Racing Silly Season - Who's Going Where For 2017?

Racing Silly Season - Who's Going Where For 2017?

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ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Tuesday 18th October 2016
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Lincsblokey said:
Make that three. Further news to break this week.

It's all a farce. MSH has done right by bsb and anyone that understands how the series actually works would rightly also walk away given the st he's had.

Tommy hills team also in jeopardy, as SH has had his mitts into epayme and having them move teams.

Yes to haslam moving to bournemouth kwak. Risky move though. Guinters to hawk Suzuki, Brooke's likely now to tyco, but things are so fluid it's unreal. All hinges on haslam putting pen to paper (contrary to popular belief, he hasn't actually got a contract with kwak, they just want him to stay as lead rider) and then guigliano, Brookes & guinters signing.
I'm mainly involved in CEV/CIV & Road Racing when I have come into the BSB paddock I find it a very frustrating between JP & SH they are sucking the life out of BSB.

The rules package makes it hard work before when you could wildcard in a European round of WSB with no major changes needed now you'd have to pretty much have to have a different bike.

Between JP & the BRDC they're going all out to make sure Donnington doesn't get anymore established than it is (for me this circuit always produces the best racing) as for the Circuit of Wales despite it possibly being one of the best circuit in the UK it was doomed to fail because between these two they would never let this circuit get established.

I don't understand how CEV/CIV as supposed lesser Championships can give their riders a minimum of 150 euros (this is the minimum you get as long as you complete a racing lap) the fuel is also cheaper than you can get on the forecourt as well as decent prize money for the top 3 privateers.

Trying to take sponsorship from race teams & trying to pull them in as championship sponsor is a bullst move along with trying to push sponsors to his more favoured teams again is BS.

On the flipside he has helped certain riders out.

WaferThinHam

1,680 posts

129 months

Tuesday 18th October 2016
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Lincsblokey said:
Make that three. Further news to break this week.

It's all a farce. MSH has done right by bsb and anyone that understands how the series actually works would rightly also walk away given the st he's had.

Tommy hills team also in jeopardy, as SH has had his mitts into epayme and having them move teams.

Yes to haslam moving to bournemouth kwak. Risky move though. Guinters to hawk Suzuki, Brooke's likely now to tyco, but things are so fluid it's unreal. All hinges on haslam putting pen to paper (contrary to popular belief, he hasn't actually got a contract with kwak, they just want him to stay as lead rider) and then guigliano, Brookes & guinters signing.
Halsall sacking it off?

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

154 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
Lincsblokey said:
Make that three. Further news to break this week.

It's all a farce. MSH has done right by bsb and anyone that understands how the series actually works would rightly also walk away given the st he's had.

Tommy hills team also in jeopardy, as SH has had his mitts into epayme and having them move teams.

Yes to haslam moving to bournemouth kwak. Risky move though. Guinters to hawk Suzuki, Brooke's likely now to tyco, but things are so fluid it's unreal. All hinges on haslam putting pen to paper (contrary to popular belief, he hasn't actually got a contract with kwak, they just want him to stay as lead rider) and then guigliano, Brookes & guinters signing.
I'm mainly involved in CEV/CIV & Road Racing when I have come into the BSB paddock I find it a very frustrating between JP & SH they are sucking the life out of BSB.

The rules package makes it hard work before when you could wildcard in a European round of WSB with no major changes needed now you'd have to pretty much have to have a different bike.

Between JP & the BRDC they're going all out to make sure Donnington doesn't get anymore established than it is (for me this circuit always produces the best racing) as for the Circuit of Wales despite it possibly being one of the best circuit in the UK it was doomed to fail because between these two they would never let this circuit get established.

I don't understand how CEV/CIV as supposed lesser Championships can give their riders a minimum of 150 euros (this is the minimum you get as long as you complete a racing lap) the fuel is also cheaper than you can get on the forecourt as well as decent prize money for the top 3 privateers.

Trying to take sponsorship from race teams & trying to pull them in as championship sponsor is a bullst move along with trying to push sponsors to his more favoured teams again is BS.

On the flipside he has helped certain riders out.
The whole series stinks. Backhanders, bent rules, heirarchy that resemble the third reich, its a joke.

No help for youngsters, loads of help for certain teams that dont even need it, no prize money, extortionate prices for tyres made of cheese that fall to pieces after 4 laps, fuel that costs that much you have to sell your house to pay for, and its no better than pump fuel, downright scandalous control ecu costs (and the set charge to hire a motec engineer)

I could go on for days.

At some point, once the series is on its arse, msvr will walk away, pockets stuffed full and leaving the bombsite left behind. And fknows what happens then, as the ACU couldnt run a piss up in an already laid out brewery

John D.

17,706 posts

208 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Still better to watch the WSB.

egor110

16,818 posts

202 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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John D. said:
Still better to watch the WSB.
True but if your a team owner it's not exactly a tempting scene that's been set.

And if more big teams drop out then we just end up with the pbm shakey show which isn't something anyone wants.

Turn7

23,502 posts

220 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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John D. said:
Still better to watch the WSB.
Not sure, I enjoy BSB a lot, and WSB coverage just isnt the same.

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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I keep missing the Saturday race, preferred 2 on Sunday.

John D.

17,706 posts

208 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Turn7 said:
John D. said:
Still better to watch the WSB.
Not sure, I enjoy BSB a lot, and WSB coverage just isnt the same.
I actually meant better than WSB!

