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DuraAce said:
I don't believe so. He didn't have the pace/tyres to hit back. DP was closing him down at over 1 sec per lap at that stage.
I think he realised there was no point in fighting but JL was going to get caught as well so, if he delayed DP, it would be doing JL a favour and so let him breeze on past. Maybe he thought there was a chance DP would force JL into a fight and an off which would have been even better for him than the 3rd he was looking at?
ooo000ooo said:
I think he realised there was no point in fighting but JL was going to get caught as well so, if he delayed DP, it would be doing JL a favour and so let him breeze on past.
Maybe he thought there was a chance DP would force JL into a fight and an off which would have been even better for him than the 3rd he was looking at?
Grow up. Rossi could do nothing about Pedrosa, nor could Lorenzo. Pedrosa was simply much faster and that was that. The Rossi worship is painful at times on here. Maybe he thought there was a chance DP would force JL into a fight and an off which would have been even better for him than the 3rd he was looking at?
LoonR1 said:
Grow up. Rossi could do nothing about Pedrosa, nor could Lorenzo. Pedrosa was simply much faster and that was that. The Rossi worship is painful at times on here.
I'm not worshipping Rossi, if it had been anyone else i'd have asked the same question. Apologies for discussing what i thought was an interesting moment in a race on the thread about the race. FFS
LoonR1 said:
Grow up. Rossi could do nothing about Pedrosa, nor could Lorenzo. Pedrosa was simply much faster and that was that. The Rossi worship is painful at times on here.
'Grow up'.... Really?Dani is having that spell when it all comes together and he's brilliant. i really, really hope he keeps it up. If he can keep himself injury free, he's a contender for next year. Many times over the years, when he's on form it's funny listening to the commentators mistake his sideways bike for that of his team mate. I fancy him for Oz.
I wouldn't be too dismissive of the Rossi point, it's clear Pedrosa had the pace by some way. But I think it plausible that Rossi decided before Dani got to him that he was going to try and tag along instead of any (pointless) attempt to interfere or snap back. Not sure why you think this is far fetched? It isn't Rossi worship, it's surely just a sensible tactic that you'd have expected any of them to use. George was pushing a bit too hard and was within a few inches of binning it when Rossi was closing and he ran right to edge of the track.
George is still the fastest of the 4, Dani has his mojo back, anything could happen for MM, Rossi has to ride very smart to take this championship.
Hungrymc said:
LoonR1 said:
Grow up. Rossi could do nothing about Pedrosa, nor could Lorenzo. Pedrosa was simply much faster and that was that. The Rossi worship is painful at times on here.
'Grow up'.... Really?Dani is having that spell when it all comes together and he's brilliant. i really, really hope he keeps it up. If he can keep himself injury free, he's a contender for next year. Many times over the years, when he's on form it's funny listening to the commentators mistake his sideways bike for that of his team mate. I fancy him for Oz.
I wouldn't be too dismissive of the Rossi point, it's clear Pedrosa had the pace by some way. But I think it plausible that Rossi decided before Dani got to him that he was going to try and tag along instead of any (pointless) attempt to interfere or snap back. Not sure why you think this is far fetched? It isn't Rossi worship, it's surely just a sensible tactic that you'd have expected any of them to use. George was pushing a bit too hard and was within a few inches of binning it when Rossi was closing and he ran right to edge of the track.
George is still the fastest of the 4, Dani has his mojo back, anything could happen for MM, Rossi has to ride very smart to take this championship.
2. Do you really think Rossi, the racer, thought, "I know, I'll let him last and see if he can overtake Lorenzo too. If he doesn't, I've only given 4 more points away".
3. Why don't you think Lorenzo did the same then? Why nobody asking: Did Lorenzo let him through to play it safe, rather than risk a crash? Ditto with Rossi overtaking him and he figured that staying on, rather than fighting with knackered was more important?
4. Agree on Lorenzo being the fastest. I think his last crash cost him his chance though.
1, yep,
4, certainly mixed it up a lot.
2 & 3, Well if Lorenzo thought the same he didn't execute very well (certainly not as well as Rossi). He really was inches from being on his arse with no points again. The stereotype suggests that when everything is perfect, Lorenzo has Rossi's card marked. But equally, when tyres get messy, or conditions mixed and changing he can't stay with Rossi.
This is all a little academic as we were discussing if Rossi might have recognized he couldn't possibly compete with Dani and used him as a marker instead - you don't get to hold someone up who has a second a lap on you in motogp, certainly not for more than a lap. And Dani proved last time out that he wouldn't let Rossi bully him.
I can't help thinking Dani's return to form could yet be the biggest issue George has to contend with. If MM is also fit next weekend the Hondas will be taking points of someone and possibly both Yam riders. Of course Rossi can't have the two Hondas between Jorge and him so maybe Dani is a bigger threat to Rossi..... So much racing left in this championship.
