Temporary insurance + How to check a motorcycle gearbox?

Temporary insurance + How to check a motorcycle gearbox?

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Benbay001

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5,795 posts

157 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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I put a deposit down on a 954 Blade last night, on the condition that on Saturday id come back with insurance, ride the bike and if all was fine id buy it.
Now - I need cheap day insurance (or a full policy that i can cancel but im not sure how that works?) and id also like to know how you check a motorbike gearbox?

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.

You can buy and cancel any insurance policy within 14 days and receive a full refund less a reasonable admin fee (up to £50) and time in risk so if cancelling after 1 day, you'll get 364 days cover back. All this becomes invalid if you make a claim

MotorsportTom

3,318 posts

161 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Checking the gearbox, easiest way is give it some beans.

Not the best idea on a bike you don't know or own but usually the higher the load the more apparent the issues become. In 2nd is where the blades are weak most often AFAIK.

Give it a good handful after 5k and hold on. If it pulls all the way to the redline without popping out it should be ok.
Generally check for clunkiness for want of a better term by lots of changing gears.

The fireblade gearbox on both engines felt gash and still does on all upshifts.

It's a super cheap bike I'm sure it'll be fine...

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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MotorsportTom said:
Not the best idea on a bike you don't know or own but usually the higher the load the more apparent the issues become. In 2nd is where the blades are weak most often AFAIK.

Give it a good handful after 5k and hold on. If it pulls all the way to the redline without popping out it should be ok.
It's 2nd gear on most bikes tbh. People are scared to pin first in case they flip it, get to 2nd & wack a handful on before the gear is fully engaged. This wears the dogs & 2nd pops out under load.

My 14 does it very slightly nowdays, but only if I change into 2nd very softly & don't apply power for a second or two. So don't just try it by changing & pinning it.

MotorsportTom

3,318 posts

161 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Hooli said:
MotorsportTom said:
Not the best idea on a bike you don't know or own but usually the higher the load the more apparent the issues become. In 2nd is where the blades are weak most often AFAIK.

Give it a good handful after 5k and hold on. If it pulls all the way to the redline without popping out it should be ok.
It's 2nd gear on most bikes tbh. People are scared to pin first in case they flip it, get to 2nd & wack a handful on before the gear is fully engaged. This wears the dogs & 2nd pops out under load.

My 14 does it very slightly nowdays, but only if I change into 2nd very softly & don't apply power for a second or two. So don't just try it by changing & pinning it.
But by only changing softly that's not engaging the gear fully vs engaging the gear fully and it popping out under load when giving it some.. so not the same?

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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LoonR1 said:
No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.
At all?

I remember you mentioning it big players had pulled out, but didn't realize in its entirety!


Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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MotorsportTom said:
Hooli said:
MotorsportTom said:
Not the best idea on a bike you don't know or own but usually the higher the load the more apparent the issues become. In 2nd is where the blades are weak most often AFAIK.

Give it a good handful after 5k and hold on. If it pulls all the way to the redline without popping out it should be ok.
It's 2nd gear on most bikes tbh. People are scared to pin first in case they flip it, get to 2nd & wack a handful on before the gear is fully engaged. This wears the dogs & 2nd pops out under load.

My 14 does it very slightly nowdays, but only if I change into 2nd very softly & don't apply power for a second or two. So don't just try it by changing & pinning it.
But by only changing softly that's not engaging the gear fully vs engaging the gear fully and it popping out under load when giving it some.. so not the same?
Well if you move the lever fully it should fully engage in my mind. I was just referring to slamming it into gear or just being gentle. I suppose though that with play in the mech not slamming it in could cause it to not fully engage as you say.

MotorsportTom

3,318 posts

161 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Hooli said:
MotorsportTom said:
Hooli said:
MotorsportTom said:
Not the best idea on a bike you don't know or own but usually the higher the load the more apparent the issues become. In 2nd is where the blades are weak most often AFAIK.

Give it a good handful after 5k and hold on. If it pulls all the way to the redline without popping out it should be ok.
It's 2nd gear on most bikes tbh. People are scared to pin first in case they flip it, get to 2nd & wack a handful on before the gear is fully engaged. This wears the dogs & 2nd pops out under load.

My 14 does it very slightly nowdays, but only if I change into 2nd very softly & don't apply power for a second or two. So don't just try it by changing & pinning it.
But by only changing softly that's not engaging the gear fully vs engaging the gear fully and it popping out under load when giving it some.. so not the same?
Well if you move the lever fully it should fully engage in my mind. I was just referring to slamming it into gear or just being gentle. I suppose though that with play in the mech not slamming it in could cause it to not fully engage as you say.
Ah yes I see what you are getting at now.

