Highside

[crofty1984]

I'll give you a couple of hundred quid for the bike!

[Mr OCD]

Parts prices here:

http://www.ronayersmotorcycles.com/fiche_select2.a...

I've found that simply changing the $ for a £ sign when speaking to Dealers isn't far off the mark.

I high sided my 5PW R1 at less than 30mph... it only needed fuel tank, nose cone, rear seat unit and a couple of small bits due to scuffs... bike was valued at £3100.

Cost of repair was in the region of £4,000, but importantly after such an accident the bike would never be the same.

Write if off to experience and go and buy a new one.

[bennyboysvuk]

Mr OCD said:

Parts prices here:

http://www.ronayersmotorcycles.com/fiche_select2.a...

I've found that simply changing the $ for a £ sign when speaking to Dealers isn't far off the mark.

I high sided my 5PW R1 at less than 30mph... it only needed fuel tank, nose cone, rear seat unit and a couple of small bits due to scuffs... bike was valued at £3100.

Cost of repair was in the region of £4,000, but importantly after such an accident the bike would never be the same.

Write if off to experience and go and buy a new one.

Thanks for the link. That's fascinating re the parts prices. I've selected tank and right side fairing and I'm nearly at £1500 already.

So in the likely event that it is written off...I've heard that the 2009 R1 is a great road bike, but given the nature of my off, perhaps an S1000RR with TC might be a good option. I think those are my initial thoughts/short list.

[LoonR1]

bennyboysvuk said:

Thanks for the link. That's fascinating re the parts prices. I've selected tank and right side fairing and I'm nearly at £1500 already.

So in the likely event that it is written off...I've heard that the 2009 R1 is a great road bike, but given the nature of my off, perhaps an S1000RR with TC might be a good option. I think those are my initial thoughts/short list.

Plenty of bikes have got TC, as have many cars. You can and will still crash in either. You can't defy the laws of physics, despite the views of many on here.

[curlie467]

LoonR1 said:

Plenty of bikes have got TC, as have many cars. You can and will still crash in either. You can't defy the laws of physics, despite the views of many on here.

That's bullst and you know it. TC saves lives.

[R1gtr]

At least you can go bike shopping now, and bin those leathers, they should not way have fallen to bits like that. You can get superb leathers for £500 these days, don't bother fixing the old ones.

[gwm]

curlie467 said:

LoonR1 said:

Plenty of bikes have got TC, as have many cars. You can and will still crash in either. You can't defy the laws of physics, despite the views of many on here.

That's bullst and you know it. TC saves lives.

And makes you faster on track.

[Baryonyx]

Shame about the bike, but at least you'll mend. Those leathers, dear me, they look like they've all the strength of wet tissue paper!

[Mr OCD]

bennyboysvuk said:

Thanks for the link. That's fascinating re the parts prices. I've selected tank and right side fairing and I'm nearly at £1500 already.

So in the likely event that it is written off...I've heard that the 2009 R1 is a great road bike, but given the nature of my off, perhaps an S1000RR with TC might be a good option. I think those are my initial thoughts/short list.

As Loon says TC isn't necessary the answer and won't rescue all eventualities ... so I wouldn't base your decision on a bike having such system as your primary criteria.

The 09 R1 > is a good road bike (they have TC from 2012 btw), but in all honesty any Superbike from that era is better than you or I... so it will come down to what you like and your budget.

[WaferThinHam]

40 mph and they look like that!? I'd never be buying Spyke again.

I've had three crashes in my leathers and they're still going strong. Last one was at 90-100 and they didn't need any panels replacing (Slide far enough to get quite warm before I tumbled gracefully across the grass).

[jhoneyball]

Dump the leathers. Seriously.

Also, if you are an unusual shape (like I am but in the other direction to you!), then save up/miss a holiday/put the money together and go to hide-out and have some custom leathers made up. The fit is incredible. The quality of the work is amazing. And they will last you a decade.

And although it is impossible to predict, I'd wager a decent beer or two that they would hold up better than the ones you had after 10 years.

Yes, I am aware its a *lot* of money. Impossibly so for a lot of people. But in the world of leathers I think you get what you pay for because fit is critical.

[Esceptico]

LoonR1 said:

bennyboysvuk said:

Thanks for the link. That's fascinating re the parts prices. I've selected tank and right side fairing and I'm nearly at £1500 already.

So in the likely event that it is written off...I've heard that the 2009 R1 is a great road bike, but given the nature of my off, perhaps an S1000RR with TC might be a good option. I think those are my initial thoughts/short list.

Plenty of bikes have got TC, as have many cars. You can and will still crash in either. You can't defy the laws of physics, despite the views of many on here.

TC doesn't stop all crashes but does prevent plenty. Same with ABS. You can't reduce your risk of crashing to zero (other than stop riding) but electronic aids reduce the risk. You might never need them....but if you do, you are glad to have them.

[WaferThinHam]

jhoneyball said:

Dump the leathers. Seriously.

