Cars moving over for bike - helpful or confusing?
Discussion
Don't get the debris argument, never experienced that. Having said that, if in the car, I would only move if stationary, for filterers. When moving, I'd only ever indicate to signal they can pass. People can be too keen to move over, and then there's the distraction and the pressure to overtake even if you don't want to.
MotorsportTom said:
Really?
If a car moves over and there is space to overtake you won't do it unless the oncoming lane is clear?
Some parts round here the road is wide enough that when a car moves left there's ample room to not even cross the centre line of the road to pass them!
Also partly agree with crashely above.
Keep moving left it is appreciated.
Trust me, I won't be waiting for a full lane space to make an overtake. But there is a danger of the vehicle infront making a sudden deviation from an otherwise constant trajectory.If a car moves over and there is space to overtake you won't do it unless the oncoming lane is clear?
Some parts round here the road is wide enough that when a car moves left there's ample room to not even cross the centre line of the road to pass them!
Also partly agree with crashely above.
Keep moving left it is appreciated.
That being said - On a 2 lane road, it's not really an issue - I will acknowledge them and pass them. But on a 3 lane road, if you are between lanes 1 and 2, when the vehicle in lane 2 suddenly swerves into lane 1 to allow a biker to filter through lanes 2 and 3 - then it is an issue. This has happened to me and the swerving vehicle has failed to see me to his left, even though he's seen the other biker approaching from behind on his right.
So ceterus paribus, it is better that caged drivers maintain a constant direction of travel and for bikers to find a safe way around them.
I always acknowledge and i like it especially on solid white lines in traffic meaning you can just sail passed without having to wait or getting near the lines.
I have been on the way to settle and witnessed a man with his full family in his people carrier notice me move over so much he went off the road and about 3 ft onto the grass, panicked swerved basically into oncoming traffic before getting back in his lane and dealing with the flailing fists from his wife. i just dropped back to give him extra room and passed when it was much more open. Scoot over a few feet by all means but theres no need to be hitting pavements/gutters. just keep your speed constent and well get by eventually anyway.
I have been on the way to settle and witnessed a man with his full family in his people carrier notice me move over so much he went off the road and about 3 ft onto the grass, panicked swerved basically into oncoming traffic before getting back in his lane and dealing with the flailing fists from his wife. i just dropped back to give him extra room and passed when it was much more open. Scoot over a few feet by all means but theres no need to be hitting pavements/gutters. just keep your speed constent and well get by eventually anyway.
So ceterus paribus, it is better that caged drivers maintain a constant direction of travel and for bikers to find a safe way around them.
Yowza ! - you've got to hand it to him .....just when you thought the envelope could not be pushed in any more monumental fashion - we have this in a non strictly legal discussion , wow, sir, you have indeed surpassed what most believed could not be done !
Te salutamus !
Yowza ! - you've got to hand it to him .....just when you thought the envelope could not be pushed in any more monumental fashion - we have this in a non strictly legal discussion , wow, sir, you have indeed surpassed what most believed could not be done !
Te salutamus !
LoonR1 said:
Romanus eunt domus
That has to be one of the funniest scenes in movie history - at least for those brung up on Latin in the 1970's
I suppose in asking the question it shows that I do have misgivings about trying to 'help' our two-wheeled comrades.
In some ways it's a bit like headlight flashing: if everyone knows what's going on it can make a lot of sense. Unfortunately, not everyone does
If I do move over, it's never into the gutter(!). In town at low speeds it can be enough to aid safer filtering - on the open road it's only really to imply I've 'clocked' the biker sitting on my shoulder.
Firstly, thanks for being considerate towards bikes.
A move away from the central line to show you're not about to attempt an overtake just as I'm coming past is always welcome but, as has been said, moving far enough over so that your nearside wheels are in the gutter, throwing up all the crap that lives there, is not that welcome.
A move away from the central line to show you're not about to attempt an overtake just as I'm coming past is always welcome but, as has been said, moving far enough over so that your nearside wheels are in the gutter, throwing up all the crap that lives there, is not that welcome.
In heavy / slow traffic, If you're keeping a reasonable line in the middle of your carriageway it doesn't make much difference but is still appreciated and shows you notice us.
The cars that grate most are those that hug the white centre line in heavy traffic, making them comparatively difficult to pass with no good reason.
