police hide a speed camera inside a tractor!

[MKnight702]

Mr2Mike said:

How would you know there were hidden cameras?

The point is that you wouldn't, they could be anywhere at any time. Hence the more widespread deterrent effect rather than the current slam the brakes on for the next 50 yards then continue as you were effect.

[Prof Prolapse]

Hooli said:

Prof Prolapse said:

Although they have a job to do, the UK police apparently recognise the importance of public relations

They do? & do they?

I wish they'd do the former, because then the later would automatically follow.

You don't need to tell me mate. Three days ago I had the police around here telling me they weren't pressing charges on the bloke I caught stealing my car. I physically caught him doing it. The issue was more however, it took them 12 months to tell me.

Back to cameras, I think it has already been said though, they tell where they are, they dress up the cameras. There's no legal reason to do that. It's just PR.

Edited by Prof Prolapse on Monday 28th September 12:42

[sc0tt]

Mr2Mike said:

How would you know there were hidden cameras?

[Hooli]

Prof Prolapse said:

Hooli said:

Prof Prolapse said:

Although they have a job to do, the UK police apparently recognise the importance of public relations

They do? & do they?

I wish they'd do the former, because then the later would automatically follow.

You don't need to tell me mate. Three days ago I had the police around here telling me they weren't pressing charges on the bloke I caught stealing my car. I physically caught him doing it. The issue was more however, it took them 12 months to tell me.

Back to cameras, I think it has already been said though, they tell where they are, they dress up the cameras. There's no legal reason to do that. It's just PR.

I am honestly surprised you didn't get charged with assault tbh.

[Esceptico]

clen666 said:

sc0tt said:

Prof Prolapse said:

Is that a typo?

How can something be a deterrent if you don't see it?

A big yellow box would deter me from speeding for the 50 or so meters it is present.

Hidden cameras along a 5 mile stretch of country lane would make drive the entire route slowly.

But unless there are signs warning you of hidden cameras, you wouldn't know they were there until after committing the offence. This may deter you for the next time but it doesn't stop the original offence being committed.

Do you ride within the speed limits everywhere you see those signs saying speed cameras operate in this area?

If the use of hidden cameras became national policy and was used a lot by the police it would be a big deterrent. Fortunately it isn't widespread in the UK (yet).

[Prof Prolapse]

Hooli said:

I am honestly surprised you didn't get charged with assault tbh.

I was careful and didn't go off on some macho crap. I had a wedding in 7 days and in 9 I was on my honeymoon in Bali. That's what I kept telling myself at least!

[Renn Sport]

Fleegle said:

A copper the size of a tractor got me with his laser.

Was that last week in London? He seems to be getting about.

[ShaunTheSheep]

MKnight702 said:

The point is that you wouldn't, they could be anywhere at any time. Hence the more widespread deterrent effect rather than the current slam the brakes on for the next 50 yards then continue as you were effect.

So how come drivers are still speeding in Germany, Switzerland, Austria etc?

Even with hidden cameras and very severe fines (regularly thousands of pounds for fairly minor transgressions, in Switzerland at least), people still speed.

Thing is, you would too.

[moanthebairns]

ShaunTheSheep said:

MKnight702 said:

The point is that you wouldn't, they could be anywhere at any time. Hence the more widespread deterrent effect rather than the current slam the brakes on for the next 50 yards then continue as you were effect.

So how come drivers are still speeding in Germany, Switzerland, Austria etc?

Even with hidden cameras and very severe fines (regularly thousands of pounds for fairly minor transgressions, in Switzerland at least), people still speed.

Thing is, you would too.

yes, very much so, speeding is like gay porn. Its great fun until your caught.

[upsidedownmark]

ShaunTheSheep said:

MKnight702 said:

The point is that you wouldn't, they could be anywhere at any time. Hence the more widespread deterrent effect rather than the current slam the brakes on for the next 50 yards then continue as you were effect.

So how come drivers are still speeding in Germany, Switzerland, Austria etc?

Even with hidden cameras and very severe fines (regularly thousands of pounds for fairly minor transgressions, in Switzerland at least), people still speed.

