Racing Silly Season - Who's Going Where For 2017?

[FourWheelDrift]

Haslam making a return to the WSBK championships in Qatar riding a Pedercini Kawasaki.

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FourWheelDrift said:

Haslam making a return to the WSBK championships in Qatar riding a Pedercini Kawasaki.

With help from JG....

[egor110]

Bsb really need brookes then next year as without haslam shakey has it sewn up.

[theshrew]

I have no idea of the costs involved or the goings on behind the scenes. Just watching track side and on the TV I think BSB have it right. Simply because the racing is close. All the manufactures have been on the podium this year at some point I think. Surely that speaks for itself ?

Presumably the fact that Paul Bird has had factory backing has been a big factor in why the JG team has given up that's naughty, but unfortunately money talks in racing these days. As I said the other day I wouldn't be surprised if this was the beginning of a downslide for BSB ( I really hope I'm wrong )

On the other hand it would be great to see wild cards however I wouldn't want that instead of a good championship.

What I don't want is a best bike win like WSB. Presumably that's the reason these rules were put in place in the first place ?

[ZX10R NIN]

What do you think happens in BSB do you not think the best bike doesn't win? Take a look at WSB it's no coincidence that the PBM Panigale came on song at around the same time as it's WSB cousin.

[theshrew]

I know what you are saying and are correct. You wouldn't see a GSXR or BM coming anywhere near.

[egor110]

theshrew said:

I know what you are saying and are correct. You wouldn't see a GSXR or BM coming anywhere near.

surely as a fan you want more than 1 big team ?

if haslam goes back to wsbk next year and brookes doesn't get a ride who exactly is going to challenge shakey?

[theshrew]

egor110 said:

surely as a fan you want more than 1 big team ?

if haslam goes back to wsbk next year and brookes doesn't get a ride who exactly is going to challenge shakey?

Haslam is doing one race, the next race. Although there might be more to it.

I want everyone to have a chance ( Within reason ) which is as far as I'm aware theses rule got brought into bsb.

What I'm saying is PB is fking it up by taking it to factory level. Not all the teams can get that backing. If you can't compete to win what's the point.

[Fleegle]

egor110 said:

surely as a fan you want more than 1 big team ?

if haslam goes back to wsbk next year and brookes doesn't get a ride who exactly is going to challenge shakey?

It's not going to be Bridewell

[Gavia]

The issue for me isn't the factory backing, or money side of things, it's the extra 30% engine capacity that the Ducati has. I know V twins aren't allowed to be as highly tuned, but it just reminds me of the Norton rotary engines back in the 90s, where they were so much faster the riders had to roll off to avoid looking too obvious.

Still, it'll be interesting to see who ends up in what team, rather than just the rumours (taken word for word from BSN) at the moment.

[theshrew]

Gavia said:

The issue for me isn't the factory backing, or money side of things, it's the extra 30% engine capacity that the Ducati has. I know V twins aren't allowed to be as highly tuned, but it just reminds me of the Norton rotary engines back in the 90s, where they were so much faster the riders had to roll off to avoid looking too obvious.

The rotary Norton with Ron Haslam = My bike hero as much as Senna is my car hero

[George29]

Gavia said:

The issue for me isn't the factory backing, or money side of things, it's the extra 30% engine capacity that the Ducati has. I know V twins aren't allowed to be as highly tuned, but it just reminds me of the Norton rotary engines back in the 90s, where they were so much faster the riders had to roll off to avoid looking too obvious.

They have 20% extra CC. Ducati still make the 1199R for racing purposes, they don't use the 1299

[ZX10R NIN]

Gavia said:

The issue for me isn't the factory backing, or money side of things, it's the extra 30% engine capacity that the Ducati has. I know V twins aren't allowed to be as highly tuned, but it just reminds me of the Norton rotary engines back in the 90s, where they were so much faster the riders had to roll off to avoid looking too obvious.

Still, it'll be interesting to see who ends up in what team, rather than just the rumours (taken word for word from BSN) at the moment.

It's not the extra capacity as it's no coincidence that the best result the other Ducati got was 6th, the BSB rules actually stop teams being more competitive when you could buy an Althea spec BMW or Roma Racing Aprilia (there are a good number of privateers that run these competitively in CIV) rather than having to develop your bike which is always costly.

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I thought the basic electronics deal was to reduce cost ? Has this cost been replaced by hours of dyno work ?

[ZX10R NIN]

I'm not going to say how, but next time you watch a wet race if you listen you can hear that the engines don't sound quite right but as they start to get on the fatter part of the tyre they then run cleaner.
It's all within the rules but it takes a lot of setting up which can really only be done with track times as well as having a Data Engineer & electronics specialist.

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ZX10R NIN said:

I'm not going to say how, but next time you watch a wet race if you listen you can hear that the engines don't sound quite right but as they start to get on the fatter part of the tyre they then run cleaner.
It's all within the rules but it takes a lot of setting up which can really only be done with track times as well as having a Data Engineer & electronics specialist.

So the more testing the better, is that what you are saying ?

Im not trying to pick a fight here, just trying to understand why folks arent happy with current BSB regs as I thought they worked well.

[Tango13]

ZX10R NIN said:

I'm not going to say how, but next time you watch a wet race if you listen you can hear that the engines don't sound quite right but as they start to get on the fatter part of the tyre they then run cleaner.
It's all within the rules but it takes a lot of setting up which can really only be done with track times as well as having a Data Engineer & electronics specialist.

Well if you know what gear the bike is in, compare that to the revs it's pulling Vs speed and knowing that the rolling radius of a tyre diminishes as you lean over...

[ZX10R NIN]

Very true but I've never leant a bike over & it run on 3 or extra lean depending on how many degrees your leant over.

[George29]

ZX10R NIN said:

I'm not going to say how, but next time you watch a wet race if you listen you can hear that the engines don't sound quite right but as they start to get on the fatter part of the tyre they then run cleaner.
It's all within the rules but it takes a lot of setting up which can really only be done with track times as well as having a Data Engineer & electronics specialist.

Isn't it to do with the throttle map on the ride by wire throttle? When I saw PBM testing at the start of the year they said Shakey was trying out loads of variations of them

[Gavia]

Lincsblokey said:

Gavia said:

We've now lost two of the top three teams from BSB in the past two seasons

Make that three. Further news to break this week.

It's all a farce. MSH has done right by bsb and anyone that understands how the series actually works would rightly also walk away given the st he's had.

Tommy hills team also in jeopardy, as SH has had his mitts into epayme and having them move teams.

Yes to haslam moving to bournemouth kwak. Risky move though. Guinters to hawk Suzuki, Brooke's likely now to tyco, but things are so fluid it's unreal. All hinges on haslam putting pen to paper (contrary to popular belief, he hasn't actually got a contract with kwak, they just want him to stay as lead rider) and then guigliano, Brookes & guinters signing.

Any news? Haven't seen or heard anything