The cars that grate most are those that hug the white centre line in heavy traffic, making them comparatively difficult to pass with no good reason.
spareparts said:
MotorsportTom said:
Really?
If a car moves over and there is space to overtake you won't do it unless the oncoming lane is clear?
Some parts round here the road is wide enough that when a car moves left there's ample room to not even cross the centre line of the road to pass them!
Also partly agree with crashely above.
Keep moving left it is appreciated.
Trust me, I won't be waiting for a full lane space to make an overtake. But there is a danger of the vehicle infront making a sudden deviation from an otherwise constant trajectory.If a car moves over and there is space to overtake you won't do it unless the oncoming lane is clear?
Some parts round here the road is wide enough that when a car moves left there's ample room to not even cross the centre line of the road to pass them!
Also partly agree with crashely above.
Keep moving left it is appreciated.
That being said - On a 2 lane road, it's not really an issue - I will acknowledge them and pass them. But on a 3 lane road, if you are between lanes 1 and 2, when the vehicle in lane 2 suddenly swerves into lane 1 to allow a biker to filter through lanes 2 and 3 - then it is an issue. This has happened to me and the swerving vehicle has failed to see me to his left, even though he's seen the other biker approaching from behind on his right.
So ceterus paribus, it is better that caged drivers maintain a constant direction of travel and for bikers to find a safe way around them.
In the case you present above I completely agree. I think on anything other than 1 lane each way it starts to become an issue so perhaps don't move left or right
After this morning’s performance, I would say its bikers that need to start pulling over to allow those that know how and have confidence to filter get on there way.
I was embarrassed this morning. The standard of bike control, lane control and general awareness was piss poor. How some of these guys plan to spend Christmas is their business, but I won’t be visiting them in hospital or putting flowers on their grave. It really was shocking!
Hats off to me though for keeping my cool. I didn’t once call them a useless
(it may have been half a dozen times though)
I was embarrassed this morning. The standard of bike control, lane control and general awareness was piss poor. How some of these guys plan to spend Christmas is their business, but I won’t be visiting them in hospital or putting flowers on their grave. It really was shocking!
Hats off to me though for keeping my cool. I didn’t once call them a useless
(it may have been half a dozen times though)
What I really want to know, is after you've moved past do you say thank you, and if so how? Only some people believe flicking your foot could confuse people. Bearing in mind we're already potentially confused from moving over, it could be absolute pandemonium.
And then, if you meet another biker coming the other way, how do you acknowledge them? Only I'm potentially twice confused by these events, do I nod? If so how? A slight angular nod? Or up down? Would this nodding affect my speed reading if a copper is monitoring me with a speed gun? If so what about if I carry a line of CDs across my chest?
But then again it's coming into winter. What heated grips shall I use? With what gloves? Will I need a second bike? How do you guys store your other main bike over winter? What tyres will I used? Will I use PR4s? Maybe PR4s? Definitely PR4s, but I bought bridgestones because they're cheapest.
I'll need a bike to fit these to of course, what bike should I buy? It needs to be sporty, comfortable, cheap, reliable, cheap, not a Yamaha because I don't like purple? I like the idea of a GXSR but then again I have actually already bought a Fazer. Or maybe not.
Just wind it up and watch it fking go...
And then, if you meet another biker coming the other way, how do you acknowledge them? Only I'm potentially twice confused by these events, do I nod? If so how? A slight angular nod? Or up down? Would this nodding affect my speed reading if a copper is monitoring me with a speed gun? If so what about if I carry a line of CDs across my chest?
But then again it's coming into winter. What heated grips shall I use? With what gloves? Will I need a second bike? How do you guys store your other main bike over winter? What tyres will I used? Will I use PR4s? Maybe PR4s? Definitely PR4s, but I bought bridgestones because they're cheapest.
I'll need a bike to fit these to of course, what bike should I buy? It needs to be sporty, comfortable, cheap, reliable, cheap, not a Yamaha because I don't like purple? I like the idea of a GXSR but then again I have actually already bought a Fazer. Or maybe not.
Just wind it up and watch it f
king go...Prof Prolapse said:
What I really want to know, is after you've moved past do you say thank you, and if so how? Only some people believe flicking your foot could confuse people. Bearing in mind we're already potentially confused from moving over, it could be absolute pandemonium.
