RE: MotoGP Valencia: PH2
Discussion
Rawwr said:
FER4L said:
MM wasn't racing Rossi in Sepang though, he was deliberately holding him back...
I wholly agree. Then again, would Marquez have done that if Rossi had said fewer words in the pre-event press conference? In this instance I believe The Doctor was Doctor Frankenstein and created a monster he couldn't control. That didn't end well, either.
FWIW my take on it is that Vale gambled on MM being unlikely, if 'called out', to repeat under the public spotlight what was some pretty subtle derring do in Australia. Clearly not a gamble that paid off in terms of winning the title, as it had the opposite effect & MM's racefixing antics at Sepang were as subtle as a train crash, but it has paid off in emerging with his head held high and cementing the loyalty of those who understood what was going on, who understand how a nigh-on 250kg 'unit' (ie bike and rider) with 2 huge gyroscopes would behave if kicked (er, that'll be noone in race direction, FIM, or many of the journalists paid to understand and report on these things then! 
And MM has been exposed as the cheat that he is, has blatantly lied about it, and in the process lost many fans who until recent events unfolded saw him (myself included, I have to say) as Vale's natural successor
Hey-ho - there are more important things to get uptight about (but not many!
And MM has been exposed as the cheat that he is, has blatantly lied about it, and in the process lost many fans who until recent events unfolded saw him (myself included, I have to say) as Vale's natural successor
Hey-ho - there are more important things to get uptight about (but not many!
FER4L said:
Each to their own opinion! But when you add up that there was no kick, that race direction & FIM got it so badly wrong, that MM's cheating over the last few rounds has been so blatant, I think he's been pretty restrained tbh!
Rossi didn't get penalised for the kick.Cheating also isn't the correct term for Marquez's actions.
Rawwr said:
Rossi didn't get penalised for the kick.
Cheating also isn't the correct term for Marquez's actions.
But the fact that the powers that be thought that there was a kick, and that if there had been a kick it could've had MM off, means that they should be the powers that aren't! Cheating also isn't the correct term for Marquez's actions.
As for cheating, if MM hadn't denied it I'd agree. He did though - and to me racefixing plus lies is enough to equal cheating...
Cheers
Matt
DeltaEvo2 said:
Lovely, really nice to watch - thanks for sharing 
Quinny said:
Yeh....Piro, Petrucci, and Dovi put up one hell of a fight didn't they
.....Iannone would have gifted him a pass too had he not thrown himself to the ground..
Not too sure if you are capable of understanding this, but all the riders on track, bar two, were only too happy to get out of Valentino's way, because he was being robbed......Iannone would have gifted him a pass too had he not thrown himself to the ground..Afterwards all the stands were booing mm & JL on the slowdown lap and on the podium
Rossi is the peoples champion, he was robbed by cheating spaniards, in a Spanish run championship with Spaniards on 3 out of 4 of the fastest bikes.
Pathetic
I think Rossi may have thought that by predicting what MM was going to do (correctly as it turned out) and publicly saying so, somehow he wouldn't then do it. Seems MM didn't care and just rode not 'breaking any rules'.
MM will have gone down a lot for many people though. Claiming he wasn't trying to do anything is just a joke that fools no-one, well maybe some people. At least Rossi admitted he ran MM wide...
MM's claim after the last race that he was planning to go for the win on the last, or second to last, lap is nonsense. That's fine when 3rd is 3 seconds back, but as soon as you see 3rd catching up 0.5 a lap or so with 5 or 6 laps to go, which he would have known for his board, you don't then wait until they are on you before trying to go for the lead, you go earlier.
If pedrosa was still 2 or 3 seconds back going into the final lap I reckon MM would have gone for the win knowing Lorenzo would have still won, didn't want to risk pedrosa passing him to though...
Sad thing is we would have had a very exciting race if Rossi hadn't started from the back, and maybe he would still have been 4th and lost, but we'll never know now.
MM will have gone down a lot for many people though. Claiming he wasn't trying to do anything is just a joke that fools no-one, well maybe some people. At least Rossi admitted he ran MM wide...
MM's claim after the last race that he was planning to go for the win on the last, or second to last, lap is nonsense. That's fine when 3rd is 3 seconds back, but as soon as you see 3rd catching up 0.5 a lap or so with 5 or 6 laps to go, which he would have known for his board, you don't then wait until they are on you before trying to go for the lead, you go earlier.
If pedrosa was still 2 or 3 seconds back going into the final lap I reckon MM would have gone for the win knowing Lorenzo would have still won, didn't want to risk pedrosa passing him to though...
Sad thing is we would have had a very exciting race if Rossi hadn't started from the back, and maybe he would still have been 4th and lost, but we'll never know now.
Edited by ITP on Monday 9th November 23:22
Edited by ITP on Monday 9th November 23:24
I think Rossi may have thought that by predicting what MM was going to do (correctly as it turned out) and publicly saying so, somehow he wouldn't then do it. Seems MM didn't care and just rode not 'breaking any rules'.
