RE: MotoGP Valencia: PH2

[Rawwr]

He didn't say Rossi was rubbish. He said he wasn't quick enough.

And yes, I agree that Rossi robbed us all of a better fight.

[DeltaEvo2]

Yeah but to penalise Rossi and make him start from the back smells very fishy...he has been properly kippered. The title HAD to be spanish, HAD to remain in spain and that is what happened. And Biaggi's pathetic reaction, the man is a dhead.

Rossi didn't rob anyone...they robbed him and us of a better fight. Penalise Rossi when MM pushed his helmet in Rossi's leg in Sepang? How is that fair? This is an all spanish plot. The plan is to corner the sport, three fast riders, the sponsors, the head of the sport, the tracks and they've already got a couple of young replacements in line.

And Yamaha investing more on the younger rider...all politics and cash...

Edited by DeltaEvo2 on Tuesday 10th November 07:29

[Rawwr]

Titles by nationality in the last 30 years:

USA 9
AUS 8
ITA 7
SPA 6

[Rawwr]

DeltaEvo2 said:

And Yamaha investing more on the younger rider...all politics and cash...

Who should Yamaha be investing in more? Someone who could potentially stick around for another 10 years or someone who has maybe 1 or 2 left?

[DeltaEvo2]

Let me correct that for you:

500cc/MotoGP champions by nationality:
Country Riders Total
Italy 6 20
United Kingdom 6 17
United States 7 15
Australia 3 8
Spain 3 6
Rhodesia 1 1


500cc/MotoGP multiple champions:
Rider Total Seasons
Italy Giacomo Agostini 8 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1975
Italy Valentino Rossi 7 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009 (although taking into account the 2 other World Titles Rossi would be top).
Australia Mick Doohan 5 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998
United Kingdom Geoff Duke 4 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955
United Kingdom John Surtees 4 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960
United Kingdom Mike Hailwood 4 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965
United States Eddie Lawson 4 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989
United States Kenny Roberts 3 1978, 1979, 1980
United States Wayne Rainey 3 1990, 1991, 1992
Spain Jorge Lorenzo 3 2010, 2012, 2015
Italy Umberto Masetti 2 1950, 1952
United Kingdom Phil Read 2 1973, 1974
United Kingdom Barry Sheene 2 1976, 1977
United States Freddie Spencer 2 1983, 1985
Australia Casey Stoner 2 2007, 2011
Spain Marc Márquez 2 2013, 2014

Someone, somewhere doesn't want Rossi to beat Agostini's record...muwhahaha!

Edited by DeltaEvo2 on Tuesday 10th November 07:35

Edited by DeltaEvo2 on Tuesday 10th November 07:38

[Reardy Mister]

DeltaEvo2 said:

Let me correct that for you:

500cc/MotoGP champions by nationality:
Country Riders Total
Italy 6 20
United Kingdom 6 17
United States 7 15
Australia 3 8
Spain 3 6
Rhodesia 1 1


500cc/MotoGP multiple champions:
Rider Total Seasons
Italy Giacomo Agostini 8 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1975
Italy Valentino Rossi 7 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2008, 2009
Australia Mick Doohan 5 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998
United Kingdom Geoff Duke 4 1951, 1953, 1954, 1955
United Kingdom John Surtees 4 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960
United Kingdom Mike Hailwood 4 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965
United States Eddie Lawson 4 1984, 1986, 1988, 1989
United States Kenny Roberts 3 1978, 1979, 1980
United States Wayne Rainey 3 1990, 1991, 1992
Spain Jorge Lorenzo 3 2010, 2012, 2015
Italy Umberto Masetti 2 1950, 1952
United Kingdom Phil Read 2 1973, 1974
United Kingdom Barry Sheene 2 1976, 1977
United States Freddie Spencer 2 1983, 1985
Australia Casey Stoner 2 2007, 2011
Spain Marc Márquez 2 2013, 2014

Someone, somewhere doesn't want Rossi to beat Agostini's record...muwhahaha!

Edited by DeltaEvo2 on Tuesday 10th November 07:35

You forgot Wayne Gardner. So, indexed against the population of the country of nationality at the time of the win, that makes Australia by far the most successful premier class motorcycling nation! FTW!!!!!1111

[DeltaEvo2]

Bloody wikipedia feeding me the wrong information, such a reliable source has let me down...

