Police bike riders why?
Discussion
Martin4x4 said:
Not always a dream job, two Humberside Police Officers have been killed in bike accidents this year, one on duty and one off.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-323001...
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Humberside-Police-o...
Who cares....Seriously http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-323001...
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Humberside-Police-o...
moanthebairns said:
Any time I see these b
ds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus.
I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
1) The Focus is usually driven by a scrote who is willing to take risks no sensible person would.ds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus. I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
2) Police training is for roads, not tracks.
I've ridden and driven with enough police riders and drivers to know that the ones qualified at the top level are indeed very good. (The lower levels often not great ,and not as good as they think they are.) I'm sure the very best civilian riders are better than a lot of class one police riders, one police instructor said as much. But in general the police reputation is deserved.
Incidentally those police riders who do indulge seriously in track riding are often very good at that as well.
moanthebairns said:
Any time I see these bds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus.
I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
I doubt the above comment is applicable to all. The way you speak the should be on the grid for the next superstock race. Just saying.
Well it is a bit like having your arse handed to you by an Indian on a student visa riding a scooter with a pizza delivery box on the back isn't it. Pizza delivery riders can go faster than most others who have more training and more powerful bikes, just because they don't give a fds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus. I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
I doubt the above comment is applicable to all. The way you speak the should be on the grid for the next superstock race. Just saying.
k if they get killed and probably aren't even aware enough to work out that their antics could get them killed. Police bikes do not normally do pursuits anyway, it is too risky.Silver993tt said:
SystemParanoia said:
The police don't ride superbikes.. They ride fridges.
That might be the case but with the riding skills they have they will still leave you standing in any situation/road condition. So effectively, you'll get easily left behind by one of these fridges.Edited by Silver993tt on Saturday 10th October 08:07
Edited by CorvetteConvert on Saturday 10th October 17:11
moanthebairns said:
twizellb said:
Silver993tt said:
hat might be the case but with the riding skills they have they will still leave you standing in any situation/road condition. So effectively, you'll get easily left behind by one of these fridges.
Not that old chestnutEdited by Silver993tt on Saturday 10th October 08:07
ds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus. I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
I doubt the above comment is applicable to all. The way you speak the should be on the grid for the next superstock race. Just saying.
Just saying.;)
Edited by twizellb on Saturday 10th October 18:07
twizellb said:
moanthebairns said:
twizellb said:
Silver993tt said:
hat might be the case but with the riding skills they have they will still leave you standing in any situation/road condition. So effectively, you'll get easily left behind by one of these fridges.
Not that old chestnutEdited by Silver993tt on Saturday 10th October 08:07
ds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus. I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
I doubt the above comment is applicable to all. The way you speak the should be on the grid for the next superstock race. Just saying.
Just saying.;)
Edited by twizellb on Saturday 10th October 18:07
moanthebairns said:
twizellb said:
moanthebairns said:
twizellb said:
Silver993tt said:
hat might be the case but with the riding skills they have they will still leave you standing in any situation/road condition. So effectively, you'll get easily left behind by one of these fridges.
Not that old chestnutEdited by Silver993tt on Saturday 10th October 08:07
ds on the tele they scream down the phone, advanced driver, advanced driver when the can't keep up with a focus. I'll leave others to tell the stories of the police having their arse handed to them on a track day.
I doubt the above comment is applicable to all. The way you speak the should be on the grid for the next superstock race. Just saying.
Just saying.;)
Edited by twizellb on Saturday 10th October 18:07
I've ridden with enough (off duty) police riders and enough experience non-police riders to know that the average police rider is considerably faster on the road while still being safer than the average non-police rider, irrespective of type of bike being ridden. Will a police BMW boxer keep up with a scrote on a stolen Fireblade down the M1? No! Make it a B road in the country and I'll bet that most of the time the scrote:
a. Doesn't lose the plod;
b. crashes first;
a. Doesn't lose the plod;
b. crashes first;
black-k1 said:
I've ridden with enough (off duty) police riders and enough experience non-police riders to know that the average police rider is considerably faster on the road while still being safer than the average non-police rider, irrespective of type of bike being ridden. Will a police BMW boxer keep up with a scrote on a stolen Fireblade down the M1? No! Make it a B road in the country and I'll bet that most of the time the scrote:
a. Doesn't lose the plod;
b. crashes first;
Not everyone is a "scrote" though David.a. Doesn't lose the plod;
b. crashes first;
twizellb said:
black-k1 said:
I've ridden with enough (off duty) police riders and enough experience non-police riders to know that the average police rider is considerably faster on the road while still being safer than the average non-police rider, irrespective of type of bike being ridden. Will a police BMW boxer keep up with a scrote on a stolen Fireblade down the M1? No! Make it a B road in the country and I'll bet that most of the time the scrote:
a. Doesn't lose the plod;
b. crashes first;
Not everyone is a "scrote" though David.a. Doesn't lose the plod;
b. crashes first;
black-k1 said:
I've ridden with enough (off duty) police riders and enough experience non-police riders to know that the average police rider is considerably faster on the road while still being safer than the average non-police rider, irrespective of type of bike being ridden.
BarringtonL said:
You understand what I'm saying? I'm not advocating breaking speed limits, and I don't own a bike, but I can't understand how someone like a police officer who needs to stick to limits would have a powerful bike? Surely speed is the point?
You could say that just about every car, but most dont.