Also, if you are an unusual shape (like I am but in the other direction to you!), then save up/miss a holiday/put the money together and go to hide-out and have some custom leathers made up. The fit is incredible. The quality of the work is amazing. And they will last you a decade.

And although it is impossible to predict, I'd wager a decent beer or two that they would hold up better than the ones you had after 10 years.

Yes, I am aware its a *lot* of money. Impossibly so for a lot of people. But in the world of leathers I think you get what you pay for because fit is critical.

I have Hideout leathers. As I say, three crashes and still going strong. Had them nearly 10 years.

[moto_traxport]

Flipping hell Ben, just read this - hope you get well soon / sort the bike.

Think you've got the same leathers as me from memory Spyke Big One. I've crashed in mine half a dozen times at speeds up to 100mph and they've coped okay. Some road surfaces are super coarse and conversely offer poor grip due to the contact area so comparing crash damage is always hard work.

It looks like you've had a initial impact on the shoulder and then your shoulder has been pulled out of the armoured foam "cup" and then ground away at the leather in front of the shoulder area. If it stayed in the armour i.e. the leathers were tighter across the shoulders (you still a skinny git?), it might have been better protected but possibly more likely to break bones.

Get back on an SV650 - more than fast enough on that!

[VonSenger]

LoonR1 said:

Plenty of bikes have got TC, as have many cars. You can and will still crash in either. You can't defy the laws of physics, despite the views of many on here.

Eh?

Twist throttle too much for the surface and conditions. TC or no TC? Let me think, which bike would I rather be on.

Other conditions such as on track, where talent comes into play, I might agree, on this occasion, given the information provided, TC please.

[LoonR1]

VonSenger said:

Eh?

Twist throttle too much for the surface and conditions. TC or no TC? Let me think, which bike would I rather be on.

Other conditions such as on track, where talent comes into play, I might agree, on this occasion, given the information provided, TC please.

I didn't say that you'd crash all the time, I said that they're not infallible. We don't know how far the OP pushed though. A wide open throttle on a slippy surface is unlikely to end well with or without TC.

[black-k1]

LoonR1 said:

VonSenger said:

Eh?

Twist throttle too much for the surface and conditions. TC or no TC? Let me think, which bike would I rather be on.

Other conditions such as on track, where talent comes into play, I might agree, on this occasion, given the information provided, TC please.

I didn't say that you'd crash all the time, I said that they're not infallible. We don't know how far the OP pushed though. A wide open throttle on a slippy surface is unlikely to end well with or without TC.

But it is much more likely to end well with TC than without!

Is TC going to mean you never crash? - NO!

Is TC going to significantly reduce the risk of crashing in the way the OP described? - YES!

[bennyboysvuk]

moto_traxport said:

Flipping hell Ben, just read this - hope you get well soon / sort the bike.

Think you've got the same leathers as me from memory Spyke Big One. I've crashed in mine half a dozen times at speeds up to 100mph and they've coped okay. Some road surfaces are super coarse and conversely offer poor grip due to the contact area so comparing crash damage is always hard work.

It looks like you've had a initial impact on the shoulder and then your shoulder has been pulled out of the armoured foam "cup" and then ground away at the leather in front of the shoulder area. If it stayed in the armour i.e. the leathers were tighter across the shoulders (you still a skinny git?), it might have been better protected but possibly more likely to break bones.

Get back on an SV650 - more than fast enough on that!

Thanks Jon. You're spot on regarding how the leathers wore through. I'm still tall and slim and I do wonder if my even older Spyke leathers (from when I really was super-slim) might have worked better since my shoulder would have stayed in the cup. I had a good look at the leathers last night and the tear in the shoulder goes from perforation to perforation so I do think a solid panel would have worked better.

I'm mending ok. Still a bit achy around the shoulder as I think I will be for a few days, but I'm getting there.

[bennyboysvuk]

LoonR1 said:

Plenty of bikes have got TC, as have many cars. You can and will still crash in either. You can't defy the laws of physics, despite the views of many on here.

I've always disliked TC in cars and never felt the need for it unless being really lazy and leaning on it in really slippery conditions.

However, having never ridden a bike with TC, I don't know if it would have saved me or not. From what I remember, the rear went so fast that the first thing I knew about it was that I was sliding down the road on my backside. I've no idea how modern bike TC deals with changing surface grip. Possibly as badly as I do.

[bennyboysvuk]

Mr OCD said:

As Loon says TC isn't necessary the answer and won't rescue all eventualities ... so I wouldn't base your decision on a bike having such system as your primary criteria.

The 09 R1 > is a good road bike (they have TC from 2012 btw), but in all honesty any Superbike from that era is better than you or I... so it will come down to what you like and your budget.

I'm really quite happy to have a bike without TC. I've had 10 years without incident after my racing days and 5 years on the road on the R1. The sound of the 09 R1 alone is making me think that it might be the way forward.