RE: MotoGP Malaysia: PH2

[Reardy Mister]

FER4L said:

My tupporth, for what it's worth -

It wasn't initially obvious what MM was up to in Aus, but re-watching the race it's there to see, and the lap times plus the ability to scramble to victory on the last lap bear it out

Vale's outburst was therefore totally unexpected, but actually very fair warning

MM greatly compounded the issue by oh-so-obviously frigging about in Malaysia before & during the race, and doing so in a way that showed that he clearly didn't care if Rossi stayed on the bike or not (possibly with a slight preference for the latter). That to me is totally unacceptable, deserving in itself of penalty, and I'm sorry to say that I've lost all respect for MM as a sportsman, having until very recently seen him as Vale's natural successor

Vale probably overreacted slightly to make the point - 'what are you up to, if all we are going to do is trip each other up then what's the point' - but gave fair warning, didn't run MM off the track, didn't kick him, & didn't even knock him off - MM's fall was caused entirely by him leaning on Vale's bike instead of tucking in behind & turning in safely

Race direction and the FIM have both therefore got it wrong, and very unfairly so, IMHO

However, looking on the bright side, if the collision hadn't occurred Vale probably wouldn't have finished the race upright, having been skittled at some point by MM's misguided derring do, and it's probably a sight easier (if still a very tall order) for him to win the championship from the back of the grid in Valencia than from the front of the grid without the Malaysian points, having taken a tumble in a 'racing incident' with MM

One last thought - Vale's never had a problem being beaten in a proper fight, as witness his reaction to being thrumped by Dani in recent rounds - and (OK that's 2 last thoughts! he wasn't in the least culpable for MM riding into his back wheel earlier in the year, which seems to be the root cause of it all

Anyway, if there is a God, fairness will prevail...!

Cheers

Matt

Well reasoned and well put. You can definitely stay.

[FER4L]

Reardy Mister said:

Well reasoned and well put. You can definitely stay.

Thanks!

[jcl]

LoonR1 said:

jcl said:

It's obvious what has been going on for at least the last three races. Sporting corruption at the highest level.

fk Dorna and Marquez.

Another conspiracy theory wibblist

Nutter

You really think Marquez was honestly attempting to pass Rossi? Destroying his tires by late braking and then backing off mid corner multiple times.

It's clear to a 10 year old that Dorna doesn't want Rossi to win. Who know's how much has been bet against him not winning or Lorenzo winning, you know like what occurred within FIFA and has taken place in every other sport.

As Rossi said, they got what they wanted.

[LoonR1]

jcl said:

You really think Marquez was honestly attempting to pass Rossi? Destroying his tires by late braking and then backing off mid corner multiple times.

It's clear to a 10 year old that Dorna doesn't want Rossi to win. Who know's how much has been bet against him not winning or Lorenzo winning, you know like what occurred within FIFA and has taken place in every other sport.

As Rossi said, they got what they wanted.

Can you ride a bike? Late braking does not destroy your tyres.

Rossi arguably saved the sport that Dorna owns. Do you think they want their spectacle ruined? They want it to go to the last race of the season

You're spouting wibblist drivel

[GT3-RS]

just to make one thing clear first....I'm a motorcycle racing fan and only support exciting racing and have no allegiance to any one rider so here's my take......without a doubt Rossi should've been black flagged and points docked to put him and Jorge on the same points for the last round...although it's said that Rossi single handed saved MotoGP (fair point) he has now also brought the sport into disrepute which is wrong and a severe punishment should be handed out (is a rear of the Grid start penalty for the next round enough?) this judgement by race direction will be used as a bench marker for future incidents........it seems everyone's saying Marquez shouldn't have got involved in the championship title but he's a racer and if he's quick enough he's in the race if Rossi can't get passed then he needs to speed up that's why it's called Racing and is why we watch it we love the dicing the close overtaking....Rossi appears to have thrown all his toys out of the pram and has now handed Jorge the title barring a miracle..oh and one other thing......Well done Dani Pedrosa a proper racer

[cd1957]

Hi all, what Rossi did was deliberate and he should have been disqualified for it.Marquez was trying to slow Rossi down
just by fighting for the racing line on every corner.
There were other minor infringements that were more heavily punished for it.

I have been watching Danny Kent over the last few races, and his bottle has gone, he looks scared of loosing and should just ride the way he was at the beginning of the season.I hope he gets it done but not sure.

Chris

[Fleegle]

GT3-RS said:

this judgement by race direction will be used as a bench marker for future incidents........

The benchmark had already been set earlier in the season. The punishment was based on a similar(but less controversial) incident involving Karel Hanika.

People will argue whether or not the punishment fits the crime, but race direction have to make a decision and the riders (and fans) have to accept that

[Fleegle]

woowahwoo said:

Fleegle said:

The benchmark had already been set earlier in the season. The punishment was based on a similar(but less controversial) incident involving Karel Hanika.

People will argue whether or not the punishment fits the crime, but race direction have to make a decision and the riders (and fans) have to accept that

I think the fact that Hanika did it post-race alters the comparison of the punishments. Also, Hanika did get off too lightly, imo. The punishment resulting from Race Directions judgement on Rossi's transgression does not address the outcome for the other riders, which is that Rossi keeps the points and Marquez takes zero. Compare this with Kent, who by running slightly wide at some points, was forced to drop a place during the race. In this context, those two punishments do not seem balanced.