[Quinny]

998420 said:

Not too sure if you are capable of understanding this, but all the riders on track, bar two, were only too happy to get out of Valentino's way, because he was being robbed.

Afterwards all the stands were booing mm & JL on the slowdown lap and on the podium

Rossi is the peoples champion, he was robbed by cheating spaniards, in a Spanish run championship with Spaniards on 3 out of 4 of the fastest bikes.

Pathetic

I'm capable of understanding that Rossi cost himself the championship, he won 4 races against Lorenzos 7 and he wasn't fast enough on Sunday no matter what....

As for being the people's champion, he may be yours but he ain't mine, and his failure to attend the awards ceremony is a true measure of his disrespect for his fellow competitors, the organisers, the fans and everybody else that cares about Moto GP racing...

He could learn from Miguel Olivera, whom was obviously disappointed at not getting the championship but still attended, and along with his rivals graciously accepted his second position award

[DuraAce]

Quinny said:

I'm capable of understanding that Rossi cost himself the championship, he won 4 races against Lorenzos 7 and he wasn't fast enough on Sunday no matter what....

As for being the people's champion, he may be yours but he ain't mine, and his failure to attend the awards ceremony is a true measure of his disrespect for his fellow competitors, the organisers, the fans and everybody else that cares about Moto GP racing...

He could learn from Miguel Olivera, whom was obviously disappointed at not getting the championship but still attended, and along with his rivals graciously accepted his second position award

Agreed. If he'd have won another 4/5 races this year he wouldn't have been in this position. He simply wasnt fast enough when it mattered. All this conspiracy talk is comical.

[Fleegle]

Quinny said:

As for being the people's champion, he may be yours but he ain't mine, and his failure to attend the awards ceremony is a true measure of his disrespect for his fellow competitors, the organisers, the fans and everybody else that cares about Moto GP racing...

He could learn from Miguel Olivera, whom was obviously disappointed at not getting the championship but still attended, and along with his rivals graciously accepted his second position award

It's not been a good showing from Rossi at all. However, if you was to put yourself in his position, would you attend a presentation organised by those you feel have conspired against you? I'm not sure I would

As for learning from Oliviera, I think the chances of him winning the title were even more against him than Rossi's on that final day

Either way, I really hope Rossi uses the close season to learn how to keep his mouth shut. If he isn't happy with the organisers being pro-Spain, or how MM has behaved in recent races, he could always retire

[Rawwr]

Fleegle said:

It's not been a good showing from Rossi at all. However, if you was to put yourself in his position, would you attend a presentation organised by those you feel have conspired against you? I'm not sure I would

As for learning from Oliviera, I think the chances of him winning the title were even more against him than Rossi's on that final day

Either way, I really hope Rossi uses the close season to learn how to keep his mouth shut. If he isn't happy with the organisers being pro-Spain, or how MM has behaved in recent races, he could always retire

I agree. Added emphasis on one point, though; Rossi may feel like people conspired against him but it's wholly unsubstantiated and even if they did conspire against him, it's not hard to figure out why. He should've kept quiet. When Gibernau, Biaggi, Stoner and Lorenzo have spoken out against other riders, they were always accused of being cry babies and moaners. Rossi should most definitely be afforded the same privilege and not turning up at the awards ceremony just stinks of tantrum.

[Fleegle]

woowahwoo said:

Fleegle said:

It's not been a good showing from Rossi at all. However, if you was to put yourself in his position, would you attend a presentation organised by those you feel have conspired against you? I'm not sure I would

As for learning from Oliviera, I think the chances of him winning the title were even more against him than Rossi's on that final day

Either way, I really hope Rossi uses the close season to learn how to keep his mouth shut. If he isn't happy with the organisers being pro-Spain, or how MM has behaved in recent races, he could always retire

It's quite amusing to swap the protagonists around in this story: Have Lorenzo as the person claiming pro-Rossi forces has conspired against him, have him miss the press conferences and presentations. Have him run another rider (possibly Italian) wide at Sepang and then lose the championship at Valencia to Rossi. I wonder how the people of the 'people's champion' would react to that?

I would expect VR would have made a meal of it. You'd be able to read about it on every bike journal going as to how he would berate JL for lack of respect.

Like I say, he needs to shut it now and let everyone apart from Keith Huewen forget about it.

