RE: MotoGP Malaysia: PH2
Discussion
Steve Bass said:
Oh dear - you've realised what you've done haven't you?
You've made yourself look a complete prat...
Rossi entered the premier class in 2000,winning the last 500 Championship in 2001 and then the MotoGP Championships in 2002 and 2003.
Considering the individuals in your list weren't even racing when he entered the premier class, how exactly does that make him a fraud?? He raced the people who were in the class at the time. Trying to make comparisons across the years is idiocy. Can you tell me Doohan would have excelled on a 990? Would Roberts have had the corner speed required on current MotoGP machinery?
You can't say, so to postulate they were better then is stupid. They were good in their time, nothing more.
Alternatively, should Rossi have employed Doc Brown and gone "Back to the Future" so he could race everyone including Agostini, Ivy, Surtees, Sheene etc just to prove to the cretins here his credentials.
For the record, Rossi has won 7 Premier Class titles, 2nd only to Giacomo Agostini. Not bad for a fraud wouldn't you say?.
But lets look at your list shall we....
Wayne Rainey.........3
Mick Doohan..........5
Eddie Lawson.........4
Kevin Schwantz.......1
Wayne Gardner........1
Wow, only Doohan comes remotely close....
Now try and make yourself look less of a tit
Go on - I double dare you.
Quinny has exited stage left - doneYou've made yourself look a complete prat...
Rossi entered the premier class in 2000,winning the last 500 Championship in 2001 and then the MotoGP Championships in 2002 and 2003.
Considering the individuals in your list weren't even racing when he entered the premier class, how exactly does that make him a fraud?? He raced the people who were in the class at the time. Trying to make comparisons across the years is idiocy. Can you tell me Doohan would have excelled on a 990? Would Roberts have had the corner speed required on current MotoGP machinery?
You can't say, so to postulate they were better then is stupid. They were good in their time, nothing more.
Alternatively, should Rossi have employed Doc Brown and gone "Back to the Future" so he could race everyone including Agostini, Ivy, Surtees, Sheene etc just to prove to the cretins here his credentials.
For the record, Rossi has won 7 Premier Class titles, 2nd only to Giacomo Agostini. Not bad for a fraud wouldn't you say?.
But lets look at your list shall we....
Wayne Rainey.........3
Mick Doohan..........5
Eddie Lawson.........4
Kevin Schwantz.......1
Wayne Gardner........1
Wow, only Doohan comes remotely close....
Now try and make yourself look less of a tit
Go on - I double dare you.
Edited by Steve Bass on Tuesday 27th October 22:43
I'll deal with your selective (mis)quoting just for the hell of it, and just to watch some more brainwashed Rossi fanboys spit the dummy.
Q1: He is a Fraud because I believe he's gay and the only reason he doesn't come out is commercial. Of course I accept that I could be wrong. It's an opinion.
Let's deal with the meat of your question.
You miss my point, (deliberately I fancy)but it's a simple one.
Rossi sat on the 500/MGP grid and had to beat a far lower standard of rider.
Sure, he did it 7 times - but against who?
Quinneys own list is bereft of Blue Riband champs - Stoner being the honourable exception.
The others he cited were good, but not great.
I mean, he left off Hayden, who actually was a Champ - which reinforces the point about the quality of the field if NH can make it to the top.
It was the same in the later years for Doohan.
Alex Criville was the only competition.
If you honestly believe that Rossi would take 7 titles in the 90's against the guys on my list then fair enough.
I happen to think Rossi is the best racer I've ever seen. Not the fastest, but the most savvy.
He intimidated Sete completely.
The competition was poor - accepting you can only beat the guys in front of you.
But since the Aliens landed, his Star isn't so bright, and his talent has a real yardstick to measure against.
I just wish he and George went into the last race on equal points and if he beat George in a straight up fight then even I'd concede he is probably the GOAT.
As it stands, I think he's got away with murder, and I will PMSL if MM just torpedoes him out.
Ed Straker said:
But since the Aliens landed, his Star isn't so bright, and his talent has a real yardstick to measure against.
Ok. I will only use the Alien landing yardstick, it is way way too complex to go into all the other scenarios and years and who is or was involved in the championships, this including all the 500cc titles involving Doohan and others.I really do think you do a lot of riders an injustice thinking they merely have to turn up and ride the thing.
Have a look, I have only used the aliens and where they came roughly so you may understand that they didn't turn up and kick Rossi's ass all over the place.
I am a fan of the sport since the late 80s and am not too fussed which one wins it this season so not a 'fanboy', I admire Rossi greatly and have great respect for what he has achieved and done for the sport so to say he has done it while competing against no one is quite disrespectful really and odd from a man who is a fan too.
2006, The first two aliens show up in the form of Pedrosa and Stoner, granted they are rookies but Rossi beats them both after 3 DNFs but loses the title to Hayden by 5 points.
2007, Rossi finishes the campionship 3rd behind Pedrosa and Stoner after a poor year.
2008, Rossi champion beating Pedrosa and Stoner after another alien turns up, this time Lorenzo joins the party, he quite obviously beats him to.
2009, Rossi champ, none of the other aliens are rookies this year.
2010, Rossi didnt start 4 races, finishes third, ahead of Stoner.
2011, Im pretty sure he would prefer to forget these years haha
2012, See above.
2013, Back on the Yamaha and completely headf
ked by the Ducati and the whole experience, one Alien has fked off to be replaced by another, Marquez. Comfortably ass whupped by all of them.2014, Rossi second to Marquez, beating two other Aliens in the process.
2015, Title contender.
Edited to add: Does Rossi being aboard the Ducati when Lorenzo took his two titles take away what Jorge achieved? With your logic it does!
Edited by curlie467 on Wednesday 28th October 16:30
Ed Straker said:
He's as gay as Christmas,
and has never consistently beaten the Aliens.
You realise that he is one of the original quartet of aliens (Valentino Rossi, Jorge Lorenzo, Dani Pedrosa and Casey Stoner) as coined by Randy de Puniet.and has never consistently beaten the Aliens.
As for your homophobic bile go and have a word with yourself.
woowahwoo said:
curlie467 said:
Edited to add: Does Rossi being aboard the Ducati when Lorenzo took his two titles take away what Jorge achieved? With your logic it does!
Um, Rossi was Lorenzo's team mate at Yamaha when Lorenzo took the title in 2010Edited by curlie467 on Wednesday 28th October 16:30
But on the same screwed up logic that takes away some credibility of Stoners title too.
Ed Straker said:
Steve Bass said:
Oh dear - you've realised what you've done haven't you?
You've made yourself look a complete prat...
Rossi entered the premier class in 2000,winning the last 500 Championship in 2001 and then the MotoGP Championships in 2002 and 2003.
Considering the individuals in your list weren't even racing when he entered the premier class, how exactly does that make him a fraud?? He raced the people who were in the class at the time. Trying to make comparisons across the years is idiocy. Can you tell me Doohan would have excelled on a 990? Would Roberts have had the corner speed required on current MotoGP machinery?
You can't say, so to postulate they were better then is stupid. They were good in their time, nothing more.
Alternatively, should Rossi have employed Doc Brown and gone "Back to the Future" so he could race everyone including Agostini, Ivy, Surtees, Sheene etc just to prove to the cretins here his credentials.
For the record, Rossi has won 7 Premier Class titles, 2nd only to Giacomo Agostini. Not bad for a fraud wouldn't you say?.
But lets look at your list shall we....
Wayne Rainey.........3
Mick Doohan..........5
Eddie Lawson.........4
Kevin Schwantz.......1
Wayne Gardner........1
Wow, only Doohan comes remotely close....
Now try and make yourself look less of a tit
Go on - I double dare you.
Quinny has exited stage left - doneYou've made yourself look a complete prat...
Rossi entered the premier class in 2000,winning the last 500 Championship in 2001 and then the MotoGP Championships in 2002 and 2003.
Considering the individuals in your list weren't even racing when he entered the premier class, how exactly does that make him a fraud?? He raced the people who were in the class at the time. Trying to make comparisons across the years is idiocy. Can you tell me Doohan would have excelled on a 990? Would Roberts have had the corner speed required on current MotoGP machinery?
You can't say, so to postulate they were better then is stupid. They were good in their time, nothing more.
Alternatively, should Rossi have employed Doc Brown and gone "Back to the Future" so he could race everyone including Agostini, Ivy, Surtees, Sheene etc just to prove to the cretins here his credentials.
For the record, Rossi has won 7 Premier Class titles, 2nd only to Giacomo Agostini. Not bad for a fraud wouldn't you say?.
But lets look at your list shall we....
Wayne Rainey.........3
Mick Doohan..........5
Eddie Lawson.........4
Kevin Schwantz.......1
Wayne Gardner........1
Wow, only Doohan comes remotely close....
Now try and make yourself look less of a tit
Go on - I double dare you.
Edited by Steve Bass on Tuesday 27th October 22:43
I'll deal with your selective (mis)quoting just for the hell of it, and just to watch some more brainwashed Rossi fanboys spit the dummy.
Q1: He is a Fraud because I believe he's gay and the only reason he doesn't come out is commercial. Of course I accept that I could be wrong. It's an opinion.
Let's deal with the meat of your question.
You miss my point, (deliberately I fancy)but it's a simple one.
Rossi sat on the 500/MGP grid and had to beat a far lower standard of rider.
Sure, he did it 7 times - but against who?
Quinneys own list is bereft of Blue Riband champs - Stoner being the honourable exception.
The others he cited were good, but not great.
I mean, he left off Hayden, who actually was a Champ - which reinforces the point about the quality of the field if NH can make it to the top.
It was the same in the later years for Doohan.
Alex Criville was the only competition.
If you honestly believe that Rossi would take 7 titles in the 90's against the guys on my list then fair enough.
I happen to think Rossi is the best racer I've ever seen. Not the fastest, but the most savvy.
He intimidated Sete completely.
The competition was poor - accepting you can only beat the guys in front of you.
But since the Aliens landed, his Star isn't so bright, and his talent has a real yardstick to measure against.
I just wish he and George went into the last race on equal points and if he beat George in a straight up fight then even I'd concede he is probably the GOAT.
As it stands, I think he's got away with murder, and I will PMSL if MM just torpedoes him out.
But lets go through it, just for giggles.
Please show me where I profess to being a VR fanboi? I'm a fan of the racing and recognise Rossi's achievements to date.
I applaud Rossi as I do Dani, Lorenzo, Stoner et al.
Rossi's sexuality is as relevant to the discussion as much as yours is. If is said I think you're a
, would that be fair on my current opinion of you or do I need some form of substantiation? For this one alone, you've really made yourself and your thoughts as irrelevant as could be. Well done.As for Rossi not beating you "Blue Ribbon" list, how can you say he wouldn't?
Can you tell me Doohan would of mastered the 4T's? Can you say for certain that any of the 80's to 90's riders would have assimilated into the new bikes and been successful? No, it's a meaningless comparison because it didn't happen. Rossi raced the competition he had. To say that the people he's faced over the time of his career are sub standard proves nothing other than your mind boggling ignorance.
As for your comment " Since the Aliens landed", again, you're doing afar better job of showing yourself up than I ever could.
HE IS ONE OF THE ALIENS. Do your research as see who made the comment and about who.
You wish...?
I wish idiots like you would come here with something well reasoned, researched or considered to say rather than venting the idiotic diarrhea.
Although if making yourself look a tit was your original aim, well done. Mission accomplished.
Looks like this Ed fella, has got you well and truly beat Steve...I know how it feels mate..
Oh and Ed, as for being a Rossi fan boy, sorry to disappoint you, but Pedrosa is my man, always has been...... You know who he is don't you.....he's the crappy also ran that's never won a championship in the premier class...
Oh and Ed, as for being a Rossi fan boy, sorry to disappoint you, but Pedrosa is my man, always has been...... You know who he is don't you.....he's the crappy also ran that's never won a championship in the premier class...
FIM President Vito Ippolito addresses recent events in an open letter to the MotoGP™ community.
The recent events arising in connection with the competition for the 2015 FIM MotoGP™ world title have had a damaging effect on the staging of our competitions and poisoned the atmosphere around the sport. We are moving away from the tradition of pride in sportsmanship that is part of the heritage of motorcycling.
Everyone has the right to express his or her own ideas. But words and actions always have consequences. Every individual has to take responsibility for those consequences.
The riders, first of all, must be aware of this. Each one of them has thousands of fans who follow their exploits on the track and listen to what they say off the track. For that reason, we look to them, not just in this Championship but in all our disciplines, to set the best example of what our sport should and aspires to be.
This responsibility is also shared by the people who form their entourage, beginning with their teams and sponsors. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter, if some of those people unnecessarily fuel polemics about events or decisions in a wrongheaded way, they are doing a great disservice to the sport, to the detriment of our entire community and all the good things it offers to everyone.
Riders, teams, manufacturers and sponsors should not only respect the rules but they should accept the decisions of the officials, whatever they may be. Otherwise, they are contributing to anarchy and undermining the future development of our sport.
On behalf of the FIM and all those who are doing their best to bring about a happy conclusion to this Championship, I express the hope that at the next and final round in Valencia the riders will fight it out on the track and in a way that fully respects the spirit of fair play.
