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RemaL

24,967 posts

233 months

Sunday 30th August 2015
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Holy fk

Undinist

200 posts

138 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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CM is just a small, monthly demo. It doesn't ask for permission as there is no official organiser. But it's still a demo. Central London has demos and parades and security stuff closing roads every week. No need to make even the slightest fuss when it happens, or try to ride through the demo. Just grow up and take another route, it's not as if you're short of them in London, and on a bike you'll be delayed by all of 30 seconds.

I've been to CM as a cyclist twice and stopped going because I don't like the confrontation. But I understand why some cyclists are so passionate about it. Try cycling in central London and you might understand too.

bgunn

1,416 posts

130 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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It's very hard to control oneself against self righteous twonks, whatever vehicle they drive/ride, but I do see a depressing increase in this bicycle nazism in London; most depressing of all is that I find a lot seem to really have it in for motorbikes.

If they spent more of their time observing what's around them, they wouldn't be getting squashed by HGVs!

Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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I've just spent 15 mins watching YouTube clips.

It all looks a little tragic. They all get so excited when they see they've been able to create some confrontation. it's almost like a race to see who can be the 'hero' that stands infront of a car or van and then many of them are very quick to throw a few kicks or thumps at it. Maybe it started as a genuine protest, but it looks like an excuse to antagonise everyone and maybe get into a bit of 20 vs 1 bullying.

bgunn

1,416 posts

130 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Hungrymc said:
I've just spent 15 mins watching YouTube clips.

It all looks a little tragic. They all get so excited when they see they've been able to create some confrontation. it's almost like a race to see who can be the 'hero' that stands infront of a car or van and then many of them are very quick to throw a few kicks or thumps at it. Maybe it started as a genuine protest, but it looks like an excuse to antagonise everyone and maybe get into a bit of 20 vs 1 bullying.
Thing is, they're asking for someone who drives a big white transit van (no stereotypes, of course!) with, shall we say, less inhibition, to just drive right over them. Doesn't really matter how many of you there is in a group, it's not going to end well if you antagonise the driver of a larger vehicle..

Ahh, one has to love living in London, where for every 20 genuine cyclists who just don't want to die, there has to be one fking moron who wants to beat his chest and 'push' people around.

3DP

9,912 posts

233 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Undinist said:
CM is just a small, monthly demo. It doesn't ask for permission as there is no official organiser. But it's still a demo. Central London has demos and parades and security stuff closing roads every week. No need to make even the slightest fuss when it happens, or try to ride through the demo. Just grow up and take another route, it's not as if you're short of them in London, and on a bike you'll be delayed by all of 30 seconds.

I've been to CM as a cyclist twice and stopped going because I don't like the confrontation. But I understand why some cyclists are so passionate about it. Try cycling in central London and you might understand too.
It's not a demo, it's a bunch of s getting away with being s whilst trying to push stressed people beyond their limit in order to GoPro themselves being assaulted for youtube. All the time, they are anonymous with no number plate, insurance etc.

Anyone participating in this is a . Anyone condoning their actions is a . To be clear, that makes you a double .

bgunn

1,416 posts

130 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Undinist said:
Try cycling in central London and you might understand too.
There's no excuse for impeding other people's progress through the choked streets of the city. I'm afraid to say that in 90% of cases, those cyclists who feel 'wronged' have generally committed some sort of ridiculous riding that only serves to ps off everyone around them.

Jonjo91

1,833 posts

157 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Mastodon2

13,818 posts

164 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Undinist said:
CM is just a small, monthly demo. It doesn't ask for permission as there is no official organiser. But it's still a demo. Central London has demos and parades and security stuff closing roads every week. No need to make even the slightest fuss when it happens, or try to ride through the demo. Just grow up and take another route, it's not as if you're short of them in London, and on a bike you'll be delayed by all of 30 seconds.

I've been to CM as a cyclist twice and stopped going because I don't like the confrontation. But I understand why some cyclists are so passionate about it. Try cycling in central London and you might understand too.
Sounds like you'd have to be a total c*nt to take part in that.

RemyMartin

6,759 posts

204 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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3DP said:
Undinist said:
CM is just a small, monthly demo. It doesn't ask for permission as there is no official organiser. But it's still a demo. Central London has demos and parades and security stuff closing roads every week. No need to make even the slightest fuss when it happens, or try to ride through the demo. Just grow up and take another route, it's not as if you're short of them in London, and on a bike you'll be delayed by all of 30 seconds.