I have a feeling that we'll look back at the errors from Marc (win or bin way too early in the season when the championship was still on) and Jorge (dropping it when good points were on offer) as key to the title. I'd love Rossi to win, but if Jorge wins it will be very well deserved. Rossi has had him under incredible pressure and it has made him creak but he's still in there (qualifying this weekend when he followed Jorge and really annoyed him, but then went quicker again on his own - when Jorge thought he had 1/2 second breathing space is one example).
Generally, i think being underdog is helping Rossi (and pressuring Jorge) at the moment but that can change quickly as we approach the end of the season.
Brilliant season and whoever wins will be deserving.
4, certainly mixed it up a lot.
2 & 3, Well if Lorenzo thought the same he didn't execute very well (certainly not as well as Rossi). He really was inches from being on his arse with no points again. The stereotype suggests that when everything is perfect, Lorenzo has Rossi's card marked. But equally, when tyres get messy, or conditions mixed and changing he can't stay with Rossi.
This is all a little academic as we were discussing if Rossi might have recognized he couldn't possibly compete with Dani and used him as a marker instead - you don't get to hold someone up who has a second a lap on you in motogp, certainly not for more than a lap. And Dani proved last time out that he wouldn't let Rossi bully him.
I can't help thinking Dani's return to form could yet be the biggest issue George has to contend with. If MM is also fit next weekend the Hondas will be taking points of someone and possibly both Yam riders. Of course Rossi can't have the two Hondas between Jorge and him so maybe Dani is a bigger threat to Rossi..... So much racing left in this championship.
I have a feeling that we'll look back at the errors from Marc (win or bin way too early in the season when the championship was still on) and Jorge (dropping it when good points were on offer) as key to the title. I'd love Rossi to win, but if Jorge wins it will be very well deserved. Rossi has had him under incredible pressure and it has made him creak but he's still in there (qualifying this weekend when he followed Jorge and really annoyed him, but then went quicker again on his own - when Jorge thought he had 1/2 second breathing space is one example).
Generally, i think being underdog is helping Rossi (and pressuring Jorge) at the moment but that can change quickly as we approach the end of the season.
Brilliant season and whoever wins will be deserving.
LoonR1 said:
2. Do you really think Rossi, the racer, thought, "I know, I'll let him past and see if he can overtake Lorenzo too.
Is it really that hard to imagine that if Rossi's pitboard was telling him Dani was catching him at what, .7 a lap, that he knew fighting him was pointless and that if he let him past without a fight that he'd probably catch Jorge too?Was Rossi catching Jorge at that point because if he was, and he knew how much quicker Dani was going, I'd say he may well have made that decision?
A few reasons why I think Rossi is better placed for the title....
VR likes Philip Island and tends to go well there - I can see him finishing in front of JL there increasing the points gap, especially if either DP, MM or VR can get the leap on him at the start and stop JL getting into his rhythm.
The same can be said of Malaysia, which also has a very real threat of rain/sunshine during the race (or as it has been in the past, cancelling due to torrential rain). Even one place behind JL here and VR could almost afford to finish 5th or 6th to take the title at Valencia
DP is showing his normal end of season form, showing exactly why Honda keep him (I do think if he could start a season well and stay injury free, he's more than capable of taking the title that has so far eluded him) which spells trouble for JL - the more wins DP takes, the smaller any points haul JL has over VR
I really want VR to win the title - more than ever since JL started spouting trash to the Spanish press about VR only being where he is because of JL's data - It's like he thinks he can get into VR's head with s
te like that, forgetting that A) VR is the master of mind games and B) it makes him sound like a spoilt child.
The only potential fly in the ointment for VR is Valencia as it's always been a VR bogey track - that said, he's aware of that and will be doing everything he can to make sure he doesn't need a big result there.
VR likes Philip Island and tends to go well there - I can see him finishing in front of JL there increasing the points gap, especially if either DP, MM or VR can get the leap on him at the start and stop JL getting into his rhythm.
The same can be said of Malaysia, which also has a very real threat of rain/sunshine during the race (or as it has been in the past, cancelling due to torrential rain). Even one place behind JL here and VR could almost afford to finish 5th or 6th to take the title at Valencia
DP is showing his normal end of season form, showing exactly why Honda keep him (I do think if he could start a season well and stay injury free, he's more than capable of taking the title that has so far eluded him) which spells trouble for JL - the more wins DP takes, the smaller any points haul JL has over VR
I really want VR to win the title - more than ever since JL started spouting trash to the Spanish press about VR only being where he is because of JL's data - It's like he thinks he can get into VR's head with s
te like that, forgetting that A) VR is the master of mind games and B) it makes him sound like a spoilt child.The only potential fly in the ointment for VR is Valencia as it's always been a VR bogey track - that said, he's aware of that and will be doing everything he can to make sure he doesn't need a big result there.
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