Jailed for 150mph headcam footage...
Discussion
Vipers said:
Yes they go,faster, get to speed quicker and probably stop quicker.
Apart from that how does this relate to what this idiot did apart from nothing.
Essentially, you claim you can relate to the rider in the video who has been prosecuted.Apart from that how does this relate to what this idiot did apart from nothing.
The reality is you've never ridden a bike capable of handling 150mph with ease. I believe you'd soon change your opinion on the matter unless you're even more deluded than I thought.
cat with a hat said:
Vipers said:
Yes they go,faster, get to speed quicker and probably stop quicker.
Apart from that how does this relate to what this idiot did apart from nothing.
Essentially, you claim you can relate to the rider in the video who has been prosecuted.Apart from that how does this relate to what this idiot did apart from nothing.
The reality is you've never ridden a bike capable of handling 150mph with ease. I believe you'd soon change your opinion on the matter unless you're even more deluded than I thought.
There is a place for riding your bike at 150 mph, it's called a race track, anybody can ride at 150, you just twist the throttle and change a few gears, nothing difficult in that. But not on the public roads. But your right I have never ridden a bike at 150, if I chose do so, it wouldn't be on the roads, neither would I enter a 30 at 95.
Incident,y I didn't claim to relate to the rider in the video.
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 20:41
Oilchange said:
The point is and I think you have missed it, is that it doesn't matter how 'hard' or 'fast' a modern bike is compared to an older one. It doesn't matter a JOT!
What does matter is what he did on his bike which I'm sure you could do on an older one, albeit it might take perhaps a second less to get to the insane speed at which he topped out.
Yes?
perhaps a second less? HA I doubt the ones mentioned would even make it to 100.. The modern bike would have made it to 150 and back to 0 before the ones mentioned had barely broken the NSL. What does matter is what he did on his bike which I'm sure you could do on an older one, albeit it might take perhaps a second less to get to the insane speed at which he topped out.
Yes?
Vipers said:
Deluded, no, sensible yes.
There is a place for riding your bike at 150 mph, it's called a race track, anybody can ride at 150, you just twist the throttle and change a few gears, nothing difficult in that. But not on the public roads. But your right I have never ridden a bike at 150, if I chose do so, it wouldn't be on the roads, neither would I enter a 30 at 95.
Incident,y I didn't claim to relate to the rider in the video.
Someone breaking 70 mph doesn't suddenly mean the general public is endangered. It could be 13mph or it could be 186mph. On his 150mph jaunt nobody was endangered.There is a place for riding your bike at 150 mph, it's called a race track, anybody can ride at 150, you just twist the throttle and change a few gears, nothing difficult in that. But not on the public roads. But your right I have never ridden a bike at 150, if I chose do so, it wouldn't be on the roads, neither would I enter a 30 at 95.
Incident,y I didn't claim to relate to the rider in the video.
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 20:41
How do you feel about someone using an unrestricted autobahn to do 150mph? Do they fill you with the same disgust?
Or is it acceptable and safe because someone hasn't put a superficial speed restriction.
cat with a hat said:
Someone breaking 70 mph doesn't suddenly mean the general public is endangered. It could be 13mph or it could be 186mph. On his 150mph jaunt nobody was endangered.
How do you feel about someone using an unrestricted autobahn to do 150mph? Do they fill you with the same disgust?
Or is it acceptable and safe because someone hasn't put a superficial speed restriction.
We are talking 95 in a 30, if you can't see why that may not be dangerous,then there is no,hope.How do you feel about someone using an unrestricted autobahn to do 150mph? Do they fill you with the same disgust?
Or is it acceptable and safe because someone hasn't put a superficial speed restriction.
You said " On his150 mph jaunt nobody was endangerd"" at that speed can he see far enough to see it wouldn't endanger anybody,
150 on Autobans, no problem. Stupid question really.
Vipers said:
cat with a hat said:
Someone breaking 70 mph doesn't suddenly mean the general public is endangered. It could be 13mph or it could be 186mph. On his 150mph jaunt nobody was endangered.
How do you feel about someone using an unrestricted autobahn to do 150mph? Do they fill you with the same disgust?
