Police bike riders why?

[creampuff]

blade7 said:

Why don't you post some videos of your awesome riding skills so we need to pick our jaw off the floor about how good you are.

[creampuff]

CorvetteConvert said:

All figures circa.

Police BMW R1100. 100 bhp. 250 kgs with all the gear.
Yamaha R1 1000. 190 bhp. 180 kgs.

400 bhp per tonne.
1000+ bhp per tonne.

Yes, the rider affects things a little, but the noddy bike really hasn't a hope in hell if the sports bike rider isn't a complete clown!

Like it says in the Police Riders Manual "power is nothing without control"

People get away from police riders because they take more risks or they fail to see hazards which the police slow down for. Some exceptions of course.

This R1 had a lot more power than all those police cars parked nearby. I wonder which one is faster now?

[moanthebairns]

creampuff said:

Like it says in the Police Riders Manual "power is nothing without control

Fiesta St owners club used to have a similar saying.

"with great power come responsibility"

My point. Proverbs are a load of st.

[Ilovejapcrap]

I saw a police bike once.

True story

[black-k1]

CorvetteConvert said:

All figures circa.

Police BMW R1100. 100 bhp. 250 kgs with all the gear.
Yamaha R1 1000. 190 bhp. 180 kgs.

400 bhp per tonne.
1000+ bhp per tonne.

Yes, the rider affects things a little, but the noddy bike really hasn't a hope in hell if the sports bike rider isn't a complete clown!

There are regular posts on here (and many other forms/publications) about how it's not possible to use anything like all the power/capabilities of modern superbikes on the road so quoting the raw data is pointless. On anything other than long straights, how fast you can go on the road is not about how much power/lack of weight you have but about how well you can read the road and how many risks you are willing to take. Police riders are (repeatedly) trained to read the road and are very well practiced in a riding approach that is recognised as the best way to enable fast safe progress.

As for taking risks, then I'm sure there are many riders willing to take a lot more risks but that would be why accident rates per mile for non-police bikers (of large capacity bikes) are significantly higher than those for police bikers.

[Disastrous]

creampuff said:

CorvetteConvert said:

All figures circa.

Police BMW R1100. 100 bhp. 250 kgs with all the gear.
Yamaha R1 1000. 190 bhp. 180 kgs.

400 bhp per tonne.
1000+ bhp per tonne.

Yes, the rider affects things a little, but the noddy bike really hasn't a hope in hell if the sports bike rider isn't a complete clown!

Like it says in the Police Riders Manual "power is nothing without control"

People get away from police riders because they take more risks or they fail to see hazards which the police slow down for. Some exceptions of course.

This R1 had a lot more power than all those police cars parked nearby. I wonder which one is faster now?

That is beyond irrelevant! You're asking which is faster - a crashed motorbike or a police car!

Until it crashed the R1 was obviously much quicker.

It's all very well to say you could outrun a police motorcycle but look at this large rock and tell me which is faster - the rock or a police mountain biker?

Insane logic!

Edited by Disastrous on Sunday 11th October 10:14

[creampuff]

moanthebairns said:

Fiesta St owners club used to have a similar saying.

"with great power come responsibility"

My point. Proverbs are a load of st.

Proverbs may be st, but not half as much st as somebody who says "I'm faster than the 'bill 'cos I got a litre bike and I'm just fast, innit"

People saying they are good are a dime a dozen. People crapping on about how good they are at this or at that. Then you ask them why they are good and the answer is just because they are good, innit. They cannot come up with a reason why they are good.

There may be many riders faster on a track because the police rarely or never train on a track whereas ordinary people do and ordinary people can become good track riders. The track is not the road. The police get a lot of training on making fast progress on real roads, with other real cars on them. They can also ride under exemptions from speed limits, so they can push things on the road during training a lot harder than anybody else. Then they are also on the bike a lot more hours than most other riders.

So you have a group of people who (a) are trained more (b) have training unavailable to other riders (c) get to use their bike a lot more afterwards.

All this adds up to them being, in general, better riders on their fat BMWs than some yoof on an R1 with a load of testosterone, no training, works in an office 40 hours a week and have just decided for themselves how good they are.