Thing is, you would too.

Because it is a deterrent not an absolute cure, and is largely in the realm of the hypothetical right up to the point you get caught. Especially where it is a financial penalty, nobody really believes they will be the one that gets caught. The repeat offence rate might well be a rather better measure of the deterrent value.

Without wanting to tempt fate, speed policing in the UK is largely ineffectual. Yes we all like to whine about it but it's not hard to circumvent by being a little observant, is generally losely applied (e.g. motorway 'limit'), and the penalties are fairly light.

I've never (touch wood) managed to get a speeding ticket in this country. However, in Australia (purely for example) I collected something like 10 of the available 12 points in about 6 months driving in exactly the same manner. Cameras are hidden, their tolerences are far lower and they don't have that convenient 14 day limitation, so you can get hit a lot further down the line. TBH I don't remember what the tickets cost, I do remember being very upset that the (fortunately) last one took a 6 months to catch up with me. The first at 20kph over, in the ass end of nowhere at 3am earned me an automatic month ban. I did toe the line, but the aforementioned lack of 14day NIP thing bit me. The prospect & considerable inconvenience of getting a more sizeable ban if I got caught once more worked very well - the only way to be sure was to stick religiously to the limit. Tedious as they have ridiculous limits.

Anyways, hidden cameras and sizeable penalties are a pretty serious deterrent. Bright yellow boxes less so..

[Esceptico]

ShaunTheSheep said:

MKnight702 said:

The point is that you wouldn't, they could be anywhere at any time. Hence the more widespread deterrent effect rather than the current slam the brakes on for the next 50 yards then continue as you were effect.

So how come drivers are still speeding in Germany, Switzerland, Austria etc?

Even with hidden cameras and very severe fines (regularly thousands of pounds for fairly minor transgressions, in Switzerland at least), people still speed.

Thing is, you would too.

It depends what you mean by speeding. In Switzerland minor transgressions eg 10 kmh over on the motorway results in a small fine. They don't have a points system so lots of people get caught for going a bit over. More than 30 kmh over and it is a ban and possibly a big fine. I think more than 60 kmh over and you could be imprisoned. Owing to hidden cameras people and those huge penalties you get very few people that do big speeds.

[PTF]

Average speed cameras work well because you know for definite that you're being checked (though mostly irrelevant for bikes because they're front-facing).

Static speed cameras are mostly pointless because everyone knows they're there and the impact is only for the 50m before and after them. The negative that i often see with static cameras is the lack of observation that's going on while in the camera zone. Normally they're positioned at an "accident blackspot", but rather than improve it they put the incidents down to speed, put up a camera, and then everyone is busy watching their speedos rather than keeping an eye out for hazards.

Hidden, or rather, not painted yellow and hard to spot, cameras surely just provide another "hazard" (albeit an artificial one) that drivers need to look out for. Again, taking their eyes off proper hazards.

Completely hidden cameras or black-box monitoring devices just sounds like the way it will ultimately go. It's sad to think that, but that's the only way to properly police it.

Shame as exploring the top end of 2nd and 3rd gear on the blade is one thing gives me an occasional lift during an otherwise dull commute!!!

[chillo]

Has been featured on the local bbc news 'Look North' tonight, I missed it but they are doing a follow up tomorrow night

[LoonR1]

chillo said:

Has been featured on the local bbc news 'Look North' tonight, I missed it but they are doing a follow up tomorrow night

You really need to take your tinfoil hat off. What happened was they interviewed the Police and Crime Commissioner, note the Commissioner, not the The Chief Constable and he had a Brunstrom-esque rant about speeding, involving paedophiles amd a load of other crap. However, he merely opined that he'd like it to happen, not that it is happening.

Here's the quote from BBC look North (Humberside amd East Yorkshire

Humberside Police and Crime Commissioner, Matthew Grove says hidden speed cameras should be introduced to target motorists who break the law. Government guidelines say that speed cameras should be visible and painted yellow. The Commissioner says fixed covert cameras in trees and bushes would deter people from high speed driving in rural areas.

