police hide a speed camera inside a tractor!
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agtlaw said:
I have a client who was caught at 79 mph on a 70 limit motorway by a speed-camera man in a tractor. Shall I send him your way?
Anyone doing 31mph yet? I may well be in touch shortly after a camera on the M25 flashed me on Sunday night at what was probably close to 100, if not above. Oops. lengster said:
In the local newspaper article they claim it's cheaper than marked vehicle ops!
Get an FOI request in asking specific questions around the cost to purchase, or lease. The cost to maintain etc, then involve your MP around miss allocation of resources. In a rural environment like that it shouldn't be hard to get a few farmers inside who've had stuff stolen amd had no attempt to solve the crime by the police. Money has still been spent though and tying cash up in an unnecessary asset isn't ideal when your business is cash poor. I know I don't need to tell you that though
Even short term hiring is still spend and if they were to claim the increased revenue then that's naughty, as I'm sure there's a rule around not being allowed to budget for that income (or is that councils and parking fines?). Either way it could be possibly be viewed as entrapment or poor practice or something to embarass them with.
Even short term hiring is still spend and if they were to claim the increased revenue then that's naughty, as I'm sure there's a rule around not being allowed to budget for that income (or is that councils and parking fines?). Either way it could be possibly be viewed as entrapment or poor practice or something to embarass them with.
Edited by LoonR1 on Wednesday 30th September 07:52
LoonR1 said:
Well having just watched the Look North (Humberside / Lincolnshire) it looks like it's time for me to eat humble pie amd admit I was wrong. Based on what's been seen on there. They used the words "Humberside police have confirmed that they are using the tractor" or words to that effect. I'm intrigued though. I take it that one of lengster, or chillo are the "angry biker" who took the photos. It's done nut that needs this sledgehammer to crack it.
I find it completely bizarre that they're doing this though and still think there is huge mileage in asking the Chief Constable to justify the spend on the tractor. An FOI request asking about ex spend on that and the horse is should suitably embarrass them for a start, along with a request to your MP and maybe a few local farmers who have had plant stolen to have a discussion with him about priorities on spend.
At least, some humble pie.I find it completely bizarre that they're doing this though and still think there is huge mileage in asking the Chief Constable to justify the spend on the tractor. An FOI request asking about ex spend on that and the horse is should suitably embarrass them for a start, along with a request to your MP and maybe a few local farmers who have had plant stolen to have a discussion with him about priorities on spend.
Thanks.
LoonR1 said:
lengster said:
In the local newspaper article they claim it's cheaper than marked vehicle ops!
Get an FOI request in asking specific questions around the cost to purchase, or lease. The cost to maintain etc, then involve your MP around miss allocation of resources. In a rural environment like that it shouldn't be hard to get a few farmers inside who've had stuff stolen amd had no attempt to solve the crime by the police. black-k1 said:
Those FOI questions won't give the "financial justification". Because a marked vehicle will be spotted, people (particularly bikers) will warn on coming traffic that the speed camera is there thus the number of victims is reduced. With the unmarked vehicle, no one will be pre-warned thus a higher number of tickets, meaning the cost per ticket issued is lower. That'll be the financial justification.
Who gets that money? There is no financial justification in spending your budget raising money that then goes somewhere else and you then have to bid to get a share of the national pot. If they can get away with this then I wouldn't be surprised if we see (or don't see!) this a lot more.
As has been said, the revenue generated will probably be all the 'justification' they need.
Oh, and as much as I like to see Loon get grief, I think the 'Goon' tag has run its course
As has been said, the revenue generated will probably be all the 'justification' they need.
Oh, and as much as I like to see Loon get grief, I think the 'Goon' tag has run its course
LoonR1 said:
black-k1 said:
Those FOI questions won't give the "financial justification". Because a marked vehicle will be spotted, people (particularly bikers) will warn on coming traffic that the speed camera is there thus the number of victims is reduced. With the unmarked vehicle, no one will be pre-warned thus a higher number of tickets, meaning the cost per ticket issued is lower. That'll be the financial justification.
Who gets that money? There is no financial justification in spending your budget raising money that then goes somewhere else and you then have to bid to get a share of the national pot. black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
black-k1 said:
Those FOI questions won't give the "financial justification". Because a marked vehicle will be spotted, people (particularly bikers) will warn on coming traffic that the speed camera is there thus the number of victims is reduced. With the unmarked vehicle, no one will be pre-warned thus a higher number of tickets, meaning the cost per ticket issued is lower. That'll be the financial justification.
Who gets that money? There is no financial justification in spending your budget raising money that then goes somewhere else and you then have to bid to get a share of the national pot. The whole can of worms comes from the accident statistics and these may or may not be affected by this crude & lazy form of policing.
I really wish that the ABD/Inst of Adv Drivers/Motorcyclists should seek proof that there is direct correlation between Speed & accident/casualty rates in a scientifically verified study. This wont happen, as we all know the subtext is revenue & massaging statistics.
Simple fact of the matter is that if you go ballistic, you can expect custodial, stick to sub 100, fine or course about looking out for the guy in the gorilla suit (the wife told me about this, I've never done a speed awareness course), stick to the speed limits of you want...... crazy idea...... or how about we all get enduro bikes & ride the green lanes & make their job much less easy.
Oh, by the way, just remind me as I can't recall, what's the course of action the police take if you are stopped and your number plate has been stolen or has dropped of???
StuB said:
Oh, by the way, just remind me as I can't recall, what's the course of action the police take if you are stopped and your number plate has been stolen or has dropped of???
Depends if they've caught you doing 110mph stand up wheelies outside a school for disabled kittens or not?LoonR1 said:
Who gets that money? There is no financial justification in spending your budget raising money that then goes somewhere else and you then have to bid to get a share of the national pot.
What they hope for is to catch as many people as possible in the Speed Awareness Course band - that keeps a whole industry of people in work. And helps supplement the meagre pensions of many retires traffic cops.Sheepshanks said:
LoonR1 said:
Who gets that money? There is no financial justification in spending your budget raising money that then goes somewhere else and you then have to bid to get a share of the national pot.
What they hope for is to catch as many people as possible in the Speed Awareness Course band - that keeps a whole industry of people in work. And helps supplement the meagre pensions of many retires traffic cops.Gassing Station | Biker Banter | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff