Teen dead and another injured after police chase moped in lo

[croyde]

We have generations of people who know that they can get away with it because the police, the courts, parents etc have got soft thanks to liberal thinking.

I'm currently dealing with social services as one of my sons has gone completely off the rails. He's being a complete , excuse my French, but as the police have been involved, Social Services have jumped in to protect him.

Protect him????? He refuses to go to school, abuses his mum constantly and abuses me but we are powerless. Words don't work yet the council fines us as he doesn't go to school. It's a living nightmare and I don't know where we have gone wrong as the other kids have grown up fine.

Nanny state has stepped in but is fekin useless and he still doesn't go to school and still does what the fek he wants.

He's feral scum now, I hope to get him back one day but I have other kids to look after.

So there is the reason why I see society going to the dogs. The law is too soft and many do not have respect for those laws that are still in place.

I personally have suffered for years thanks to these s stealing bikes. I had no problem insuring motorbikes back in the 80s despite being a young idiot living in London but now, as someone fast approaching 60, it's pretty impossible to insure anything remotely nice, not even a fekin scooter.

There has been a cataclysmic change in society at the grass roots level in the cities over the past couple of decades, maybe you are lucky and are insulated from it, unfortunately many of us are not.

[mac96]

black-k1 said:

Prof Prolapse said:

mike-v2tmf said:

Prof Prolapse said:

Their job is to enforce the laws whilst not breaking them.

If they don't do this they should be penalised the same as anyone else. This isn't Dirty Harry.

You are of course correct But a bit of Dirty Harry works for me

I think it's true we tend to get more right wing as we get older.

I said this liberal non-sense four years ago, now I'd string them all up by their balls.

Kidding of course... Probably.

That's the purpose of the court. CPS obviously believe that there is a big enough question mark over the actions of the plod to ask the courts if it was illegal. I've no issues with scum getting their just deserts but those deserts must be delivered legally.

There’s a big difference between enforcement that unintentionally ends in the death of a scumbag (no sympathy for scumbag) and plod appointing themselves judge, jury and executioner.

From the original reports it seems as if there was no question of any officer appointing themselves as judge ,jury and executioner in this case; the thief killed himself by his own dangerous riding.
It will be interesting to see if there some allegations of anything more than the ridiculous 'they should have let him go and rob someone else, in case he hurt himself escaping'.,.

[black-k1]

blade7 said:

black-k1 said:

There’s a big difference between enforcement that unintentionally ends in the death of a scumbag (no sympathy for scumbag) and plod appointing themselves judge, jury and executioner.

Be sure to make that clear, if you ever have reason to rely on plod to put themselves in harms way on your behalf.

The rule of law only has value if we are all required to abide by it equally. If laws are weak or inappropriate then it's the law that needs changing through the correct process, which is there to protect us all.

If a person is not willing to abide by the law then they must expect to be judged by it and subject to its sanctions. That applies to everyone, including the police.

[black-k1]

mac96 said:

black-k1 said:

Prof Prolapse said:

mike-v2tmf said:

Prof Prolapse said:

Their job is to enforce the laws whilst not breaking them.

If they don't do this they should be penalised the same as anyone else. This isn't Dirty Harry.

You are of course correct But a bit of Dirty Harry works for me

I think it's true we tend to get more right wing as we get older.

I said this liberal non-sense four years ago, now I'd string them all up by their balls.

Kidding of course... Probably.

That's the purpose of the court. CPS obviously believe that there is a big enough question mark over the actions of the plod to ask the courts if it was illegal. I've no issues with scum getting their just deserts but those deserts must be delivered legally.

There’s a big difference between enforcement that unintentionally ends in the death of a scumbag (no sympathy for scumbag) and plod appointing themselves judge, jury and executioner.

From the original reports it seems as if there was no question of any officer appointing themselves as judge ,jury and executioner in this case; the thief killed himself by his own dangerous riding.
It will be interesting to see if there some allegations of anything more than the ridiculous 'they should have let him go and rob someone else, in case he hurt himself escaping'.,.

If the police have acted within the law then the court case will show that.

[blade7]

black-k1 said:

The rule of law only has value if we are all required to abide by it equally. If laws are weak or inappropriate then it's the law that needs changing through the correct process, which is there to protect us all.

If a person is not willing to abide by the law then they must expect to be judged by it and subject to its sanctions. That applies to everyone, including the police.