Vito Ippolito
FIM President
The recent events arising in connection with the competition for the 2015 FIM MotoGP™ world title have had a damaging effect on the staging of our competitions and poisoned the atmosphere around the sport. We are moving away from the tradition of pride in sportsmanship that is part of the heritage of motorcycling.
Everyone has the right to express his or her own ideas. But words and actions always have consequences. Every individual has to take responsibility for those consequences.
The riders, first of all, must be aware of this. Each one of them has thousands of fans who follow their exploits on the track and listen to what they say off the track. For that reason, we look to them, not just in this Championship but in all our disciplines, to set the best example of what our sport should and aspires to be.
This responsibility is also shared by the people who form their entourage, beginning with their teams and sponsors. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter, if some of those people unnecessarily fuel polemics about events or decisions in a wrongheaded way, they are doing a great disservice to the sport, to the detriment of our entire community and all the good things it offers to everyone.
Riders, teams, manufacturers and sponsors should not only respect the rules but they should accept the decisions of the officials, whatever they may be. Otherwise, they are contributing to anarchy and undermining the future development of our sport.
On behalf of the FIM and all those who are doing their best to bring about a happy conclusion to this Championship, I express the hope that at the next and final round in Valencia the riders will fight it out on the track and in a way that fully respects the spirit of fair play.
Vito Ippolito
FIM President
[quote=Farlig]FIM President Vito Ippolito addresses recent events in an open letter to the MotoGP™ community.
The recent events arising in connection with the competition for the 2015 FIM MotoGP™ world title have had a damaging effect on the staging of our competitions and poisoned the atmosphere around the sport. We are moving away from the tradition of pride in sportsmanship that is part of the heritage of motorcycling.
Everyone has the right to express his or her own ideas. But words and actions always have consequences. Every individual has to take responsibility for those consequences.
The riders, first of all, must be aware of this. Each one of them has thousands of fans who follow their exploits on the track and listen to what they say off the track. For that reason, we look to them, not just in this Championship but in all our disciplines, to set the best example of what our sport should and aspires to be.
This responsibility is also shared by the people who form their entourage, beginning with their teams and sponsors. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter, if some of those people unnecessarily fuel polemics about events or decisions in a wrongheaded way, they are doing a great disservice to the sport, to the detriment of our entire community and all the good things it offers to everyone.
Riders, teams, manufacturers and sponsors should not only respect the rules but they should accept the decisions of the officials, whatever they may be. Otherwise, they are contributing to anarchy and undermining the future development of our sport.
On behalf of the FIM and all those who are doing their best to bring about a happy conclusion to this Championship, I express the hope that at the next and final round in Valencia the riders will fight it out on the track and in a way that fully respects the spirit of fair play.
Vito Ippolito
FIM President
Vito - if you had the first idea who was misbehaving, who caused (and / or didn't care whether he caused) a crash, your words would ring true. As it is, race direction and FIM are frankly unfit to govern, and should stand down forthwith
Sorry if that spoils your cosy vision, but it's the truth...
The recent events arising in connection with the competition for the 2015 FIM MotoGP™ world title have had a damaging effect on the staging of our competitions and poisoned the atmosphere around the sport. We are moving away from the tradition of pride in sportsmanship that is part of the heritage of motorcycling.
Everyone has the right to express his or her own ideas. But words and actions always have consequences. Every individual has to take responsibility for those consequences.
The riders, first of all, must be aware of this. Each one of them has thousands of fans who follow their exploits on the track and listen to what they say off the track. For that reason, we look to them, not just in this Championship but in all our disciplines, to set the best example of what our sport should and aspires to be.
This responsibility is also shared by the people who form their entourage, beginning with their teams and sponsors. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the matter, if some of those people unnecessarily fuel polemics about events or decisions in a wrongheaded way, they are doing a great disservice to the sport, to the detriment of our entire community and all the good things it offers to everyone.
Riders, teams, manufacturers and sponsors should not only respect the rules but they should accept the decisions of the officials, whatever they may be. Otherwise, they are contributing to anarchy and undermining the future development of our sport.
On behalf of the FIM and all those who are doing their best to bring about a happy conclusion to this Championship, I express the hope that at the next and final round in Valencia the riders will fight it out on the track and in a way that fully respects the spirit of fair play.
Vito Ippolito
FIM President
Vito - if you had the first idea who was misbehaving, who caused (and / or didn't care whether he caused) a crash, your words would ring true. As it is, race direction and FIM are frankly unfit to govern, and should stand down forthwith
Sorry if that spoils your cosy vision, but it's the truth...
This is good take on the whole Rossi saga:
To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...
http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...
To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...
http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...
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