RE: Suzuki GSX-R chief engineer: PH2 Meets

RE: Suzuki GSX-R chief engineer: PH2 Meets

Thursday 26th November 2015

Suzuki GSX-R chief engineer: PH2 Meets

Suzuki's Tatsuya Sasaki on why he thinks the new GSX-R1000 will lead the sports bike field



Top honours in the fiercely competitive sports bike market are hard won and easily lost; assistant manager and chief engineer for the GSX-R1000 talks to PH2 about how he plans to get Suzuki back in the game.

Has been in development for a long time
Has been in development for a long time
PH2: How long have you been involved with the GSX-R?
Tatsuya Sasaki: "I started working for Suzuki 29 years ago! In 1986 my first job was as the chassis designer on the second generation of GSX-R750 and I worked on every bike until 1995. I then moved to the product planning section with ATVs before returning to two wheels in 2008 following the economic crisis. At that time we couldn't make any new products due to the poor economy, but since the recovery my role has moved to mainly GSX-R."

When did work on the new GSX-R1000 start?
"I can't say specifically, it has been in development for quite a long time."

What needed improving on the new bike compared to the old model?
"The new GSX-R needed to be king of the sports bikes, which has always been the GSX-R series' goal - to be the top performer. Nothing has changed in the philosophy, but everything has changed on the bike to allow it to make this next step in its evolution - chassis, geometry, engine, electronics, everything..."

Worked with Suzuki since 1986
Worked with Suzuki since 1986
Can you be more specific?
"We needed to give the GSX-R a better front end feeling, so we have moved the weight bias more forward, shortened the front end and extended the swingarm. This is the same design route almost all current sportsbikes have followed."

Was the design focus on track or road riding?
"We feel it is very good at both disciplines, but the test riders always want more track orientated focus! I had to tell them 'not too much', it is a hard balance."

The engine is all-new and has finger followers instead of a bucket and shim valve train, why is this?
"This system allows us to increase the rev limit and therefore gain more power as it is lighter than a traditional valve train. The current GSX-R has 185hp but our competitors have nearer to 200hp, so we need to grow at least 15hp and that has to be done by increasing the rev limit as well altering the combustion chamber's shape and increasing the compression ratio."


The GSX-R has traditionally had a longer stroke/smaller bore engine than its rivals, which is good for mid-range power. Is this still the case?
"The bore is larger on the new GSX-R, which is why we introduced the variable valve timing system. Big bore engines can have a dip in their torque curve in the mid-range, by using the VVT system we have managed to retain the GSX-R's traditional low and mid-range performance while adding to its peak power. The exhaust balance pipe also helps the mid-range."

Is the valve timing system continually variable like Ducati's system or more of an on/off system?
"It is a mechanical system and operates very quickly, it is not continually variable and not electronically controlled so can't be operated as precisely as some other systems."

Speaking of electronics, does the 2017 GSX-R1000 have gyroscopic sensors?
"No, there are no gyroscopes. We don't want to rely on electronic controls too much at this stage. The basic component is more important and we have focused on getting the mechanical capabilities and performance of the GSX-R correct without relying on electronics. In the future electronics can enhance the bike's performance even further once the fundamentals are correct."

"needs to be the king of sport bikes"
"needs to be the king of sport bikes"
Has there been much input from the MotoGP team during the GSX-R's development?
"Yes, members of staff have worked on both projects. The teams have been giving feedback to one another."

The MotoGP bike has an uneven firing order, does the new GSX-R1000 also?
"No, it is a conventional in-line four even firing order like the previous model."

Why are there two models?
"Some riders want something a little bit more special, so we are studying the possibility of giving it to them with a GSX-R1000R."

Finally, there is a 'gentleman's agreement' between the Japanese manufacturers not to claim over 200bhp. Is this still in place?
Kawasaki announced 200bhp without ram air on their ZX-10R, 208bhp with ram air, so I think possibly not. I don't know for sure...





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Renn Sport

Original Poster:

2,761 posts

209 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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How utterly boring...

Perhaps if they had used the un-even firing order, used the MotoGp fairing style and pushed it out a little we could get a little excited.


Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Renn Sport said:
How utterly boring...

Perhaps if they had used the un-even firing order, used the MotoGp fairing style and pushed it out a little we could get a little excited.
It has 200bhp, a simple variable valve system, and a revised frame, it is a revision of one of the most successful bikes of all time and a worst it will remain one of the top ten fastest mass produced sports bikes ever made. At a cost they've promised less than any of its competitors.