I was more concerned with once the gear is engaged and driving as it should, will it then pop out. I have had a few times where being a little soft I haven't got a gear fully and ended up dropping back a gear or just being in a lovely neutral half way up the box hehe

Not really sure slamming it in is the best idea though, a firm but slow change is probably/possibly best based on nothing other than 5 minutes worth on thinking while nursing a stty cold.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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MotorsportTom said:
I was more concerned with once the gear is engaged and driving as it should, will it then pop out. I have had a few times where being a little soft I haven't got a gear fully and ended up dropping back a gear or just being in a lovely neutral half way up the box hehe

Not really sure slamming it in is the best idea though, a firm but slow change is probably/possibly best based on nothing other than 5 minutes worth on thinking while nursing a stty cold.
Yeah I know what you mean. I think that's caused by worn dogs so they don't lock.

Agree on the second point too, just too thick to phrase it that well today.

MotorsportTom

3,318 posts

161 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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Hooli said:
Yeah I know what you mean. I think that's caused by worn dogs so they don't lock.

Agree on the second point too, just too thick to phrase it that well today.
Yep worn dogs on the old 'box I through away that would pop out of second at the hint of a throttle opening.

What do you mean today? wink




Is this enough now Ben or do you need us to deliberate gearbox testing further?

bimsb6

8,040 posts

221 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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LoonR1 said:
No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.

You can buy and cancel any insurance policy within 14 days and receive a full refund less a reasonable admin fee (up to £50) and time in risk so if cancelling after 1 day, you'll get 364 days cover back. All this becomes invalid if you make a claim
Bikesure seem to think they offer it .

black-k1

11,923 posts

229 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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bimsb6 said:
LoonR1 said:
No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.

You can buy and cancel any insurance policy within 14 days and receive a full refund less a reasonable admin fee (up to £50) and time in risk so if cancelling after 1 day, you'll get 364 days cover back. All this becomes invalid if you make a claim
Bikesure seem to think they offer it .
nono Then they are mistaken!

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Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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MotorsportTom said:
What do you mean today? wink
Today in this instance is a poor acronym for go fk yourself smile

LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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black-k1 said:
bimsb6 said:
LoonR1 said:
No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.

You can buy and cancel any insurance policy within 14 days and receive a full refund less a reasonable admin fee (up to £50) and time in risk so if cancelling after 1 day, you'll get 364 days cover back. All this becomes invalid if you make a claim
Bikesure seem to think they offer it .
nono Then they are mistaken!

biggrin
Give them a call and see what happens

Benbay001

Original Poster:

5,795 posts

157 months

Wednesday 25th November 2015
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MotorsportTom said:
Is this enough now Ben or do you need us to deliberate gearbox testing further?
I need more.

Joking aside. Ive just paid for a full policy to be cancelled once ive done what i need to do.

I guess playing about with the gear box on a ride for 10 minutes will find any issues quickly.
Its meant to be raining Saturday (when im viewing it next and probably picking it up), so im really not too keen on giving it handfuls trying to find warn gears. Ahh well.

Hooli

32,278 posts

200 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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Remember to check the state of the chain too, a filthy slack manky chain will make the gearbox feel clunky as hell.

black-k1

11,923 posts

229 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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LoonR1 said:
black-k1 said:
bimsb6 said:
LoonR1 said:
No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.

You can buy and cancel any insurance policy within 14 days and receive a full refund less a reasonable admin fee (up to £50) and time in risk so if cancelling after 1 day, you'll get 364 days cover back. All this becomes invalid if you make a claim
Bikesure seem to think they offer it .
nono Then they are mistaken!

biggrin
Give them a call and see what happens
confused

Or ... idea ... accept that what their website says is correct and that short term insurance is available! cool



Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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LoonR1 said:
black-k1 said:
bimsb6 said:
LoonR1 said:
No such thing as temporary insuramce for bikes.

You can buy and cancel any insurance policy within 14 days and receive a full refund less a reasonable admin fee (up to £50) and time in risk so if cancelling after 1 day, you'll get 364 days cover back. All this becomes invalid if you make a claim
Bikesure seem to think they offer it .
nono Then they are mistaken!

biggrin
Give them a call and see what happens
I did.

I was quoted £63 for 24hours TPFT on a Suzuki GSXR 1000. Markerstudy insurance offered as insurer via Bikesure.

I have the reference number.




LoonR1

26,988 posts

177 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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black-k1 said:
confused

Or ... idea ... accept that what their website says is correct and that short term insurance is available! cool
I stand corrected and it's clearly a value for money product.

bimsb6

8,040 posts

221 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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LoonR1 said:
black-k1 said:
confused

Or ... idea ... accept that what their website says is correct and that short term insurance is available! cool
I stand corrected and it's clearly a value for money product.
I think i need to bookmark this thread ! 😀