MM will have gone down a lot for many people though. Claiming he wasn't trying to do anything is just a joke that fools no-one, well maybe some people. At least Rossi admitted he ran MM wide...
MM's claim after the last race that he was planning to go for the win on the last, or second to last, lap is nonsense. That's fine when 3rd is 3 seconds back, but as soon as you see 3rd catching up 0.5 a lap or so with 5 or 6 laps to go, which he would have known for his board, you don't then wait until they are on you before trying to go for the lead, you go earlier.
If pedrosa was still 2 or 3 seconds back going into the final lap I reckon MM would have gone for the win knowing Lorenzo would have still won, didn't want to risk pedrosa passing him to though...
Sad thing is we would have had a very exciting race if Rossi hadn't started from the back, and maybe he would still have been 4th and lost, but we'll never know now.
MM will have gone down a lot for many people though. Claiming he wasn't trying to do anything is just a joke that fools no-one, well maybe some people. At least Rossi admitted he ran MM wide...
MM's claim after the last race that he was planning to go for the win on the last, or second to last, lap is nonsense. That's fine when 3rd is 3 seconds back, but as soon as you see 3rd catching up 0.5 a lap or so with 5 or 6 laps to go, which he would have known for his board, you don't then wait until they are on you before trying to go for the lead, you go earlier.
If pedrosa was still 2 or 3 seconds back going into the final lap I reckon MM would have gone for the win knowing Lorenzo would have still won, didn't want to risk pedrosa passing him to though...
Sad thing is we would have had a very exciting race if Rossi hadn't started from the back, and maybe he would still have been 4th and lost, but we'll never know now.
Edited by ITP on Monday 9th November 23:22
Edited by ITP on Monday 9th November 23:25
Yep, what we've been robbed of is almost indefinable - would Rossi have won it, would JL have trounced it? Who knows, the main thing we've been robbed of is a fair fight - you can't define it, you can't specify it, but you can feel it - and if you can't, you're a Marquez*!
- other terms may apply...and may rhyme with Cambridge floating things. Or may not
Edited by FER4L on Tuesday 10th November 00:08
FER4L said:
Yep, what we've been robbed of is almost indefinable - would Rossi have won it, would JL have trounced it? Who knows, the main thing we've been robbed of is a fair fight - you can't define it, you can't specify it, but you can feel it - and if you can't, you're a Marquez*!
Robbed? It was never going to be a fair fight. He wasn't quick enough to see which way JL went. He lost the title because he wasn't quick enough. He'd have finished fourth at best even if he started from pole. His lap times were slower than the top three for the whole race. - other terms may apply...and may rhyme with Cambridge floating things. Or may not
Edited by FER4L on Tuesday 10th November 00:08
I'm a VR fan but the only person to blame for not winning the title was himself. He moaned the other week when MM was racing him, yet he moans again when MM (alledgedly) doesn't race JL. Double standards?
He should have kept his mouth shut, not tried his silly mind games and done his talking on the track.
Unfortunately he simply was not quick enough. He hardly dominated the rest of the year did he? A lot of 2nd/3rd places (and 4 wins I know) combined with dnf's for the others put him in contention. If he was that good he'd have won another 4/5 races then he would have been in that position. Its his fault and his alone.
DuraAce said:
Robbed? It was never going to be a fair fight. He wasn't quick enough to see which way JL went. He lost the title because he wasn't quick enough. He'd have finished fourth at best even if he started from pole. His lap times were slower than the top three for the whole race.
I'm a VR fan but the only person to blame for not winning the title was himself. He moaned the other week when MM was racing him, yet he moans again when MM (alledgedly) doesn't race JL. Double standards?
He should have kept his mouth shut, not tried his silly mind games and done his talking on the track.
Unfortunately he simply was not quick enough. He hardly dominated the rest of the year did he? A lot of 2nd/3rd places (and 4 wins I know) combined with dnf's for the others put him in contention. If he was that good he'd have won another 4/5 races then he would have been in that position. Its his fault and his alone.
JL has been epic on his day this year - his day usually involving perfect weather and the ability to break free from the crowd. Hence my earlier comment that he's a very worthy World Champion. However, to say Vale's been rubbish is a bit silly - and you can't argue that we were robbed of a fair fight, win or lose...I'm a VR fan but the only person to blame for not winning the title was himself. He moaned the other week when MM was racing him, yet he moans again when MM (alledgedly) doesn't race JL. Double standards?
He should have kept his mouth shut, not tried his silly mind games and done his talking on the track.
Unfortunately he simply was not quick enough. He hardly dominated the rest of the year did he? A lot of 2nd/3rd places (and 4 wins I know) combined with dnf's for the others put him in contention. If he was that good he'd have won another 4/5 races then he would have been in that position. Its his fault and his alone.
Cheers
Matt
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