[Quinny]

Fleegle said:

It's not been a good showing from Rossi at all. However, if you was to put yourself in his position, would you attend a presentation organised by those you feel have conspired against you? I'm not sure I would

As for learning from Oliviera, I think the chances of him winning the title were even more against him than Rossi's on that final day

Either way, I really hope Rossi uses the close season to learn how to keep his mouth shut. If he isn't happy with the organisers being pro-Spain, or how MM has behaved in recent races, he could always retire

My own view is that, Rossi has earned Millions of ££ from the sport, he's an ambassador, the younger riders look up to him and he should be the bigger man and attend the ceremony....
I accept he's pissed off with the organisers etc... But what about showing some respect to his fellow competitors, the marshals, and his fans.??...

[Slippydiff]

DeltaEvo2 said:

There aren't just Italian riders you know... he passed 21 of them.
Let's just accept that the Championship was rigged. Let's ignore that MotoGP is controlled by the spanish powers, president and sponsors.
Honda have lost whatever sport integrity they had. Forza Ducati from now on.

Ah yes, Ducati, the bike Stoner won the championship on, but Rossi couldn't

A bit like a line of lights above a motorway, it's long and illuminating :

http://trunkman.co.uk/blog/doctored-motogps-obsess...

Definitely worth reading.

[Fleegle]

Quinny said:

Fleegle said:

It's not been a good showing from Rossi at all. However, if you was to put yourself in his position, would you attend a presentation organised by those you feel have conspired against you? I'm not sure I would

As for learning from Oliviera, I think the chances of him winning the title were even more against him than Rossi's on that final day

Either way, I really hope Rossi uses the close season to learn how to keep his mouth shut. If he isn't happy with the organisers being pro-Spain, or how MM has behaved in recent races, he could always retire

My own view is that, Rossi has earned Millions of ££ from the sport, he's an ambassador, the younger riders look up to him and he should be the bigger man and attend the ceremony....
I accept he's pissed off with the organisers etc... But what about showing some respect to his fellow competitors, the marshals, and his fans.??...

I agree with you. It could have been the start of the damage limitation process

[Slippydiff]

DeltaEvo2 said:

Rossi didn't rob anyone...they robbed him and us of a better fight. Penalise Rossi when MM pushed his helmet in Rossi's leg in Sepang? How is that fair?

You appear to have conveniently ignored how Rossi came to be in a position to be "headbutted by Marquez". Had he got on with the business of racing MM, rather than trying to teach him a lesson by running him wide, wider, wiiiiiider still, the two wouldn't have collided.
The fact of the matter is, that as plenty of others have said, Rossi was consistently slower than JL, MM and occasionally DP this year, and because he hadn't got the outright speed to beat MM in Sepang, he let his frustration get the better of him, it cost him the title, he was in no way robbed of it

Added to which if he'd not tried messing with MM's head in the pre Sepang race press meeting, I suspect MM would've let the title fight run its course, but of course will never know now.

[DeltaEvo2]

Total dross. Keep your spanish MotoGP...Rossi wasn't fast enough, bullcrap. It's not his fault he was given the slower bike. You know that, I know that.

Marquez is a cheat and not worth of the sport. Fact.

[DeltaEvo2]

Double post...

Edited by DeltaEvo2 on Tuesday 10th November 12:39

[Slippydiff]

Rawwr said:

I agree. Added emphasis on one point, though; Rossi may feel like people conspired against him but it's wholly unsubstantiated and even if they did conspire against him, it's not hard to figure out why. He should've kept quiet. When Gibernau, Biaggi, Stoner and Lorenzo have spoken out against other riders, they were always accused of being cry babies and moaners. Rossi should most definitely be afforded the same privilege and not turning up at the awards ceremony just stinks of tantrum.

Rossi elected to boycott the post race press briefing at Sepang without telling anyone too.
He kept JL and DP waiting 45 minutes before the briefing continued without him. Whilst JL and PD are no doubt incredibly fit, the Sepang race was still murderously humid. Waiting around for "King" Rossi for 3/4 hour, exhausted and in leathers soaked in sweat can't have been pleasant for either of them.
Plenty say Rossi is (was ?) a class act, I suggest they try telling that to Jeremy Burgess. Unfortunately Rossi's become bigger than the sport, and he knew it until that fateful weekend in Sepang a couple of weeks ago.

[Slippydiff]

DeltaEvo2 said:

This:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQECs2qWwQ8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNyopy25mMc

You can't deny he's a class act .......

I prefer this one :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-FD76BwB08