I much prefer BSB. Think it's the tracks.

George29

14,706 posts

163 months

Wednesday 19th October 2016
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Yonny Hernandez to AGR Moto2 team

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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Lincsblokey said:
The whole series stinks. Backhanders, bent rules, heirarchy that resemble the third reich, its a joke.

No help for youngsters, loads of help for certain teams that dont even need it, no prize money, extortionate prices for tyres made of cheese that fall to pieces after 4 laps, fuel that costs that much you have to sell your house to pay for, and its no better than pump fuel, downright scandalous control ecu costs (and the set charge to hire a motec engineer)

I could go on for days.

At some point, once the series is on its arse, msvr will walk away, pockets stuffed full and leaving the bombsite left behind. And fknows what happens then, as the ACU couldnt run a piss up in an already laid out brewery
beer I completely agree with you, the scary thing is SH is trying to get involved in Road Racing now (lord help us) just look at the deliberate ploy to show as few of the Superstock 1000 races as possible (the grids are to full & the racing is closer) in 2017 they'll be even more full as I know of two current BSB teams who are going to have one Superbike but run two Superstocks as it's more cost effective.

What should be happening is that ex WSB's should be getting filtered down to BSB teams which would help their budget no end as well as giving them access to good setup (the bigger teams will always buy new machinery) therefore closer to the front which would enhance the show but that's the last thing SH would want.

By the way Hicky has a couple of options for the Roads in 2017.

stourbridges2tvr

395 posts

209 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
By the way Hicky has a couple of options for the Roads in 2017.
Thought Hicky was sorted already for the roads with SMT.

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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stourbridges2tvr said:
ZX10R NIN said:
By the way Hicky has a couple of options for the Roads in 2017.
Thought Hicky was sorted already for the roads with SMT.
Isn't that just the Macau race that he's signed up for with SMT?

George29

14,706 posts

163 months

Thursday 20th October 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
beer I completely agree with you, the scary thing is SH is trying to get involved in Road Racing now (lord help us) just look at the deliberate ploy to show as few of the Superstock 1000 races as possible (the grids are to full & the racing is closer) in 2017 they'll be even more full as I know of two current BSB teams who are going to have one Superbike but run two Superstocks as it's more cost effective.
Weren't there rumours of there being 2 superstock 1000 races per meeting next year? It makes much more sense to me since superstock 1000 is as much, if not more, of a feeder series to Superbikes than supersport.

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I think they're considering it because at present they have considerably more Superstock entries than Superbike.

egor110

16,818 posts

202 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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ZX10R NIN said:
I think they're considering it because at present they have considerably more Superstock entries than Superbike.
If they changed the superbike spec and dumbed it down to superstock would anyone care ?

It would be cheaper for teams, i don't think fans would be bothered either.

Bsb seems a waste of time as it the regs don't follow wsbk so what's the point of bsb rules ?

Dumb it down to superstock 1000 and fill the grid or go up to wsbk regs then at least teams can move up to wsbk with data.

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

154 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Not 2 superstock races as such, but a return to the old style Non Qualifiers race, top few get a go in the race proper.

They won't change the rules, too much 'invested' in bsb.

It's the same reason they won't do the sensible thing and use FIM rules for superstock. A stocker with kit ecu & loom would, more than likely, be faster than a bsb spec superbike.

Higgs just needs to swallow his pride (instead of Palmers offerings) and make the whole lot the same spec as wsbk.

Yeah Nin, I've heard the rumours of Msvr putting a tender in to run TT if this vision nine thing fails. Would be the death knell of the TT for sure!

ZX10R NIN

27,494 posts

124 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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I know they deliberately changed the rules after JP fell out with the Flammini brothers so between SH & himself they took BSB down this dead end path.

As you say Lincs bring us into line with Dorna & run to WSB regs there's lots of data out there for them they'll cost less to make competitive as well as reintroducing wild cards.
The Superstock WSB bikes are on a par with the BSB bikes from the top 6 down, I still feel there's a place for full on Superbikes in the UK but we need to go to WSB Spec which would mean more riders on competitive machinery whilst at the same time means those same riders wouldn't need to bring as much cash to the table to get the ride which means the teams have more options on what riders they want which means new talent has a better chance of breaking through, I'm not saying the guys in BSB don't have talent as they have but with more options it means a more diverse field..

The tentacles are already having an influence on the roads with the banning of WSB/WSS engines last year which was a joke as the BSB engines cost more rolleyes to buy/tune for small/privateer teams these extra costs aren't easy to absorb.

No Hickys deal is only for Macau only, Hutchy is pushing for a BSB Roads Deal.

FredericRobinson

3,668 posts

231 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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What sort of numbers of riders are getting paid by the teams in BSB rather than having to bring money? 7/8?

Turn7

23,502 posts

220 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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Id be surprised if its as hogh as that tbh.

Gavia

7,627 posts

90 months

Friday 21st October 2016
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This is a guess, reasonably educated, but still a bit of a guess and I'm sure someone will be along to quote exact figures soon enough

Byrne & Haslam big earners

Ellison, Hopkins next level down

The rest will either be paid a small amount, but still need to work in the offseason e.g. Bridewell

Or ride for free, but not need to bring money in Rispoli

Others have to bring money to the teams

Some of the more well known names will be funded either by a manfacturer, or MSVR as a "sponsored" ride.

I don't think many will be making a living from it, certainly not enough to see them through life after racing as well.