I've been to CM as a cyclist twice and stopped going because I don't like the confrontation. But I understand why some cyclists are so passionate about it. Try cycling in central London and you might understand too.
It's not a demo, it's a bunch of s getting away with being s whilst trying to push stressed people beyond their limit in order to GoPro themselves being assaulted for youtube. All the time, they are anonymous with no number plate, insurance etc.

Anyone participating in this is a . Anyone condoning their actions is a . To be clear, that makes you a double .
I love my cycling be it mountain bike in the woods or road bike and lycra. Never heard of critical mass before. I consider myself a calm person but those videos oosted in the other thread are a total piss boiler. Suprised some less calm person has just ploughed through them.

Total s. As much to do with the 'cycling fraternity' as gun toting motorbike gangs are to motorbikes.

LimaDelta

6,507 posts

217 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Maybe the IDF will let you borrow one of these for the next CM?


okgo

37,857 posts

197 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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The only thing impeding progress in London on a daily basis is cars, lets just make that clear. Cars are to blame for everything that is a shambles in London in regards to traffic, and buses, but at least they're carrying more than a couple of people.

okgo

37,857 posts

197 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Are you actually debating that? Seriously? You think anything other than motorised traffic (motorbikes excluded) is to blame for London traffic? Just how thick are you?

okgo

37,857 posts

197 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC

ffs....

okgo

37,857 posts

197 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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anonymous said:
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Vans, HGV's whatever, they're in with cars, motorised traffic that isn't two wheeled. Pedestrians require crossings, yes, beyond that they cause almost no issue, the issue is the endless traffic jams which is a result of 4 wheeled motorised traffic, space inefficient, have you ever gone into work before everyone else does, most crossings will still stop you beyond ped crossings, but because there are no other cars the journey takes almost no time at all.

My 15 mile journey by push bike takes minutes less during school holidays because there are fewer cars clogging the roads up, I can't believe that you think anything other than motorised 4 wheel traffic is the issue with London congestion, its staggering someone could think it was to do with anything else, why on earth do you think the congestion charge is there and going to keep going up, its to deter people from driving/or make money from the ones that still want to. Next time you're on your bike, at a major junction, count up the cyclists, I'd say on a sunny day at Vauxhall bridge there may be 40 waiting to set off, doesn't take a genius to see that 40 cyclists fit in a 20 foot long box, yet 40 cars stretch a long way back...


Hungrymc

6,642 posts

136 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Yep, so because motorised vehicles are the main factor in London traffic, let's all go out and just decide to stop everyone by clogging the roads up for the sake of it, and by standing in front of them with knees touching bumpers, getting all aggressive (because we're in a big gang), and generally behave like thugs and bullies.

While 99% of cyclists and motorists I come across are well intentioned and trying their best. The CM nonsence does nothing to promote cyclists and only presents them very badly.


okgo

37,857 posts

197 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Yes, but the bigger picture is what I am getting at, CM while idiotic is just what happens daily due to the motorised traffic in London.

creampuff

6,511 posts

142 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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okgo said:
I'd say on a sunny day at Vauxhall bridge there may be 40 waiting to set off, doesn't take a genius to see that 40 cyclists fit in a 20 foot long box, yet 40 cars stretch a long way back...
Perhaps so. OTOH on any given day at say, the Cycle Superhighway around Millbank and you will find very few cyclists but an entire traffic lane which used to be available for all traffic, now devoted to cyclists who aren't there.

Cycle infrastructure causes congestion in London because it takes limited and valuable road space from vehicles which must be there, such as delivery vehicles, courier vehicles, buses and taxis. How many times have I been on a bus which just gets even slower as it has to travel at the speed of the slowest cyclist in the bus lane.

Heavy underground rail is good for moving large numbers of people. Bicycles aren't.

creampuff

6,511 posts

142 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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okgo said:
Yes, but the bigger picture is what I am getting at, CM while idiotic is just what happens daily due to the motorised traffic in London.
There is no bigger picture. Traffic on London streets brings economic benefit to the operators of the vehicles and to the other people who live in London, who get to consume goods transported by road or use services provided by people who travel to work by road. OTOH Critical Mass are just a bunch of aggressive idiots bent on confrontation and blocking this up for everybody, including other cyclists.

okgo

37,857 posts

197 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Cars will lose this battle, its happening already, soon it will be pointless driving in London. We will find a way to deal with deliveries or whatever else 'needs' to be there, but I dare say its likely a lot easier than you think and actually there are quite a few vehicles that do not need to be there.

Cycling accounts for 20% of London traffic I think now, so yes, that is a significant portion of people not clogging up an already creaking rail network, and its only growing, which will accelerate with infrastructure, which is happening now, as you say.