Or is it acceptable and safe because someone hasn't put a superficial speed restriction.
We are talking 95 in a 30, if you can't see why that may not be dangerous,then there is no,hope.How do you feel about someone using an unrestricted autobahn to do 150mph? Do they fill you with the same disgust?
Or is it acceptable and safe because someone hasn't put a superficial speed restriction.
You said " On his150 mph jaunt nobody was endangerd"" at that speed can he see far enough to see it wouldn't endanger anybody,
150 on Autobans, no problem. Stupid question really.
cat with a hat said:
In my opinion the only things that were dangerous were the overtakes right by that junctions and the 110mph in the 30-40.
The rest of it, whilst can be frowned upon.. Really wasn't that bad. I wouldn't have done the double white line overtakes, but most of them were perfectly safe.
Any reason why the 150 mph jaunt was dangerous? no risk of the ford focus changing direction, there were no junctions, the rest of the road was clear, visibility good and grip was fine.
Bit of a wheelie.. Big whoop.
Am I a danger to the public?
And in answer to your question on whether he can see far enough, yes he can. Come back once you've got real world experience.The rest of it, whilst can be frowned upon.. Really wasn't that bad. I wouldn't have done the double white line overtakes, but most of them were perfectly safe.
Any reason why the 150 mph jaunt was dangerous? no risk of the ford focus changing direction, there were no junctions, the rest of the road was clear, visibility good and grip was fine.
Bit of a wheelie.. Big whoop.
Am I a danger to the public?
Its also completely illogical that you think 150mph is safe in Germany but not the UK because of superficial speed restrictions. You should ride/drive to the conditions, not a sign.
cat with a hat said:
And in answer to your question on whether he can see far enough, yes he can. Come back once you've got real world experience.
Its also completely illogical that you think 150mph is safe in Germany but not the UK because of superficial speed restrictions. You should ride/drive to the conditions, not a sign.
Well with over 40 years experience of bikes, cars, trucks (HGV1) I guess I know nothing.Its also completely illogical that you think 150mph is safe in Germany but not the UK because of superficial speed restrictions. You should ride/drive to the conditions, not a sign.
You sir seem to be an absolute dick. Real world experience, having driven in about 10 countries etc etc, 95 in 30, oh yes that's OK.
150 in Germany is OK, on the Autobahns, not In a 30 though. Then again we are not in Germany so irrelevant.
Do tell me, how far does it take for a bike doing 95 to,stop.
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 23:50
cat with a hat said:
Oilchange said:
I'm sorry, what difference does it make?
its like comparing a mk1 vauxhall astra to a mclaren 650s.Vipers said:
cat with a hat said:
And in answer to your question on whether he can see far enough, yes he can. Come back once you've got real world experience.
Its also completely illogical that you think 150mph is safe in Germany but not the UK because of superficial speed restrictions. You should ride/drive to the conditions, not a sign.
Well with over 40 years experience of bikes, cars, trucks (HGV1) I guess I know nothing.Its also completely illogical that you think 150mph is safe in Germany but not the UK because of superficial speed restrictions. You should ride/drive to the conditions, not a sign.
You sir seem to be an absolute dick. Real world experience, having driven in about 10 countries etc etc, 95 in 30, oh yes that's OK.
150 in Germany is OK, on the Autobahns, not In a 30 though. Then again we are not in Germany so irrelevant.
Do tell me, how far does it take for a bike doing 95 to,stop.
Edited by Vipers on Saturday 30th January 23:50
cat with a hat said:
In my opinion the only things that were dangerous were the overtakes right by that junctions and the 110mph in the 30-40.
I think its a waste of time discussing this any further, because we have very different mindsets this is only going to turn sour. BrassMan said:
cat with a hat said:
Oilchange said:
I'm sorry, what difference does it make?
its like comparing a mk1 vauxhall astra to a mclaren 650s.There are safe opportunities to travel at 150mph on UK roads when using certain performance cars or motorcycles.
Vipers said:
cat with a hat said:
its like comparing a mk1 vauxhall astra to a mclaren 650s.