Without a punishment that considers the race result, this behaviour is left open to be used as a tactic, because if a title is at stake then a few points and starting at the back next time are a cheap cost. That is a precedent they should be avoiding.

I don't disagree with you, but you start a season with a set of rules and hope that you can stick with them. They have changed the rules in Moto3 to try and be fair in regard to the advantages of getting the tow.
I'm sure at the beginning of the season they hadn't anticipated have to preside over what Hanika did, and even worse admit that he wanted to cause a crash. He received 5 points for that (I believe). The fact that Rossi stated that it wasn't his intention to cause a crash makes this incident (rightly or wrongly) less severe

I'm sure race direction will be considering re-writing the rule book post season to ensure tactical crashes are punishable

[George29]

Ed Straker said:

He deliberately ran MM wide.

There is nothing wrong with that. He was ahead of Marquez, and Marquez knew exactly where Rossi was, yet still turned in. If he used a bit of common sense he would have rolled the throttle and tucked in behind Rossi. Then he could have continued with his plans to disrupt Rossi's race...

[Quinny]

Ed Straker said:

Rossi is a fraud.
He's as gay as Christmas, and has never consistently beaten the Aliens.
Won his titles when the next best was Sete Gibernau FFS.

Jeez I've heard it all now.......so he never won titles when he beat Biaggi, Melandri, Cappirossi, Barros, ,Pedrosa, Stoner, Lorenzo and a host of other top name riders???

Errr ok if you say so....

[Ed Straker]

LoonR1 said:

Any point you were making disappeared when you post ste like that. Whether he is, or isn't gay is absolutely irrelevant.

No it isn't
I made the point that he's a fraud.
If he is gay - and I'm certainly not the first to say he is, then he invites legitimate criticism by selling the whole VR46 WLF Bullst.

[Reardy Mister]

Ed Straker said:

LoonR1 said:

Any point you were making disappeared when you post ste like that. Whether he is, or isn't gay is absolutely irrelevant.

No it isn't
I made the point that he's a fraud.
If he is gay - and I'm certainly not the first to say he is, then he invites legitimate criticism by selling the whole VR46 WLF Bullst.

So shall we wait to find out if he is or not before we express our disapproval at the charade, or just use sexuality as an insult until we know for sure?

[Ed Straker]

Quinny said:

Jeez I've heard it all now.......so he never won titles when he beat Biaggi, Melandri, Cappirossi, Barros, ,Pedrosa, Stoner, Lorenzo and a host of other top name riders???

Errr ok if you say so....

Lol. You make my point for me!
Using YOUR list - how many of those guys are 500/MGP world champions?!
Case rests for the prosecution fella.

[boxedin]

Ed Straker said:

Lol. You make my point for me!
Using YOUR list - how many of those guys are 500/MGP world champions?!
Case rests for the prosecution fella.

The entertainment is strong in this one. Please continue.

[Reardy Mister]

boxedin said:

Ed Straker said:

Lol. You make my point for me!
Using YOUR list - how many of those guys are 500/MGP world champions?!
Case rests for the prosecution fella.

The entertainment is strong in this one. Please continue.

I started looking up the stats for each for them (including which of them finished behind VR in the lower classes AND the premier class) but its more fun to watch him flail.

[Quinny]

Ed Straker said:

Quinny said:

Jeez I've heard it all now.......so he never won titles when he beat Biaggi, Melandri, Cappirossi, Barros, ,Pedrosa, Stoner, Lorenzo and a host of other top name riders???

Errr ok if you say so....

Lol. You make my point for me!
Using YOUR list - how many of those guys are 500/MGP world champions?!
Case rests for the prosecution fella.

You're bonkers mate..... It's pretty much impossible to have a sensible debate with someone that thinks Rossi has never won against strong opposition.....

[Charliecloud]

jcl said:

It's clear to a 10 year old that Dorna doesn't want Rossi to win. Who know's how much has been bet against him not winning or Lorenzo winning, you know like what occurred within FIFA and has taken place in every other sport.

So we have established that you are 10 years old.Still believe in Father Christmas and the fairies!

[Ed Straker]

Quinny said:

You're bonkers mate..... It's pretty much impossible to have a sensible debate with someone that thinks Rossi has never won against strong opposition.....

Oh dear - you've realised what you've done haven't you?
Shall I count the Premier World Champions on your list for you?


Ok, I tell you what, as I'm in the mood, lets take your analogy on a level....
In the early 90's - pick a year it doesn't really matter, to win a 500GP, you may have to beat:

Wayne Rainey
Mick Doohan
Eddie Lawson
Kevin Schwantz
Wayne Gardner

Compare my list to yours and tell me again that yours is "strong"
Go on - I double dare you.

[cayman-black]

I am amazed how most on here can knock a 9 times world champion.

[LoonR1]

cayman-black said:

I am amazed how most on here can knock a 9 times world champion.

It's not "most" amd the comments are very supportive that he is world class. However, many are criticising him for what he did at the weekend and are quite correct to do so IMO.