It has never been anticipated as best in class. That has not been Suzuki's goal for over a decade now, but it is a step change into a very competitive and remarkable market, and this obsession that it's front headlamp and lackluster paint job is defining the vehicle is retarded.

That or you're Rossi.





MotorsportTom

3,318 posts

161 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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That side profile is lovely! Get a nicer 'Zorst on it and it will look stunning.

Weirdly it's the only brand new bike I find myself wanting more because of the cost than anything, When it is a huge wedge cheaper than competition it makes a big difference.

Can't wait to see it at the bike show and see how it performs in test.

Moulder

1,465 posts

212 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Prof Prolapse said:
It has 200bhp, a simple variable valve system, and a revised frame, it is a revision of one of the most successful bikes of all time and a worst it will remain one of the top ten fastest mass produced sports bikes ever made. At a cost they've promised less than any of its competitors.
Have you seen any suggestions about the price? It is possible to pick up a new 2015 ZX10R for £11,500 (ABS £12,500) and the current GSXR has a retail price of £11,000 for the ABS version, if they are still going to come in cheaper than their competitors this doesn't give them much room for a price increase for the new model.

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Prof Prolapse said:
That or you're Rossi.
Modern electronics have dumbed down bikes, the better the system the easier it is for the average road rider to push without binning it.

Biker's Nemesis

38,619 posts

208 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Prof Prolapse said:


That or you're Rossi.
You called?

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Francis ?

Biker's Nemesis

38,619 posts

208 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Rockin all over the world.

Biker's Nemesis

38,619 posts

208 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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I'm goanna scream if some fud mentions the connection between a K5/6 and the S1000RR..

..Oh!

clen666

925 posts

122 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Prof Prolapse said:
It has never been anticipated as best in class. That has not been Suzuki's goal for over a decade now, but it is a step change into a very competitive and remarkable market.
Tatsuya Sasaki:
"The new GSX-R needed to be king of the sports bikes, which has always been the GSX-R series' goal - to be the top performer."

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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clen666 said:
Tatsuya Sasaki:
"The new GSX-R needed to be king of the sports bikes, which has always been the GSX-R series' goal - to be the top performer."
Which is self evidently bks to sell bikes.

No one in history ever simulaneously set out to be the best and one of the cheapest... Whilst also refusing to adopt new technology.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Moulder said:
Have you seen any suggestions about the price? It is possible to pick up a new 2015 ZX10R for £11,500 (ABS £12,500) and the current GSXR has a retail price of £11,000 for the ABS version, if they are still going to come in cheaper than their competitors this doesn't give them much room for a price increase for the new model.
Nah. I had thought the same. Just further speculation but I would expect the Kwaka to be cheaper. They are releasing two GSXRs 1000s though..

spareparts

6,777 posts

227 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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I thought the GSXR at EICMA looked great. It looks strong with tight lines and a very slim rear. Great looking bike that has every reason to do well. Suzuki's MotoGP programme appears to be making fast progress with a chassis that has a better chassis than the others, if not the raw horsepower. Hopefully these skills have transferred across to the new GSXR as it promises to be a cracking road bike.

mike150

493 posts

200 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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spareparts said:
I thought the GSXR at EICMA looked great. It looks strong with tight lines and a very slim rear. Great looking bike that has every reason to do well. Suzuki's MotoGP programme appears to be making fast progress with a chassis that has a better chassis than the others, if not the raw horsepower. Hopefully these skills have transferred across to the new GSXR as it promises to be a cracking road bike.
With stupid sticky out indicators.......................has no else seen them??!?! I thought they died in 2005

Otherwise I think its gggggrrrrrrrrreeeattt! Except for the crappy paint scheme.

BigHeartedTone

1,304 posts

217 months

Saturday 28th November 2015
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mike150 said:
With stupid sticky out indicators.......................has no else seen them??!?! I thought they died in 2005
S1000RR has them. Also RSV4. At least the mirrors can be removed easily for TDs.

graeme4130

3,825 posts

181 months

Sunday 29th November 2015
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Either he's really small, or Suzuki are now leading the way in massive bikes

clen666

925 posts

122 months

Sunday 29th November 2015
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There's something about his left arm that's confusing me too

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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He has proper Origami legs as well.

moanthebairns

17,933 posts

198 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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Biker's Nemesis said:
I'm goanna scream if some fud mentions the connection between a K5/6 and the S1000RR..

..Oh!
When did you learn that word.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

190 months

Monday 30th November 2015
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Is that "your word", N-word Peacock?