It's official, Stoner rejoins Ducati
Discussion
fleegle said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
Can we get back on topic calling stoner a w
ker please
But surely we should be rating his riding, not his personality. You don't even know him, so how can you judge him like that.....that is just the actions of someone being shallow and narrow mindedker pleaseShame on you
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So, the bloke doesn't like the press and wears his heart on his sleeve. I can live with that.
I think he will have, like most (but not all), matured during his time away.
But at the end of the day, only his riding really matters.
dukeboy749r said:
AW111 said:
Reardy Mister said:
I am rather dubious of someone who quit because he didn't like the circus, returning as a brand ambassador for Ducati, which will be the biggest circus in the paddock.
One take on this is that he felt the circus was a distraction when he was racing for world championships.Being paid good money to be a "brand ambassador", combined with some testing and a few wildcard rides, is a totally different matter.
Having said that, I hope he is back for real. Like him or hate him, he was the first of the "new generation" riders who wasn't intimidated by Rossi's mind games, and beat him repeatedly, which Rossi (and fans) appear to have never forgiven him for.
and the fanboi mentality that suggests that because we mentioned another rider returning we must be sycophantic. So, I am not watching Stoner for his personality. I watched him because he was able to take the fight to Rossi and I don;t happen to be a mssive Rossi fan. he is a super rider, make no doubt, but he just doesn't make me warm to him.
Stoner, well, regardless of his persona off track, his riding on it spoke for itself.
So, I;ll happily keep rolling my eyes when posts just berate someone's personal style, but when in fact what we should be commenting on, for a racer, is their riding. Surely?
I'd like to comment on his riding, but we've seen none of it (other than the scary and unfortunate Suzuka 8hr incident) since he retired at the grand old age of 27, in my view, precisely because he couldn't cope mentally with the sport, not winning and the other rider's mind games. That takes nothing away from his riding or achievemenets, but as a fan of the sport since the 80s, I'm interested in the style, personalities and views of riders off track too as you know it will influence their riding and decisions in racing and career.
It's like the Lewis Hamilton thread all over again, except I'm on the other side of the argument here. I don't care whether Stoner is a whinger or not, I don't care if people dislike him. I'm chuffed that another MotoGP champion is potentially back on the grid, even if it is for wildcard races, rahpther than a permanent fixture.
He'll be up at the sharp end without a doubt, or at least he the fastest Duscati out there, because he's a better rider than the other Ducati riders. He was the only one who could ride the super fast Duscati amd he has a style all his own around wringing the neck of the bike.
Could be a vintage year for us fans.
Shame that it'll knock Rossi further down the field
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
He'll be up at the sharp end without a doubt, or at least he the fastest Duscati out there, because he's a better rider than the other Ducati riders. He was the only one who could ride the super fast Duscati amd he has a style all his own around wringing the neck of the bike.
Could be a vintage year for us fans.
Shame that it'll knock Rossi further down the field
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
woowahwoo said:
If he comes back full-time, he will be 31. He might not have the same physical skills (reactions, speed) that he had when he was 27 and he has lost the time in between to have either kept them sharp or adapted them (at the highest-level). The momentum, so to speak, may have been lost. I realise some continue long in their thirties, but then they are often the exception, no?
Anyway...he last rode the Ducati when it was the GP10. How similar will the current bike actually be? Or, were you joking at that bit?
I know he'll be older (aren't we all), but I doubt his skill will have dulled too much. Anyway...he last rode the Ducati when it was the GP10. How similar will the current bike actually be? Or, were you joking at that bit?
The Ducati point was just that he could rode a bike nobody else could, maybe he can extract more from this one than anyone else.
LoonR1 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
LoonR1 said:
Shame that it'll knock Rossi further down the field
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
I counted to 10 before commenting ya f5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
ker!
fleegle said:
LoonR1 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
LoonR1 said:
Shame that it'll knock Rossi further down the field
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
I counted to 10 before commenting ya f5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
ker!P.S.
Stoner IS a w
ka!fleegle said:
LoonR1 said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
LoonR1 said:
Shame that it'll knock Rossi further down the field
5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
I counted to 10 before commenting ya f5, 4, 3, 2, 1 .........................
ker!woowahwoo said:
Bit like 3DP, I am dubious about why he retired without needing to. He wasn't injured, his form hadn't really waned, there were no extreme personal circumstances, and he wasn't really on a run/high that you might think could now start to end (ala Bayliss). Usually, the drive seems to be so strong amongst committed racers that they simply have to do it, even once they can feel they are 'old', and even without a full working set of limbs. 
I see what you mean about extracting something. But, that may have been a time and place thing: It was stupidly fast, back then, and there were no control tyres etc... Although, people do often talk about 'the ducati' and Stoner from the 2007 season as though it is a static entity.
It's an interesting development, nonetheless.
