RE: MotoGP Malaysia: PH2

[LoonR1]

D200 said:

This is good take on the whole Rossi saga:

To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...

An excellent read and sums up my thoughts perfectly. Sadly as you say the Rossi fanbois will be too blind to see it.

[Johno]

LoonR1 said:

D200 said:

This is good take on the whole Rossi saga:

To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...

An excellent read and sums up my thoughts perfectly. Sadly as you say the Rossi fanbois will be too blind to see it.

Great piece, thanks for sharing.

[D200]

If you havent read them Part 1 & 2 also very good reads:

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...

[dukeboy749r]

Johno said:

Great piece, thanks for sharing.

+1

Rossi - for whom I have never been a fan, was, however, simply one of the best riders. Period.

But that is a huge WAS

Disgraceful.

Man up Dorna and take all of his points off him for Sepang and see how he reacts.

[Biker's Nemesis]

[LoonR1]

Biker's Nemesis said:

[Reardy Mister]

Johno said:

LoonR1 said:

D200 said:

This is good take on the whole Rossi saga:

To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...

An excellent read and sums up my thoughts perfectly. Sadly as you say the Rossi fanbois will be too blind to see it.

Great piece, thanks for sharing.

He makes some valid points but they're mainly just different angles on stuff we've already discussed as rank amateurs and they're largely still just opinions or unsubstantiated theories, just like we all have . And it reads like self-congratulatory, "I own the final word" bilge. I've read better stuff, more succinctly put, on here.

[amgmcqueen]

Johno said:

LoonR1 said:

D200 said:

This is good take on the whole Rossi saga:

To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...

An excellent read and sums up my thoughts perfectly. Sadly as you say the Rossi fanbois will be too blind to see it.

Great piece, thanks for sharing.

Oh god not ANOTHER one of those dreadful articles written by the ultimate Rossi hater!

I read the first 2 which were just inane drivel from start to finish. The delusional author as I seem to recall was making stories and events out of thin air based on various words commentators used. Laughable!

The thing that amuses me most is how wound up non Rossi fans get. They just cannot bare how much admiration the guy gets and that includes the other riders.

[LoonR1]

amgmcqueen said:

Oh god not ANOTHER one of those dreadful articles written by the ultimate Rossi hater!

I read the first 2 which were just inane drivel from start to finish. The delusional author as I seem to recall was making stories and events out of thin air based on various words commentators used. Laughable!

The thing that amuses me most is how wound up non Rossi fans get. They just cannot bare how much admiration the guy gets and that includes the other riders.

Ah the classic PH argument.

I'm a maniacal Rossi fan and anyone who doesn't agree with me in worshipping at the altar of Rossi is automatically an absolute hater of him.

[D200]

amgmcqueen said:

Oh god not ANOTHER one of those dreadful articles written by the ultimate Rossi hater!

I read the first 2 which were just inane drivel from start to finish. The delusional author as I seem to recall was making stories and events out of thin air based on various words commentators used. Laughable!

The thing that amuses me most is how wound up non Rossi fans get. They just cannot bare how much admiration the guy gets and that includes the other riders.

You are the ultimate Rossi idiot fanboy who can’t accept that there are people on earth who are not in love with Vale and can have a valid opinions that don’t centre on Rossi being the God of Gods that can do no wrong.

They are well written articles backed up with examples and facts and make logical sense. You may not agree with everything he says but if you think every point on all 3 articles are ‘inane drivel’ then please explain exactly what is ‘inane drivel’ from start to finish. Explain how everything he says is wrong and back it up with examples and facts.

You won’t, as you can’t, as you are an idiot fan boy who is in love with ‘The Doctor’

You are so in love with VR46 that if he turned out to be a pedophile child murdering Nazi he would still be the GOAT and you would still be head over heels in love with him.

This whole recent saga stinks to the high heavens but it has finally made a lot more people realise what type of ‘sportsman’ Vale is

[egor110]

D200 said:

amgmcqueen said:

Oh god not ANOTHER one of those dreadful articles written by the ultimate Rossi hater!

I read the first 2 which were just inane drivel from start to finish. The delusional author as I seem to recall was making stories and events out of thin air based on various words commentators used. Laughable!

The thing that amuses me most is how wound up non Rossi fans get. They just cannot bare how much admiration the guy gets and that includes the other riders.

You are the ultimate Rossi idiot fanboy who can’t accept that there are people on earth who are not in love with Vale and can have a valid opinions that don’t centre on Rossi being the God of Gods that can do no wrong.

They are well written articles backed up with examples and facts and make logical sense. You may not agree with everything he says but if you think every point on all 3 articles are ‘inane drivel’ then please explain exactly what is ‘inane drivel’ from start to finish. Explain how everything he says is wrong and back it up with examples and facts.

You won’t, as you can’t, as you are an idiot fan boy who is in love with ‘The Doctor’

You are so in love with VR46 that if he turned out to be a pedophile child murdering Nazi he would still be the GOAT and you would still be head over heels in love with him.