Yes they go,faster, get to speed quicker and probably stop quicker.Apart from that how does this relate to what this idiot did apart from nothing.
If that is legal, the bike doing superspeed should be legal. It's all relative.
However, you'd be mad to that speed in the UK as the drivers are bloody stupid.
snorky782 said:
998420 said:
Think for a minute about the people and offences who do not get Prison...
Junkies, almost impossible to jail, if they agree to a daft treatment program, no matter how many hundreds of burglaries they committed, old people with their lives and memories destroyed, no jail
Paedophiles, many have got non custodial sentences
Affray, many gang attacks are somehow demoted to common assault or ABH, affray used to be 3+ years minimum
Bikers speeding ... Look at the stats, hardly ever kill themselves, yet are frequently killed by careless car drivers while not speeding excessively. So why the jail time ? If 150mph is so f
king dangerous then I would be dead 1000x over. On my last UK bike I made a point of doing 150 every single time I got on it and completely safely, and yes,there are spots where you can carry that into much lower limits where they are stupidly applied. Then I ride in urban/village areas at 30/40 for a number of good reasons
When I speed on my bike, by a massive stretch my biggest danger is to myself, if I get it wrong, from physics and nature, what some senile old scrote might say in a court 6 months later is irrelevant as you judge your braking and tip into the next corner, why on earth should I risk myself unnecessarily by checking my speedometer while I am extremely busy otherwise piloting my bike on public roads ?
In other words:Junkies, almost impossible to jail, if they agree to a daft treatment program, no matter how many hundreds of burglaries they committed, old people with their lives and memories destroyed, no jail
Paedophiles, many have got non custodial sentences
Affray, many gang attacks are somehow demoted to common assault or ABH, affray used to be 3+ years minimum
Bikers speeding ... Look at the stats, hardly ever kill themselves, yet are frequently killed by careless car drivers while not speeding excessively. So why the jail time ? If 150mph is so f
king dangerous then I would be dead 1000x over. On my last UK bike I made a point of doing 150 every single time I got on it and completely safely, and yes,there are spots where you can carry that into much lower limits where they are stupidly applied. Then I ride in urban/village areas at 30/40 for a number of good reasonsWhen I speed on my bike, by a massive stretch my biggest danger is to myself, if I get it wrong, from physics and nature, what some senile old scrote might say in a court 6 months later is irrelevant as you judge your braking and tip into the next corner, why on earth should I risk myself unnecessarily by checking my speedometer while I am extremely busy otherwise piloting my bike on public roads ?
Because not everyone else goes to jail, then I shouldn't.
I think I'm invincible and have no stats at all to back that up, but love to pretend it's the case. Cagers are the enemy.
I can ride at 8000mph safely everywhere because I'm so awesome, but a, incapable of working out when I'm doing 8000moh or 23mph.
clen666 said:
There are plenty of roads where 150+mph is 'safe'.
There are plenty of roads where 150mph look safe.you have no idea of what is ahead on the road it can be anything from a blown out tyre or knocked off wing mirror to dead wildlife.
70mph is the upper limit for a very good reason and while modern machinery may make small adjustments to that OK humans are still human.
NoNeed said:
There are plenty of roads where 150mph look safe.
you have no idea of what is ahead on the road it can be anything from a blown out tyre or knocked off wing mirror to dead wildlife.
70mph is the upper limit for a very good reason and while modern machinery may make small adjustments to that OK humans are still human.
Yes and a human could still suffer terrible injuries coming off at 70mph. I understand you will have more time to react to hazards, but then why not drop the limit to 30 everywhere?you have no idea of what is ahead on the road it can be anything from a blown out tyre or knocked off wing mirror to dead wildlife.
70mph is the upper limit for a very good reason and while modern machinery may make small adjustments to that OK humans are still human.
That is why I said 'safe' in inverted commas as no matter what speed you at going there will always be variables that can't be controlled.
Edited by clen666 on Sunday 31st January 10:03
Trying to be sensible, 95 mph in a 30mph zone is not safe. 30 mph zones are usually in residential areas with schools and pavements without the benefit of a safety barrier between them and the road. If the bike crashes through loss of control a 200kg bike will travel a long way and do a lot of damage. And we are talking 3 times the limit not decelerating from 45 to 30 just after a change in speed limit.
