Teen dead and another injured after police chase moped in lo

Teen dead and another injured after police chase moped in lo

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myvision

1,947 posts

137 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Maybe we should all march in support of the two coppers.

Koofler

616 posts

167 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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myvision said:
Maybe we should all march in support of the two coppers.
Count me in.

MarshPhantom

9,658 posts

138 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Ursicles said:
So

In essence ... thief dies.

Am i missing anything negative here?

Promising footballer, but st moped driver it would appear.
Classy thread...

powerstroke

10,283 posts

161 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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myvision said:
Maybe we should all march in support of the two coppers.
Maybe easier to just watch the youtube clips of american cops when they deal with scrotes who won't stop by ramming them and running over gun toting mongs ,,, sadly our police are just about finished as crime fighters they are like a branch of social services that just looks after thugs and criminals,
hell they can't even give out a thought provoking bking to a motorist now for a minor offence just a ticket and maybe a speed or some other daft course to rot your brain..

Edited by powerstroke on Tuesday 23 February 07:32

caduceus

6,071 posts

267 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Koofler said:
Count me in.
Me too.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

191 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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A three man protest march. Perhaps you could hold hands?

I would suggest perhaps waiting for all the facts first. Just because the prick on the Scooter most likely did something wrong, doesn't mean the coppers can't have done something wrong as well.



Steve Bass

10,205 posts

234 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Prof Prolapse said:
A three man protest march. Perhaps you could hold hands?

I would suggest perhaps waiting for all the facts first. Just because the prick on the Scooter most likely did something wrong, doesn't mean the coppers can't have done something wrong as well.
100%, otherwise it's going to go all Sean Emmett

Koofler

616 posts

167 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Prof Prolapse said:
A three man protest march. Perhaps you could hold hands?

I would suggest perhaps waiting for all the facts first. Just because the prick on the Scooter most likely did something wrong, doesn't mean the coppers can't have done something wrong as well.
Very cute, sweetheart.

The Police were doing their jobs. Which is to catch scrotes. If you kill yourself (using the facts available at this point) then you can't blame the Police.

Cause / effect.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

191 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Koofler said:
Very cute, sweetheart.

The Police were doing their jobs. Which is to catch scrotes. If you kill yourself (using the facts available at this point) then you can't blame the Police.

Cause / effect.
Their job is to enforce the laws whilst not breaking them.

If they don't do this they should be penalised the same as anyone else. This isn't Dirty Harry.

998420

901 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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powerstroke said:
Maybe easier to just watch the youtube clips of american cops when they deal with scrotes who won't stop by ramming them and running over gun toting mongs ,,, sadly our police are just about finished as crime fighters they are like a branch of social services that just looks after thugs and criminals,
hell they can't even give out a thought provoking bking to a motorist now for a minor offence just a ticket and maybe a speed or some other daft course to rot your brain..

Edited by powerstroke on Tuesday 23 February 07:32
Or the Brazilian cops on liveleak, they make the US version seem like fat bumbling idiots....

maxxy5

771 posts

165 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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JacquesMesrine said:
Lazy journalism at its finest. The quip about promising young footballer was made well before the article was written. If they're too old to be "promising" then they're always described as "once on xxxx club's books and played for the reserves as a youngster"

I fking hate this celebrity vigil bks too, ever since Barbara Windsor was at The Kryas funeral it's become de rigeur to legitimise scumbags and thugs and idolise them.
Ironic username there smile

Vipers

32,900 posts

229 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Prof Prolapse said:
Koofler said:
Very cute, sweetheart.

The Police were doing their jobs. Which is to catch scrotes. If you kill yourself (using the facts available at this point) then you can't blame the Police.

Cause / effect.
Their job is to enforce the laws whilst not breaking them.

If they don't do this they should be penalised the same as anyone else. This isn't Dirty Harry.
I dont think any policeman in the UK would be aware of all the laws, that takes nit picking legal teams to plough through legislation and legal stuff etc. I am sure the police in this incident did what they thought was right a the time, doesnt deviate from (in my opinion) anybody failing to stop when being chased has something to hide.

Agree they should not break the law, then again when an ambulance goes down the wrong side of a dual cariageway as happened last week in Aberdeen, (only a short bit, and no traffic) to pass stationary traffic on the road he was trying to get down, should they be prosecuted. I think the police do a bloody good job personally.

Prof Prolapse

16,160 posts

191 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Vipers said:
I dont think any policeman in the UK would be aware of all the laws, that takes nit picking legal teams to plough through legislation and legal stuff etc. I am sure the police in this incident did what they thought was right a the time, doesnt deviate from (in my opinion) anybody failing to stop when being chased has something to hide.