I think it's all very well assuming someone being pursued on a fast bike, by a copper on a slower bike, will get away, but the copper, as most don't consider, is trained in ways the average civilian rider isn't, and despite taking care for safety, I suspect in reality, they would do a very good job of catching the hero on the fast bike quite easily. The Police use 'all' of the road, all of the time, which they are trained extensively to do, and are also trained for all weather riding, and use all of the bikes potential most of the time, and have radio, and authority to pass and cause traffic to make way, while the hero is looking behind instead of in front, not using the road to their advantage, pre-occupied with being a hero, riding erratically much of the time, with little awareness or safety for themselves, and just because the hero can achieve higher speeds momentarily, the real word average speed of plod, won't be that far behind, yet plod will be far more alert and consistent, and likely as not, still on the bike come the end of said heroes reign, if not in front. Perhaps consider not trying to be a hero, nobody will remember you for it.
Sure, police bikers that ride out of work break speed limits, and many coppers have points on their licence, which doesn't cost them their job necessarily, and they still speed on the work bike. We can't knock that, as I'm sure many of us have ridden behind one who's exploiting conditions in nationals, for a bit of fun. I think they are more restrained on the straights, but quicker elsewhere.
Sure, police bikers that ride out of work break speed limits, and many coppers have points on their licence, which doesn't cost them their job necessarily, and they still speed on the work bike. We can't knock that, as I'm sure many of us have ridden behind one who's exploiting conditions in nationals, for a bit of fun. I think they are more restrained on the straights, but quicker elsewhere.
Silver993tt said:
hat might be the case but with the riding skills they have they will still leave you standing in any situation/road condition. So effectively, you'll get easily left behind by one of these fridges.
I have to disagree with that statement, not every police rider is capable of the above statement just in the same way there are fair few riders who are more than capable of dispatching with the unwanted attention of police riders.Edited by Silver993tt on Saturday 10th October 08:07
ZX10R NIN said:
I have to disagree with that statement, not every police rider is capable of the above statement just in the same way there are fair few riders who are more than capable of dispatching with the unwanted attention of police riders.
I really have doubt that many riders are anywhere near as good as police Class 1 riders. Basically because:- Police riders have done many weeks full time training, which your average chump hasn't
- Police riders learn through an advanced riding training system which the average rider doesn't
- Police riders ride for their job, which the average chump doesn't, so they get more time on the bike
The only group of riders who I think really have any likelihood of being better than some police riders are dispatch (courier) riders who have also done track work. Then those dispatch riders have the road time on the bike and they have the high speed work. Don't forget, you don't actually see police bikes that often and when you do they are almost certainly not riding anywhere near the limit of their ability.
Also just because you are able to elude plod if you get chased by them, doesn't mean you can ride better than plod. It just means that you are prepared to take more risks and put yourself or others in more danger. If plod think chasing you is too much of a risk either to yourself or others on the road, they may give up chasing you and just try to catch up with you later using higher tech methods like radios or the police national computer.
creampuff said:
I really have doubt that many riders are anywhere near as good as police Class 1 riders. Basically because:
- Police riders have done many weeks full time training, which your average chump hasn't
- Police riders learn through an advanced riding training system which the average rider doesn't
- Police riders ride for their job, which the average chump doesn't, so they get more time on the bike
The only group of riders who I think really have any likelihood of being better than some police riders are dispatch (courier) riders who have also done track work. Then those dispatch riders have the road time on the bike and they have the high speed work. Don't forget, you don't actually see police bikes that often and when you do they are almost certainly not riding anywhere near the limit of their ability.
Also just because you are able to elude plod if you get chased by them, doesn't mean you can ride better than plod. It just means that you are prepared to take more risks and put yourself or others in more danger. If plod think chasing you is too much of a risk either to yourself or others on the road, they may give up chasing you and just try to catch up with you later using higher tech methods like radios or the police national computer.
I never said lots there aren't lots of class 1 police riders but there are people who have lots of talent, I've seen a fair few at trackdays & they haven't been that great.- Police riders have done many weeks full time training, which your average chump hasn't
- Police riders learn through an advanced riding training system which the average rider doesn't
- Police riders ride for their job, which the average chump doesn't, so they get more time on the bike
The only group of riders who I think really have any likelihood of being better than some police riders are dispatch (courier) riders who have also done track work. Then those dispatch riders have the road time on the bike and they have the high speed work. Don't forget, you don't actually see police bikes that often and when you do they are almost certainly not riding anywhere near the limit of their ability.
Also just because you are able to elude plod if you get chased by them, doesn't mean you can ride better than plod. It just means that you are prepared to take more risks and put yourself or others in more danger. If plod think chasing you is too much of a risk either to yourself or others on the road, they may give up chasing you and just try to catch up with you later using higher tech methods like radios or the police national computer.
Well i would love to see a police bike rider (and yes most are excellent) on his BMW or other full-dresser, against myself (not AS fast nowadays on a bike as many other bike riders, i accept, but with 15 years club racing experience in the 80s and 90s behind me) on my current 1299cc Ducati Panigale, say a hoon over the Cat and Fiddle or indeed the Route Napoleon.
Remember also that someone on his R1 will probably do things a police rider will not, due to pursuit rules and regulations.
'Police rider' does not necessary equal 'bloody fast bloke down a twisty road', it simply means a very competent rider in all conditions, it doesn't make him a race track refugee.
Remember also that someone on his R1 will probably do things a police rider will not, due to pursuit rules and regulations.
'Police rider' does not necessary equal 'bloody fast bloke down a twisty road', it simply means a very competent rider in all conditions, it doesn't make him a race track refugee.
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