150 in a 70mph zone is not safe and neither is 70mph, but at least the traffic is all going one way and on motorways and dual carriage ways there is usually a crash barrier generally keeping traffic apart which is likely to reduce the risks.
150mph for prolonged periods whilst weaving through traffic or tail gaiting the car in front is more dangerous and by the sound of it the type of stunt this rider would attempt.
Modern bikes and modern tires are better designed, accelerate faster, brake harder, handle better and are therefore potentially safer than previously, but if you are doing 150mph the likely hood is that if it goes wrong it will go very wrong very quickly. Its therefore an individuals view as to what's acceptable to you in risking your life, but this needs to be balanced against what's acceptable to the rest of Joe public who might also be affected by your actions, you cannot look at one in isolation to the other.
95 in a 30mph is not acceptable in my mind and filming it and the other multiple offences all on the same memory card, shows in my opinion his lack of regard for those around him.
Really if he wanted to do that speed he should do a track day.
150 in a 70mph zone is not safe and neither is 70mph, but at least the traffic is all going one way and on motorways and dual carriage ways there is usually a crash barrier generally keeping traffic apart which is likely to reduce the risks.
150mph for prolonged periods whilst weaving through traffic or tail gaiting the car in front is more dangerous and by the sound of it the type of stunt this rider would attempt.
Modern bikes and modern tires are better designed, accelerate faster, brake harder, handle better and are therefore potentially safer than previously, but if you are doing 150mph the likely hood is that if it goes wrong it will go very wrong very quickly. Its therefore an individuals view as to what's acceptable to you in risking your life, but this needs to be balanced against what's acceptable to the rest of Joe public who might also be affected by your actions, you cannot look at one in isolation to the other.
95 in a 30mph is not acceptable in my mind and filming it and the other multiple offences all on the same memory card, shows in my opinion his lack of regard for those around him.
Really if he wanted to do that speed he should do a track day.
Personally I think a two year prison term for this is ludicrous. Honestly, how many of us haven't driven fast, really fast, from time to time? I've seen 140mph on a handful of occasions (on private runways, of course...) as have most of my mates. I have been passenger in a car at near 170. I received a 30 day ban as an inexperienced 19 year old for 108 in a 70, and I'm still here, and have never killed anyone.
Yes, the speeds he filmed are downright silly, yes, he was a plank to film them, this doesn't mean he deserves to be locked up for 20 hours a day for the next 365 days.
I would suggest more apt would be 200 hours community service, a one year ban, and a £500 fine. Ignoring all else imprisoning him shall likely cost the state £50K.
Yes, the speeds he filmed are downright silly, yes, he was a plank to film them, this doesn't mean he deserves to be locked up for 20 hours a day for the next 365 days.
I would suggest more apt would be 200 hours community service, a one year ban, and a £500 fine. Ignoring all else imprisoning him shall likely cost the state £50K.
Fermit The Krog said:
Personally I think a two year prison term for this is ludicrous. Honestly, how many of us haven't driven fast, really fast, from time to time? I've seen 140mph on a handful of occasions (on private runways, of course...) as have most of my mates. I have been passenger in a car at near 170. I received a 30 day ban as an inexperienced 19 year old for 108 in a 70, and I'm still here, and have never killed anyone.
Yes, the speeds he filmed are downright silly, yes, he was a plank to film them, this doesn't mean he deserves to be locked up for 20 hours a day for the next 365 days.
I would suggest more apt would be 200 hours community service, a one year ban, and a £500 fine. Ignoring all else imprisoning him shall likely cost the state £50K.
I thought it was closer to 100k a year to keep someone locked up?Yes, the speeds he filmed are downright silly, yes, he was a plank to film them, this doesn't mean he deserves to be locked up for 20 hours a day for the next 365 days.
I would suggest more apt would be 200 hours community service, a one year ban, and a £500 fine. Ignoring all else imprisoning him shall likely cost the state £50K.
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