Agree they should not break the law, then again when an ambulance goes down the wrong side of a dual cariageway as happened last week in Aberdeen, (only a short bit, and no traffic) to pass stationary traffic on the road he was trying to get down, should they be prosecuted. I think the police do a bloody good job personally.
It sounds like they have most likely broken a guideline pertaining to pursuit driving which is part of their job and they are assessed for (if so, no excuses). Still speculating to prove a point, if you had to guess it would be that they did not leave sufficient distance during their pursuit from the scooter resulting in the death. Anyone who's seen Roadwars knows this is this isn't allowed. But without the facts who knows? Surely if this is the case it at least deserves to be looked into?

Lol, no because in your ambulance analogy it is done in the course of his duties, did not result in the death of suspect (not thief at this point remember, still innocent), and one presumes did not result in a deviation from agreed procedures specifically designed to keep police officers out of the danger these two gentlemen now find potentially find themselves in.

As for "doing what's right at the time", as I said before this isn't Dirty Harry, best intentions are irrelevant for good reason;

"All I tried to do was protect my sister by butchering him with a kebab skewer and then eating his brain".

"Oh that's fine then. As long as you meant well. Off you go".

Look if you do something wrong you get punished, that's the way it is, the police are the first to tell you the rules apply to everyone. It has to apply to them if they've done wrong. Lets just wait and see what happens before we make arses of ourselves.



edgyedgy

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474 posts

128 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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According to local paper this morning both officers served with gross misconduct notices. Also the other kid has been charged with theft and 'taking and driving away'.

Edited by edgyedgy on Tuesday 23 February 15:33

Koofler

616 posts

167 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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edgyedgy said:
According to local paper this morning both officers served with gross misconduct notices.
Link?



edgyedgy

Original Poster:

474 posts

128 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Koofler said:
edgyedgy said:
According to local paper this morning both officers served with gross misconduct notices.
Link?


[/quotehttp://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/news/lewis_johnson_death_met_officers_facing_criminal_investigation_1_4429472

AH33

2,066 posts

136 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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edgyedgy said:
According to local paper this morning both officers served with gross misconduct notices.
Edited by edgyedgy on Tuesday 23 February 15:33
Unfortunate, but the police are probably just trying to avoid the Jeremy Kyle squad from smashing up their own town over this.

babatunde

736 posts

191 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Prof Prolapse said:
Koofler said:
Very cute, sweetheart.

The Police were doing their jobs. Which is to catch scrotes. If you kill yourself (using the facts available at this point) then you can't blame the Police.

Cause / effect.
Their job is to enforce the laws whilst not breaking them.

If they don't do this they should be penalised the same as anyone else. This isn't Dirty Harry.
hmm I'm as anti "police exceeding their authority" as anyone, But I struggle to feel any pity for the promising footballer (aka thief) who dies while committing a crime. I'm sure the policemen who were trying to do their job of protecting us from these ****** will receive their day in court and hopefully be treated fairly

creampuff

6,511 posts

144 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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snorky782 said:
They're being investigated not prosecuted. If there's a complaint it has to be investigated. Personally, I hope it gets fully investigated and they are found to be totally innocent of any wrongdoing. That should start to set a precedent for the thieving s to gradually learn that there could be some very dire consequences if they steal bikes.
Well a criminal investigation is stated, not just an investigation to have a look at what may have been going on. By the IPCC who appear to have an anti-police agenda, for example recently having arrested the police officer who shot an armed suspect in their car while they were waiting to break someone out of custody.

"IPCC commissioner Jennifer Izekor said: "We have gathered sufficient evidence in this investigation to determine that criminal offences may have been committed by the police officers involved in this pursuit in relation to the standard of their driving.

creampuff

6,511 posts

144 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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Prof Prolapse said:
As for "doing what's right at the time", as I said before this isn't Dirty Harry, best intentions are irrelevant for good reason;

"All I tried to do was protect my sister by butchering him with a kebab skewer and then eating his brain".

"Oh that's fine then. As long as you meant well. Off you go".

Look if you do something wrong you get punished, that's the way it is, the police are the first to tell you the rules apply to everyone. It has to apply to them if they've done wrong. Lets just wait and see what happens before we make arses of ourselves.
Killing somebody with a kebab skewer for looking at your sister seems like a different order of magnitude to a thief killing themselves while riding a stolen scooter and attempting to evade arrest.