This whole recent saga stinks to the high heavens but it has finally made a lot more people realise what type of ‘sportsman’ Vale is

Beats me how grown adults go mental over rossi .

I support riders down to whose most local to me ( smith/redding/the real #46) or bautista down to meeting him and he was a really decent bloke with views of world events beyond the race track.

He'd been on some trip to Africa with riders for health and what he witnessed obviously had impact on him.

However i couldn't worship any one rider because I'm a adult and they are just people , they bleed like me and they will die the same as me .

[Disastrous]

LoonR1 said:

D200 said:

This is good take on the whole Rossi saga:

To all the Rossi fanboys, who are not Motorcycle racing fans, or even motoGP fans but solely Rossi fans, nothing will change their opinion of their hero but you should read this anyway...

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/the-yellow-letter-the-m...

An excellent read and sums up my thoughts perfectly. Sadly as you say the Rossi fanbois will be too blind to see it.

I'm afraid I found that tremendously badly written. Littered with typos and clumsy prose to the point where it becomes difficult to read. I don't disagree with the sentiment especially but think a). He needs to stop stting his pants over 'motorcycling' darkest day' or whatever b). Take a course in English at the college and b). Get a fking proof reader. It's like it was typed on an iPhone ffs!

As a Rossi fan, I think he dropped a massive bk, got rattled mentally and Lorenzo will take the title as a result of his nonsense. I don't feel as though he's fked my kids they way some seem to.

Looking forward to Valencia.

[LoonR1]

Disastrous said:

I'm afraid I found that tremendously badly written. Littered with typos and clumsy prose to the point where it becomes difficult to read. I don't disagree with the sentiment especially but think a). He needs to stop stting his pants over 'motorcycling' darkest day' or whatever b). Take a course in English at the college and b). Get a fking proof reader. It's like it was typed on an iPhone ffs!

As a Rossi fan, I think he dropped a massive bk, got rattled mentally and Lorenzo will take the title as a result of his nonsense. I don't feel as though he's fked my kids they way some seem to.

Looking forward to Valencia.

Brilliant. His whole argument and point is nullified because he spelled a few words incorrectly

[Disastrous]

LoonR1 said:

Disastrous said:

I'm afraid I found that tremendously badly written. Littered with typos and clumsy prose to the point where it becomes difficult to read. I don't disagree with the sentiment especially but think a). He needs to stop stting his pants over 'motorcycling' darkest day' or whatever b). Take a course in English at the college and b). Get a fking proof reader. It's like it was typed on an iPhone ffs!

As a Rossi fan, I think he dropped a massive bk, got rattled mentally and Lorenzo will take the title as a result of his nonsense. I don't feel as though he's fked my kids they way some seem to.

Looking forward to Valencia.

Brilliant. His whole argument and point is nullified because he spelled a few words incorrectly

Except I said I agreed with his point (though not quite as vociferously as him). So you can keep your rolleyes thanks.


On a general point though, yes. If someone is 'publishing' their thoughts and opinions then the least I expect is coherence and literacy. I won't pay much heed to someone who thinks their words are important enough to be read but not important enough to spell check. It's idiotic.

[dukeboy749r]

LoonR1 said:

Disastrous said:

I'm afraid I found that tremendously badly written. Littered with typos and clumsy prose to the point where it becomes difficult to read. I don't disagree with the sentiment especially but think a). He needs to stop stting his pants over 'motorcycling' darkest day' or whatever b). Take a course in English at the college and b). Get a fking proof reader. It's like it was typed on an iPhone ffs!

As a Rossi fan, I think he dropped a massive bk, got rattled mentally and Lorenzo will take the title as a result of his nonsense. I don't feel as though he's fked my kids they way some seem to.

Looking forward to Valencia.

Brilliant. His whole argument and point is nullified because he spelled a few words incorrectly

Once again Loon has hit the proverbial nail on the head.

No one suggested pedophilia - until you wrote that - really is that the way you choose to contrast what many people's frustration is?

I've studied the replays and because someone gave Rossi wat he has given others for years, he went way off track (literally!) and as such, we 'fans' feel he's let us down.

Now, he should suck up the punishment and race in Valencia the way we know he can and then he can claim his 10th title.

[Disastrous]

dukeboy749r said:

LoonR1 said:

Disastrous said:

I'm afraid I found that tremendously badly written. Littered with typos and clumsy prose to the point where it becomes difficult to read. I don't disagree with the sentiment especially but think a). He needs to stop stting his pants over 'motorcycling' darkest day' or whatever b). Take a course in English at the college and b). Get a fking proof reader. It's like it was typed on an iPhone ffs!

As a Rossi fan, I think he dropped a massive bk, got rattled mentally and Lorenzo will take the title as a result of his nonsense. I don't feel as though he's fked my kids they way some seem to.

Looking forward to Valencia.

Brilliant. His whole argument and point is nullified because he spelled a few words incorrectly

Once again Loon has hit the proverbial nail on the head.