Note the use of the word "should"

Have a look on their Facebook page / website and there's a 20 second clip of his interview.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCLookNorth?fref=nf

This is NOT happening now and you're on a wind up, as there's no way somebody as naive as you could have the garage you have, unless you've won the lottery. I am very suspicious of people with longstanding membership amd virtually no posts, as it's usually a sign of a bored school kind on a wind up in SP&L

Edited by LoonR1 on Monday 28th September 19:28

[Vroom101]

LoonR1 said:

This is NOT happening now and you're on a wind up, as there's no way somebody as naive as you could have the garage you have, unless you've won the lottery. I am very suspicious of people with longstanding membership amd virtually no posts, as it's usually a sign of a bored school kind on a wind up in SP&L

So at what point does the post count/length of membership ratio tip from tin-hat wearing, naive liar to truth teller?


I don't find this far fetched at all. Police are certainly allowed to use covert speed traps. In Essex they even use their helicopter!

[Tim85]

i never understood why speed cameras are always so visable. i dont want them to be hidden dont get me wrong but as it is all that happens is people sit 10/20 mph faster than the speed limits then, if they know the locations of the cameras, gradually slow down then accelerate afterwards, and if they dont know the locations usually slam on 10 ft before.
I think it would slow people down if they were all hidden and in unknown locations. but again, i definitly dont want to happen. A;though I guess most static cameras are more for traffic calming than money making/trying to catch people out.

[LoonR1]

Vroom101 said:

LoonR1 said:

This is NOT happening now and you're on a wind up, as there's no way somebody as naive as you could have the garage you have, unless you've won the lottery. I am very suspicious of people with longstanding membership amd virtually no posts, as it's usually a sign of a bored school kind on a wind up in SP&L

So at what point does the post count/length of membership ratio tip from tin-hat wearing, naive liar to truth teller?


I don't find this far fetched at all. Police are certainly allowed to use covert speed traps. In Essex they even use their helicopter!

It starts when the person writing stuff on here tells the truth. The OP has claimed that the tractor and covert speed camera was covered on Look North, when it clearly wasn't. He's making stuff up to suit his drivel. I also posted that there is a strong correlation between post count / length of time for the wind up. Do you want to challenge that?

You'll find the helicopter is also not used to catch simple speeding, it'll be used where things got a bit silly.

Speed cameras and mobile speed traps are rarely covert. I even said above that they can be, if they want to, but government guidelines suggest they should be visible. Most follow that principle.

Anyway, take thenwibble to SP&L as that's where you'll find a nice home for the rants, I've given up in there, so it'll be a whole lot easier for you to post crap and get an agreeable audience

[chillo]

At what point did I claim to exactly what was covered in look north?
Read my post again, I said I missed it but the subject is being covered on tomorrow nights programme.
If it's a wind up then it's fooled me and a lot of people I know!
As for my posting count vs time on PH, wtf has that got to do with anything?!

[LoonR1]

chillo said:

At what point did I claim to exactly what was covered in look north?
Read my post again, I said I missed it but the subject is being covered on tomorrow nights programme.
If it's a wind up then it's fooled me and a lot of people I know!
As for my posting count vs time on PH, wtf has that got to do with anything?!

I've quoted your post below. It is absolutely clear that your intention is to state that the tractor camera was covered in the local news and more will follow. I proved that to be false. Now as you are the one asserting this to be true, find me some proof that it exists. Facebook wibble doesn't count as anyone can post any old crap on there. Evidence it via sensible media.

chillo said:

Has been featured on the local bbc news 'Look North' tonight, I missed it but they are doing a follow up tomorrow night

It is false. There are a load of people claiming that Facebook are about to start charging £5.99 for your account. That is bks too.

The post count vs length of membership is a key indicator in the SP&L forum for schoolkid's accounts.

That's some garage btw. Custard photos?

[catso]

PTF said:

Average speed cameras work well because you know for definite that you're being checked (though mostly irrelevant for bikes because they're front-facing).

Some of the latest ones (round here anyway) are now rear facing - the bastids...