could any litre bike really be found lacking on a decent road?
I really can't offer an opinion on its road habits as its a track only bike. I'm not sure I'd want to ride one on UK's congested roads ,though but that goes for all litre bikes. The last time I owned a litre bike for the road was in 1997...a BMW R100RT to tour Australia on. Mastodon2 said:
Yes, I totally agree. I don't know what they've done to it but it's so angry and urgent. Very light flywheel effect, revs rise and feel like the internals weigh next to nothing and the exhaust make the bike sound like it has a full system when it leaves the showroom.
Radial valves from Ferrari 
Although ChipChap will be along soon to tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the F4!
spareparts said:
Radial valves from Ferrari
Although ChipChap will be along soon to tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the F4!
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. It's effective a hemi engine, although instead of using an inefficient hemi piston it's a hemispherical chamber with angled valves, allowing larger diameter valves and a shorter stroke - 5mm shorter than a Fireblade for example. That will explain the urgent feeling it has! These things are just pure porn.Although ChipChap will be along soon to tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the F4!
Nice write up, well done.
anonymous said:
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The fairing is a little fussy, but not ugly. What really ruins it a little for me is the ungainly tail/seat unit, much like most other modern bikes, eg Panigales, every gixxer (!) from the K5 onwards, etc, etc. I think it's the curve under the seat that really upsets things. Even the RSV4 looks wrong as it needs a bit more plastic under/behind your bottom to balance the aesthetics. I like a nice chunky 90s look, or the pointy but well developed early 00s style, eg early R1s, 954 Blades and the like.Great write up and on such a lovely bit of kit. MVs really take their tag line "motorcycle art" seriously and build some of the best looking bikes available.
They are surprisingly rare, probably less than a thousand in total on UK roads compared with Ducatis in the tens of thousands, and with all the niche limited editions they do each year this only helps reinforce the uniqueness
I have a Brutale 1090RR in the garage which I love riding, and every time I go in the dealers I drool over the F4 and F3 bikes, but ultimately ride all day comfort wins out for me. If I had the cash id still have a blinged up Tamburini F4 as a garage ornament though
They are surprisingly rare, probably less than a thousand in total on UK roads compared with Ducatis in the tens of thousands, and with all the niche limited editions they do each year this only helps reinforce the uniqueness
I have a Brutale 1090RR in the garage which I love riding, and every time I go in the dealers I drool over the F4 and F3 bikes, but ultimately ride all day comfort wins out for me. If I had the cash id still have a blinged up Tamburini F4 as a garage ornament though
bogie said:
Great write up and on such a lovely bit of kit. MVs really take their tag line "motorcycle art" seriously and build some of the best looking bikes available.
They are surprisingly rare, probably less than a thousand in total on UK roads compared with Ducatis in the tens of thousands, and with all the niche limited editions they do each year this only helps reinforce the uniqueness
I have a Brutale 1090RR in the garage which I love riding, and every time I go in the dealers I drool over the F4 and F3 bikes, but ultimately ride all day comfort wins out for me. If I had the cash id still have a blinged up Tamburini F4 as a garage ornament though
Speaking to the dealer yesterday, who was remarkably open about the problems MV had suffered in the past such as parts availability, it seems they are doing their best to rebuild anew, if not entirely successful - as evidenced by the poster on here who rejected his Brutale Dragster earlier this week after a 7 week wait for a key. Apparently the mission is not to outsell Ducati, which would be nigh impossible given Ducati's aspirational brand status and larger dealer network, but to build their following and become known for their niche special models and limited editions. It does sound, if from that PH'ers experience that they're not quite there yet on parts, but apparently they are selling more units in other European countries than they are in Italy and they've installed two new production lines in their factory to meet the demand. I hope they get their stuff sorted as I'd love to see more of these on the roads. I've only ever seen an F3 in the wild, I've never seen an F4 apart from the one I rode yesterday.They are surprisingly rare, probably less than a thousand in total on UK roads compared with Ducatis in the tens of thousands, and with all the niche limited editions they do each year this only helps reinforce the uniqueness
I have a Brutale 1090RR in the garage which I love riding, and every time I go in the dealers I drool over the F4 and F3 bikes, but ultimately ride all day comfort wins out for me. If I had the cash id still have a blinged up Tamburini F4 as a garage ornament though
Tribal Chestnut said:
The fairing is a little fussy, but not ugly. What really ruins it a little for me is the ungainly tail/seat unit, much like most other modern bikes, eg Panigales, every gixxer (!) from the K5 onwards, etc, etc. I think it's the curve under the seat that really upsets things. Even the RSV4 looks wrong as it needs a bit more plastic under/behind your bottom to balance the aesthetics.
The pictures don't really do it just but when you get a look at it in real life, the way the exhaust forms the lines of the rear is rather remarkable. The big problem with the aftermarket systems is that they don't follow the curve so well and mess the lines up at the rear of the bike. Even worse when people fit little shorty exhaust, like this horror in this photo.
Now the back end looks unresolved, what a mess. I know what you mean about the Aprilia too, it's almost the bike without a back end, yet somehow I think they pull it off and in person it looks amazing.
lol, they also do twin pipe but it looks a little to bulky imo.
Mastodon2 said:
bogie said:
Great write up and on such a lovely bit of kit. MVs really take their tag line "motorcycle art" seriously and build some of the best looking bikes available.
They are surprisingly rare, probably less than a thousand in total on UK roads compared with Ducatis in the tens of thousands, and with all the niche limited editions they do each year this only helps reinforce the uniqueness
I have a Brutale 1090RR in the garage which I love riding, and every time I go in the dealers I drool over the F4 and F3 bikes, but ultimately ride all day comfort wins out for me. If I had the cash id still have a blinged up Tamburini F4 as a garage ornament though
Speaking to the dealer yesterday, who was remarkably open about the problems MV had suffered in the past such as parts availability, it seems they are doing their best to rebuild anew, if not entirely successful - as evidenced by the poster on here who rejected his Brutale Dragster earlier this week after a 7 week wait for a key. Apparently the mission is not to outsell Ducati, which would be nigh impossible given Ducati's aspirational brand status and larger dealer network, but to build their following and become known for their niche special models and limited editions. It does sound, if from that PH'ers experience that they're not quite there yet on parts, but apparently they are selling more units in other European countries than they are in Italy and they've installed two new production lines in their factory to meet the demand. I hope they get their stuff sorted as I'd love to see more of these on the roads. I've only ever seen an F3 in the wild, I've never seen an F4 apart from the one I rode yesterday.They are surprisingly rare, probably less than a thousand in total on UK roads compared with Ducatis in the tens of thousands, and with all the niche limited editions they do each year this only helps reinforce the uniqueness
I have a Brutale 1090RR in the garage which I love riding, and every time I go in the dealers I drool over the F4 and F3 bikes, but ultimately ride all day comfort wins out for me. If I had the cash id still have a blinged up Tamburini F4 as a garage ornament though
Its smart marketing not to go head to head with Ducati, and instead stay in their own niche, do the low volume thing. I heard they are really pushing the 3 cylinder bikes, maybe they had more stock of those to get out, or maybe that was just the sales guy with the tempting offers on the F4/B4 range
Arrow special parts in Italy make the MV Corse racing exhausts, and offer a cheaper range of their own, just in slightly different designs ...some of the full titanium systems are very nice, if a little expensive
I thought Ducati had a huge range of bling bits available, but MV are on another level....you can buy a nice used litre bike for the price of a titanium exhaust for the F4 !
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