And then, if you meet another biker coming the other way, how do you acknowledge them? Only I'm potentially twice confused by these events, do I nod? If so how? A slight angular nod? Or up down? Would this nodding affect my speed reading if a copper is monitoring me with a speed gun? If so what about if I carry a line of CDs across my chest?
But then again it's coming into winter. What heated grips shall I use? With what gloves? Will I need a second bike? How do you guys store your other main bike over winter? What tyres will I used? Will I use PR4s? Maybe PR4s? Definitely PR4s, but I bought bridgestones because they're cheapest.
I'll need a bike to fit these to of course, what bike should I buy? It needs to be sporty, comfortable, cheap, reliable, cheap, not a Yamaha because I don't like purple? I like the idea of a GXSR but then again I have actually already bought a Fazer. Or maybe not.
And why do i need to remove my helmet when filling with petrol but Muslim ladies are not required to remove their head garments?
Just wind it up and watch it fking go...
just a small edit you forgotAnd then, if you meet another biker coming the other way, how do you acknowledge them? Only I'm potentially twice confused by these events, do I nod? If so how? A slight angular nod? Or up down? Would this nodding affect my speed reading if a copper is monitoring me with a speed gun? If so what about if I carry a line of CDs across my chest?
But then again it's coming into winter. What heated grips shall I use? With what gloves? Will I need a second bike? How do you guys store your other main bike over winter? What tyres will I used? Will I use PR4s? Maybe PR4s? Definitely PR4s, but I bought bridgestones because they're cheapest.
I'll need a bike to fit these to of course, what bike should I buy? It needs to be sporty, comfortable, cheap, reliable, cheap, not a Yamaha because I don't like purple? I like the idea of a GXSR but then again I have actually already bought a Fazer. Or maybe not.
And why do i need to remove my helmet when filling with petrol but Muslim ladies are not required to remove their head garments?
Just wind it up and watch it f
king go...terry tibbs said:
Prof Prolapse said:
What I really want to know, is after you've moved past do you say thank you, and if so how? Only some people believe flicking your foot could confuse people. Bearing in mind we're already potentially confused from moving over, it could be absolute pandemonium.
And then, if you meet another biker coming the other way, how do you acknowledge them? Only I'm potentially twice confused by these events, do I nod? If so how? A slight angular nod? Or up down? Would this nodding affect my speed reading if a copper is monitoring me with a speed gun? If so what about if I carry a line of CDs across my chest?
But then again it's coming into winter. What heated grips shall I use? With what gloves? Will I need a second bike? How do you guys store your other main bike over winter? What tyres will I used? Will I use PR4s? Maybe PR4s? Definitely PR4s, but I bought bridgestones because they're cheapest.
I'll need a bike to fit these to of course, what bike should I buy? It needs to be sporty, comfortable, cheap, reliable, cheap, not a Yamaha because I don't like purple? I like the idea of a GXSR but then again I have actually already bought a Fazer. Or maybe not.
And why do i need to remove my helmet when filling with petrol but Muslim ladies are not required to remove their head garments?
Just wind it up and watch it fking go...
just a small edit you forgotAnd then, if you meet another biker coming the other way, how do you acknowledge them? Only I'm potentially twice confused by these events, do I nod? If so how? A slight angular nod? Or up down? Would this nodding affect my speed reading if a copper is monitoring me with a speed gun? If so what about if I carry a line of CDs across my chest?
But then again it's coming into winter. What heated grips shall I use? With what gloves? Will I need a second bike? How do you guys store your other main bike over winter? What tyres will I used? Will I use PR4s? Maybe PR4s? Definitely PR4s, but I bought bridgestones because they're cheapest.
I'll need a bike to fit these to of course, what bike should I buy? It needs to be sporty, comfortable, cheap, reliable, cheap, not a Yamaha because I don't like purple? I like the idea of a GXSR but then again I have actually already bought a Fazer. Or maybe not.
And why do i need to remove my helmet when filling with petrol but Muslim ladies are not required to remove their head garments?
Just wind it up and watch it f
king go...At least I think they're Muslim, they all are aren't they?
For the record I do know the difference between Hindu, Sikh and Muslim, but thought I'd go with Facebook / NP&E style ignorance
Edited by LoonR1 on Wednesday 14th October 17:31
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