Jailed for 150mph headcam footage...
Discussion
hmmmmm 2 years. On one hand you might think well no one was hurt and its not like he stole anything etc etc. An 2 years will cost the tax payer a lot to keep him warm an fed. But on the other an where my feelings end up is if you have prison as a possibility for speeding then this is where it applies.
110mph in a housing estate is moronic filming it and repeating over an over again shows a level of stupid I did not think it was possible to fit inside one human being.
My feeling is prison is about right even if other crimes dont get punished like this. But really we have to think about life ban etc, where as this time no one was hurt the risk to someone by this person is much greater than the risk posed by another biker at 150 on the M6 toll late at night etc.
Speed does not kill but being a knob head surely helps enforce the view in other that it does.
110mph in a housing estate is moronic filming it and repeating over an over again shows a level of stupid I did not think it was possible to fit inside one human being.
My feeling is prison is about right even if other crimes dont get punished like this. But really we have to think about life ban etc, where as this time no one was hurt the risk to someone by this person is much greater than the risk posed by another biker at 150 on the M6 toll late at night etc.
Speed does not kill but being a knob head surely helps enforce the view in other that it does.
Gecko1978 said:
hmmmmm 2 years. On one hand you might think well no one was hurt and its not like he stole anything etc etc. An 2 years will cost the tax payer a lot to keep him warm an fed. But on the other an where my feelings end up is if you have prison as a possibility for speeding then this is where it applies.
110mph in a housing estate is moronic filming it and repeating over an over again shows a level of stupid I did not think it was possible to fit inside one human being.
My feeling is prison is about right even if other crimes dont get punished like this. But really we have to think about life ban etc, where as this time no one was hurt the risk to someone by this person is much greater than the risk posed by another biker at 150 on the M6 toll late at night etc.
Speed does not kill but being a knob head surely helps enforce the view in other that it does.
It's not the magnitude of his punishment that we have a problem with, it's the disproportionality when compared to other crimes.110mph in a housing estate is moronic filming it and repeating over an over again shows a level of stupid I did not think it was possible to fit inside one human being.
My feeling is prison is about right even if other crimes dont get punished like this. But really we have to think about life ban etc, where as this time no one was hurt the risk to someone by this person is much greater than the risk posed by another biker at 150 on the M6 toll late at night etc.
Speed does not kill but being a knob head surely helps enforce the view in other that it does.
Obscene cited a good example earlier and we had one recently in my town in which a woman pulled out on a biker, killed him, but was given a conditional discharge. Farcical it most certainly is.
Welcome to the selfie generation. Why do people insist on recording themselves doing illegal acts? This type of result occurs all around the world. I have done the occasional track and autobahn video and some off-roading stuff but the idea of even privately recording a criminal offence seems crazy to me. If I were a burglar I would not bring the trusty GoO
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I think that we have to recognise the difference between a momentary lapse in concentration, however tragic the consequences, and a wilful and persistent streak of dangerous and illegal riding. The internet is littered with cases where us bikers feel that the culprit has got off lightly, and frankly I wonder how some of them managed to get a licence, but they are sadly the consequence of inattention, bad judgement or lack of skill, rather than wilful intent.
The other cases of drivers failing to stop or trying to evade the police fall into the same category as this individual, and this is where I feel that the law is not being applied to the fullest, and can rightly be seen as discriminatory when similar cases are applied to bikers.
I'm sure that I'm not alone in having to take evasive action when a car has pulled out in front of me, and managed to avoid a collision, riding on with a shake of the head (or hand) and muttering vile oaths towards the offending car driver. Unless a police car is conveniently present, the car driver will continue on their merry way. No harm no foul, so to speak.
In the case of this individual, his memory card tripped him up, big time. All the (lengthy) evidence of his daft riding was there for the prosecution to see. If he got it wrong and hit a tree, then that's his look out, but if he hit a car at that speed, he would more than likely kill the occupants as well as himself.
Although we will never know, I suspect that perhaps he failed the attitude test both with the police and in court, and that may have influenced the court's decision.
In general, however, we do seem to see more leniency shown to errant car drivers than bikers. The bikers tend to get what is deserved, the drivers less than they deserve, so I still agree, there seems to be discrimination.
The other cases of drivers failing to stop or trying to evade the police fall into the same category as this individual, and this is where I feel that the law is not being applied to the fullest, and can rightly be seen as discriminatory when similar cases are applied to bikers.
I'm sure that I'm not alone in having to take evasive action when a car has pulled out in front of me, and managed to avoid a collision, riding on with a shake of the head (or hand) and muttering vile oaths towards the offending car driver. Unless a police car is conveniently present, the car driver will continue on their merry way. No harm no foul, so to speak.
In the case of this individual, his memory card tripped him up, big time. All the (lengthy) evidence of his daft riding was there for the prosecution to see. If he got it wrong and hit a tree, then that's his look out, but if he hit a car at that speed, he would more than likely kill the occupants as well as himself.
Although we will never know, I suspect that perhaps he failed the attitude test both with the police and in court, and that may have influenced the court's decision.
In general, however, we do seem to see more leniency shown to errant car drivers than bikers. The bikers tend to get what is deserved, the drivers less than they deserve, so I still agree, there seems to be discrimination.
Mad Jock said:
In general, however, we do seem to see more leniency shown to errant car drivers than bikers. The bikers tend to get what is deserved, the drivers less than they deserve, so I still agree, there seems to be discrimination.
He was jailed for 28 months and banned from driving for 10 yearsobscene said:
Jailed for two years. A woman locally killed a young lad on a 125 who is a friend of a friend as "she didn't see him" and pulled out and got nothing other than a driving course. The justice system really doesn't do itself any favours.
Same here - family member killed by a dick in a car pulling in front of him, completely at fault. Motorcyclist was not speeding and was riding safely. In court the guy was banned for 12 months and got 100 hours community service.It is a real kick in the teeth when people get jailed for things like this - but killing someone you can walk free.
creampuff said:
Thumbing your nose at the Man by going really really fast without actually crashing into anything has always been more jail-worthy than just driving like a general dick at lower speeds and killing everybody.
Kill mother walking to get kids from school on a zebra crossing? Jail worthy? Nah.
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/11433523.Dri...
Just as well that guy who ran over the pedestrian on the zebra crossing wasn't going over a ton, then it could have been REALLY serious.
That sums it up nicely, although the guy was riding like an idiot which does no favours to the biking community the Police/Papers overact by saying "It is a miracle that other road users had not been seriously injured or killed" the only person in danger from the footage I saw was him.Kill mother walking to get kids from school on a zebra crossing? Jail worthy? Nah.
http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/11433523.Dri...
Just as well that guy who ran over the pedestrian on the zebra crossing wasn't going over a ton, then it could have been REALLY serious.
yonex said:
Mad Jock said:
In general, however, we do seem to see more leniency shown to errant car drivers than bikers. The bikers tend to get what is deserved, the drivers less than they deserve, so I still agree, there seems to be discrimination.
He was jailed for 28 months and banned from driving for 10 yearsfrom the same visordown page....
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-...
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-...
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-...
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-...
"will have to sit an extended re-test before taking to the roads again"
Yeah, good look with that one mate.
I'm conflicted. Two years seems a bit fierce. At the end of the day, despite the police using their big book of clichés, he never actually caused any harm. But it is a powerful deterrent I guess.
That said he'll be out in half that.
Yeah, good look with that one mate.
I'm conflicted. Two years seems a bit fierce. At the end of the day, despite the police using their big book of clichés, he never actually caused any harm. But it is a powerful deterrent I guess.
That said he'll be out in half that.
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