Racing Silly Season - Who's Going Where For 2017?
Discussion
FourWheelDrift said:
Smrz & Mainwaring at Smiths BMW - http://www.crash.net/bsb/news/225575/1/smrz-mainwa...
Bit disappointed they're jacking in their supersport team, wonder where Gowland will end up.SMR with Brookes and Abraham confirmed WSB on BMWs - http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/225585/1/brookes-ab...
FourWheelDrift said:
SMR with Brookes and Abraham confirmed WSB on BMWs - http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/225585/1/brookes-ab...
Im guessing Daddy Abraham has long arms......FourWheelDrift said:
SMR with Brookes and Abraham confirmed WSB on BMWs - http://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/225585/1/brookes-ab...
Makes BSB interesting as they've lost one of the top tier teams. With PBM switching to Ducati, I wonder where the competition is going to be from. If PBM who have Ducati history have that bike sorted, it could be a bit of a whitewash for Shakey.LoonR1 said:
Tyco BMW have a strong line up, GM Moto are always strong, Halsall have got a new Suzuki to play with and a reasonable line up, the Tommy Hill R1 team could Spring a surprise (although I'm not convinced).
My money would be going on Ellison this year.
Top three of Ellison, Laverty and Byrne.My money would be going on Ellison this year.
In that order I reckon (if Ellison can avoid injury).
LoonR1 said:
Tyco BMW have a strong line up, GM Moto are always strong, Halsall have got a new Suzuki to play with and a reasonable line up, the Tommy Hill R1 team could Spring a surprise (although I'm not convinced).
My money would be going on Ellison this year.
I wouldn't expect to see the new GSXR in race trim until next year if the road bikes aren't expected until July 16?My money would be going on Ellison this year.
WaferThinHam said:
LoonR1 said:
Tyco BMW have a strong line up, GM Moto are always strong, Halsall have got a new Suzuki to play with and a reasonable line up, the Tommy Hill R1 team could Spring a surprise (although I'm not convinced).
My money would be going on Ellison this year.
I wouldn't expect to see the new GSXR in race trim until next year if the road bikes aren't expected until July 16?My money would be going on Ellison this year.
I think my money will go on hopkins, he's motivated and he's on the best bike ( from the 2015 season)
WaferThinHam said:
I wouldn't expect to see the new GSXR in race trim until next year if the road bikes aren't expected until July 16?
I'd be shocked to see them use the old bike. Suzuki will have done a small run of 100 - 200 bikes as a test run and these form the basis of the show bikes, launch bikes, race bikes etc. The fact that they appear to have jiggled around their normal schedules and pushing the button on the 30,000 (or whatever) road bikes in Spring won't hold them up, surely?Edited by moto_traxport on Thursday 3rd December 10:43
moto_traxport said:
I'd be shocked to see them use the old bike. Suzuki will have done a small run of 100 - 200 bikes as a test run and these form the basis of the show bikes, launch bikes, race bikes etc. The fact that they appear to have jiggled around their normal schedules and pushing the button on the 30,000 (or whatever) road bikes in Spring won't hold them up, surely?
True, but with no WSBK plans and BSB being small fry to a Japanese factory, they genuinely might not be able to get a half finished bike ready for January. I mean does the VVT and advanced TC actually exist and work well on the bike? We only have Suzuki to tell us that it does....with delivery expected in July they still have 6 months to sort it, however if they're going to punt out a few bikes for BSB (unlikely) it cuts their development time massively. Edited by moto_traxport on Thursday 3rd December 10:43
WaferThinHam said:
moto_traxport said:
I'd be shocked to see them use the old bike. Suzuki will have done a small run of 100 - 200 bikes as a test run and these form the basis of the show bikes, launch bikes, race bikes etc. The fact that they appear to have jiggled around their normal schedules and pushing the button on the 30,000 (or whatever) road bikes in Spring won't hold them up, surely?
True, but with no WSBK plans and BSB being small fry to a Japanese factory, they genuinely might not be able to get a half finished bike ready for January. I mean does the VVT and advanced TC actually exist and work well on the bike? We only have Suzuki to tell us that it does....with delivery expected in July they still have 6 months to sort it, however if they're going to punt out a few bikes for BSB (unlikely) it cuts their development time massively. Edited by moto_traxport on Thursday 3rd December 10:43
Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
moto_traxport said:
You may be right. The Japanese factories always used to knock out a few hundred for the launch & shows etched and then make the main batch in January which corresponded nicely with arriving by boat for us lot and arriving by air for those impatient racer types.
Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
I hope you're right. It'd be nice to see them being semi-competitive. Any ideas how VVT fits into the BSB rules?Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
WaferThinHam said:
moto_traxport said:
You may be right. The Japanese factories always used to knock out a few hundred for the launch & shows etched and then make the main batch in January which corresponded nicely with arriving by boat for us lot and arriving by air for those impatient racer types.
Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
I hope you're right. It'd be nice to see them being semi-competitive. Any ideas how VVT fits into the BSB rules?Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
One thing has to be said for BSB is the bending over backwards to make the regs fit the bikes rather than the other way round (I'm thinking 09-14 R1 and the ever loosening knot on the Panigale).
moto_traxport said:
WaferThinHam said:
moto_traxport said:
You may be right. The Japanese factories always used to knock out a few hundred for the launch & shows etched and then make the main batch in January which corresponded nicely with arriving by boat for us lot and arriving by air for those impatient racer types.
Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
I hope you're right. It'd be nice to see them being semi-competitive. Any ideas how VVT fits into the BSB rules?Cannot follow this whole 'it's a 2017 model' thing so it might not be fully finished. I'm convinced most of the hardware would be and it's the final spec of electronics might be still be being tweaked. That still enough for a BSB team with their spec ECU. I wasn't aware there was no Suzuki in WSBK next year (finger on the pulse me!) but I would have thought chucking a few bikes into BSB would help them develop it.
One thing has to be said for BSB is the bending over backwards to make the regs fit the bikes rather than the other way round (I'm thinking 09-14 R1 and the ever loosening knot on the Panigale).
moto_traxport said:
VVT is nice on a road bike for midrange. Not sure what BSB rules are on camshafts but you want 10 to 14k correct for a racer.
Agree, but with VVT you could tune it in high rpms for even great efficiently. Suspect the rules will just say that cams have to be fixed, and thus removing it from being an issue and they'll just run kit race cams. neelyp said:
LoonR1 said:
Jenny Tinmouth is staying put with Honda.
Cue lots of arguments about her not deserving the seat and so on.
Nobody had better dis MTB's chick.Cue lots of arguments about her not deserving the seat and so on.
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