No one suggested pedophilia - until you wrote that - really is that the way you choose to contrast what many people's frustration is?

I've studied the replays and because someone gave Rossi wat he has given others for years, he went way off track (literally!) and as such, we 'fans' feel he's let us down.

Now, he should suck up the punishment and race in Valencia the way we know he can and then he can claim his 10th title.

Did you actually read my post? All I ultimately said was "I agree with the article but I'm not as upset about it as some are" and suggested that folk need to get over it a bit. Though I apologise if my analogy offended you.

I also said the article was written very badly but that is beside the point.

ps he literally didn't go off track. He metaphorically did. To my eyes he stayed on the black stuff the entire time.

[dukeboy749r]

Ultimately the sentiment of the article is what has resonated though.

For one individual to be above the law just skews the whole thing, unfairly, for fans, the other racers and the legitimacy of, in this case, Moto GP.

I ignored whatever typos I saw, because what I read fitted with the events as most unbiased people saw them.

He may have stayed on track but had Marquez not lent in, (thinking I'm sure, "Rossi is going to go for it now" [as in go for the corner and leave Marquez behind]), he may well have been forced off track and that would have been truly shocking to see.

[Disastrous]

dukeboy749r said:

Ultimately the sentiment of the article is what has resonated though.

For one individual to be above the law just skews the whole thing, unfairly, for fans, the other racers and the legitimacy of, in this case, Moto GP.

I ignored whatever typos I saw, because what I read fitted with the events as most unbiased people saw them.

He may have stayed on track but had Marquez not lent in, (thinking I'm sure, "Rossi is going to go for it now" [as in go for the corner and leave Marquez behind]), he may well have been forced off track and that would have been truly shocking to see.

I can't argue with that, and concede I may be being needlessly scathing because I'm hungover.

In all honesty, it's just something that annoys me about the internet - pretty much everyone with an opinion can now be a legitimately published writer and as a result so much bks gets posted without any fact checking or credibility. To my mind, the very least you can do is check over the spelling and punctuation to show your readers a bit of respect and suggest that you have actually taken the time to organise your thoughts and not just piss out a stream of consciousness over your keyboard.

I'm not saying the author is wrong in this case, but I hate having to wade through pages of typos and over-emotive prose to get to the bones of it. So whilst yes, I agree with him, it didn't especially resonate with me. I thought Oxley's column on the matter was a lot better though, if you've read it? I think it was posted in the other thread.

[Johno]

Reardy Mister said:

He makes some valid points but they're mainly just different angles on stuff we've already discussed as rank amateurs and they're largely still just opinions or unsubstantiated theories, just like we all have . And it reads like self-congratulatory, "I own the final word" bilge. I've read better stuff, more succinctly put, on here.

The article is a not great literary piece, far from it. It's opinion of course, as the true facts will never come out. We'll never know what was really going on in either of their minds.

What's good about it is that is addresses several of the key points, such as the severity or not of the penalty, this notion that Marquez shouldn't be racing Rossi because of the championship etc .... What's not opinion is that he is able to draw on examples where Rossi has battled his team mate for the win at Motegi even if it possibly jeopardised Lorenzos chances. Or where previous incidents were dealt with by black flags and race suspensions, even if other more recent penalties have been based on penalty points. These are facts that counter many arguments being put forward by people who aren't able or choose not to be able to select these instances from our sports history.

What many of the people putting views forward seem to be are blinkered to is the hypocrisy that defending Rossi to the last degree comes across as, given his involvement in some of these examples.

Whilst the authors use of English isn't succinct and could do without garbage of 'wider than your mum' expressions, many other authors haven't addressed some of the interesting points, treading a fine line between being able to interview Rossi at the next GP and being realistic about the situation.

I've posted 2 links to very well respected journalists pieces on the incident in this very thread and the quality of the writing is night and day, but the articles here does address some of the other points that these journalists haven't and that's why it's a good, if rambling, too long, slightly and charged piece to read.

First overseas MotoGP race we went to was Mugello in '07 mainly to see Rossi race at home, it is still in my top 3 of GP's I've ever been too. I've watched him win at Mugello, in the UK and at Phillip Island and rejoiced in seeing him victorious. I was also at Sepang and felt the energy drop out of the crowd, the disbelief on everyone's faces and the ensuing lack of atmosphere for some time after the event. I also had to endure the frankly pathetic, partisan crap that I've been witness to for Kiyo, for Stoner and for others from crowds at race meetings. If you don't support them, you should not be booing them, after they've done on track what you can't, what you've enjoyed watching and which most will never have the ability to do. Then to read some of the utter drivel, frankly ill informed nonsense, veiled accusations and bilge on the forums just highlights where some are fans of the sport versus those that solely focus on the personalities or individuals.

[blade7]

I'd like to see Rossi nick the title and retire, He's in a win win position anyway. If JL wins it will be seen as though he and MM conspired to fix the result and be a PR disaster for everyone but the Doctor.