Like I said, the only riders who as a group are very good are IMHO dispatch/courier riders, more so if they have also done track work. There will be individual riders on fast bikes who are good because of some training or experience they have, but these will be the very sparse exception and not the rule.

Here's another thing I've noticed: the more somebody craps on about how good they are, the worse they usually are.

[hebegb]

Yeah, yeah, yeah........but seriously, gentlemen ......
What would you sooner fight : 10 duck-size horses, or one horse-size duck ....?

[CorvetteConvert]

ZX10R NIN said:

Silver993tt said:

hat might be the case but with the riding skills they have they will still leave you standing in any situation/road condition. So effectively, you'll get easily left behind by one of these fridges.

Edited by Silver993tt on Saturday 10th October 08:07

I have to disagree with that statement, not every police rider is capable of the above statement just in the same way there are fair few riders who are more than capable of dispatching with the unwanted attention of police riders.

Of course, you are right. Because:-
A) Not every R1 or GSXR1000 rider is a total knob. In fact, the vast majority of them will have had many other bikes before buying one with the thick end of 200 bhp and 200 mph at his disposal. He is likely to be a skillful rider actually. But for whatever reason has decided that he needs to shrug off the bike cop, rightly or wrongly.
B) Not every copper has ridden a genuinely fast bike! I know a bike cop in North London and he has only ever ridden his own Triumph Tiger 800 and 250 kgs police plodders.

[CorvetteConvert]

moanthebairns said:

creampuff said:

Like it says in the Police Riders Manual "power is nothing without control

Fiesta St owners club used to have a similar saying.

"with great power come responsibility"

My point. Proverbs are a load of st.

+1

[CorvetteConvert]

PS. Police cars and bikes have crashes too.

[Silver993tt]

creampuff said:

ZX10R NIN said:

I have to disagree with that statement, not every police rider is capable of the above statement just in the same way there are fair few riders who are more than capable of dispatching with the unwanted attention of police riders.

I really have doubt that many riders are anywhere near as good as police Class 1 riders. Basically because:
- Police riders have done many weeks full time training, which your average chump hasn't
- Police riders learn through an advanced riding training system which the average rider doesn't
- Police riders ride for their job, which the average chump doesn't, so they get more time on the bike

The only group of riders who I think really have any likelihood of being better than some police riders are dispatch (courier) riders who have also done track work. Then those dispatch riders have the road time on the bike and they have the high speed work. Don't forget, you don't actually see police bikes that often and when you do they are almost certainly not riding anywhere near the limit of their ability.

Also just because you are able to elude plod if you get chased by them, doesn't mean you can ride better than plod. It just means that you are prepared to take more risks and put yourself or others in more danger. If plod think chasing you is too much of a risk either to yourself or others on the road, they may give up chasing you and just try to catch up with you later using higher tech methods like radios or the police national computer.

This exactly. If you think you are a better road rider than a police bike rider then you are delusional. They have the best and regular training and ride serious amounts of miles every day.

[Fleegle]

No mention of donuts yet?

[twizellb]

Fleegle said:

No mention of donuts yet?

Mmmmmmmm donuts!

[TheInternet]

moanthebairns said:

Fiesta St owners club used to have a similar saying.

Ignore those godforsaken hicks.

[Biker's Nemesis]

[Reardy Mister]

CorvetteConvert said:

All figures circa.

Police BMW R1100. 100 bhp. 250 kgs with all the gear.
Yamaha R1 1000. 190 bhp. 180 kgs.

400 bhp per tonne.
1000+ bhp per tonne.

Yes, the rider affects things a little, but the noddy bike really hasn't a hope in hell if the sports bike rider isn't a complete clown!

Haha!

What the fk? Please stay, you're hilarious.

[LoonR1]

My next door neighbour is Trafpol and he rides bikes as part of his duties. He's an arse and his psychopathic bh of a wife is a complete .

Just thought I'd share

[Jazoli]

LoonR1 said:

My next door neighbour is Trafpol and he rides bikes as part of his duties. He's an arse and his psychopathic bh of a wife is a complete .

Just thought I'd share

I bet he's faster than you too..

[mckeann]

I've outrun the police. Does that make me better than them, or was I just crazy??