He'd been ill a few years before he retired and was treated with contempt with that, he was the first to take it to Rossi and beat him outright, he was the bad guy that everyone loved to hate and he wasn't the most outgoing of people. All of this possibly got too much for him, alongside his distaste for CRT, as there really were few credible bikes on the grid at the time. I see what you mean about extracting something. But, that may have been a time and place thing: It was stupidly fast, back then, and there were no control tyres etc... Although, people do often talk about 'the ducati' and Stoner from the 2007 season as though it is a static entity.
It's an interesting development, nonetheless.
He probably just thought f
k it, I'm off. LoonR1 said:
He'd been ill a few years before he retired and was treated with contempt with that, he was the first to take it to Rossi and beat him outright, he was the bad guy that everyone loved to hate and he wasn't the most outgoing of people. All of this possibly got too much for him, alongside his distaste for CRT, as there really were few credible bikes on the grid at the time.
He probably just thought fk it, I'm off.
Yes he was treated with contempt, even by his own team.He probably just thought f
k it, I'm off. Stoner won his 2007 championship with a far superior bike and tyres. His 2011 title was only won due to Lorenzo crashing in practice and ruling himself out.
So he thought "f
k it I'm off" when Moto GP bosses changed the class to reduce cost to get more bikes on the grid and increase spectator/tv money....Just shows how arrogant his is.
Biker's Nemesis said:
Yes he was treated with contempt, even by his own team.
Stoner won his 2007 championship with a far superior bike and tyres. His 2011 title was only won due to Lorenzo crashing in practice and ruling himself out.
So he thought "fk it I'm off" when Moto GP bosses changed the class to reduce cost to get more bikes on the grid and increase spectator/tv money..
..Just shows how arrogant his is.
If the Ducati was so good, how come nobody else could win on it? Hello, here's Pandora' Box (and no sharp edges)Stoner won his 2007 championship with a far superior bike and tyres. His 2011 title was only won due to Lorenzo crashing in practice and ruling himself out.
So he thought "f
k it I'm off" when Moto GP bosses changed the class to reduce cost to get more bikes on the grid and increase spectator/tv money....Just shows how arrogant his is.
LoonR1 said:
If the Ducati was so good, how come nobody else could win on it? Hello, here's Pandora' Box (and no sharp edges)
Was Rossi the first person to not be able to ride the Ducati after Stoner left. Stoner's win rate dropped significantly once the bike was revised. So it looks like he is a st development rider to.Hmm, stoner develops HRC's all new customer race R--whatever and it fails to deliver after him saying he could fight for top 5 places on it.
I have plenty of ammunition for the Stoner fan boi's once he gets onto track.
Biker's Nemesis said:
Was Rossi the first person to not be able to ride the Ducati after Stoner left. Stoner's win rate dropped significantly once the bike was revised. So it looks like he is a st development rider to.
Hmm, stoner develops HRC's all new customer race R--whatever and it fails to deliver after him saying he could fight for top 5 places on it.
I have plenty of ammunition for the Stoner fan boi's once he gets onto track.
You said Fanboi t development rider to.Hmm, stoner develops HRC's all new customer race R--whatever and it fails to deliver after him saying he could fight for top 5 places on it.
I have plenty of ammunition for the Stoner fan boi's once he gets onto track.
woowahwoo said:
He would have waltzed 2012 but for the ankle injury. Marquez jumped on the awesome bike that Stoner had developed and reaped the rewards, catching everyone napping, including Rossi, who fked-up by going to Ducati, just so he an Burgess could (fail) to prove a point, and so he could stamp his feet about Lorenzo being his team mate.
2008 Stoner lost his focus purely due to Rossi's move at Laguna, and then Rossi was unassailable for the rest of the season. 2009 he wasn't well (as Loon says) and 2010 the control tyres had come in, by which time, as you point out, the bike didn't have quite the advantage, that only he was able to extract from it.
Please don't distort my hatred of Stoner with facts please.ked-up by going to Ducati, just so he an Burgess could (fail) to prove a point, and so he could stamp his feet about Lorenzo being his team mate.2008 Stoner lost his focus purely due to Rossi's move at Laguna, and then Rossi was unassailable for the rest of the season. 2009 he wasn't well (as Loon says) and 2010 the control tyres had come in, by which time, as you point out, the bike didn't have quite the advantage, that only he was able to extract from it.
Anyway, it was Pedrosa who developed the bike for all of them.
Biker's Nemesis said:
Please don't distort my hatred of Stoner with facts please.
Anyway, it was Pedrosa who developed the bike for all of them.
Pedrobot? The rider who's simply not good enough and should be sacked and his ride given to Crutchlow, who has always shown how amazing he is and is a happy, jokey chappy all the time. Did anyone see his jokey shoulder thingy next to Lorenzo? I'm still laughing. What a card. Anyway, it was Pedrosa who developed the bike for all of them.
LoonR1 said:
Pedrobot? The rider who's simply not good enough and should be sacked and his ride given to Crutchlow, who has always shown how amazing he is and is a happy, jokey chappy all the time. Did anyone see his jokey shoulder thingy next to Lorenzo? I'm still laughing. What a card.
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