Very good. Except the people most often held fully accountable by the law, and prosecuted to the full extent of it, are the ones with the means to pay and the most to lose. Do as they likeys, scrotes, and visiting criminals enjoy and benefit from your idealistic views, while their lawyers line their own pockets with legal aid gold.

[black-k1]

blade7 said:

black-k1 said:

The rule of law only has value if we are all required to abide by it equally. If laws are weak or inappropriate then it's the law that needs changing through the correct process, which is there to protect us all.

If a person is not willing to abide by the law then they must expect to be judged by it and subject to its sanctions. That applies to everyone, including the police.

Very good. Except the people most often held fully accountable by the law, and prosecuted to the full extent of it, are the ones with the means to pay and the most to lose. Do as they likeys, scrotes, and visiting criminals enjoy and benefit from your idealistic views, while their lawyers line their own pockets with legal aid gold.

I don't disagree but that's a problem with the system that can't and shouldn't be addressed by police breaking the rules to dispense their own "justice".

[Pothole]

black-k1 said:

blade7 said:

black-k1 said:

The rule of law only has value if we are all required to abide by it equally. If laws are weak or inappropriate then it's the law that needs changing through the correct process, which is there to protect us all.

If a person is not willing to abide by the law then they must expect to be judged by it and subject to its sanctions. That applies to everyone, including the police.

Very good. Except the people most often held fully accountable by the law, and prosecuted to the full extent of it, are the ones with the means to pay and the most to lose. Do as they likeys, scrotes, and visiting criminals enjoy and benefit from your idealistic views, while their lawyers line their own pockets with legal aid gold.

I don't disagree but that's a problem with the system that can't and shouldn't be addressed by police breaking the rules to dispense their own "justice".

Who broke the rules? Have you seen all the evidence, then?

[blade7]

black-k1 said:

I don't disagree but that's a problem with the system that can't and shouldn't be addressed by police breaking the rules to dispense their own "justice".

I haven't had a lot to do with the Police in my lifetime. Though I'd say that on the whole, the good guys have outnumbered the dicks. They seem to be damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Ordinary people that often have to make snap decisions , that are then picked apart by some desk jockey at their leisure, and with their own self serving agenda.

[black-k1]

Pothole said:

black-k1 said:

blade7 said:

black-k1 said:

The rule of law only has value if we are all required to abide by it equally. If laws are weak or inappropriate then it's the law that needs changing through the correct process, which is there to protect us all.

If a person is not willing to abide by the law then they must expect to be judged by it and subject to its sanctions. That applies to everyone, including the police.

Very good. Except the people most often held fully accountable by the law, and prosecuted to the full extent of it, are the ones with the means to pay and the most to lose. Do as they likeys, scrotes, and visiting criminals enjoy and benefit from your idealistic views, while their lawyers line their own pockets with legal aid gold.

I don't disagree but that's a problem with the system that can't and shouldn't be addressed by police breaking the rules to dispense their own "justice".

Who broke the rules? Have you seen all the evidence, then?

We know the scrote did, his accomplice confirmed that. The court will establish if the plod did.

[epom]

croyde said:

We have generations of people who know that they can get away with it because the police, the courts, parents etc have got soft thanks to liberal thinking.

I'm currently dealing with social services as one of my sons has gone completely off the rails. He's being a complete , excuse my French, but as the police have been involved, Social Services have jumped in to protect him.

Protect him????? He refuses to go to school, abuses his mum constantly and abuses me but we are powerless. Words don't work yet the council fines us as he doesn't go to school. It's a living nightmare and I don't know where we have gone wrong as the other kids have grown up fine.

Nanny state has stepped in but is fekin useless and he still doesn't go to school and still does what the fek he wants.

He's feral scum now, I hope to get him back one day but I have other kids to look after.

So there is the reason why I see society going to the dogs. The law is too soft and many do not have respect for those laws that are still in place.

I personally have suffered for years thanks to these s stealing bikes. I had no problem insuring motorbikes back in the 80s despite being a young idiot living in London but now, as someone fast approaching 60, it's pretty impossible to insure anything remotely nice, not even a fekin scooter.

There has been a cataclysmic change in society at the grass roots level in the cities over the past couple of decades, maybe you are lucky and are insulated from it, unfortunately many of us are not.

Sorry to hear this, normally would be quick enough to blame the parents, asking why aren’t they controlling them or parenting? Not as easy as it seems is it ?
Sadly I can’t give you any advice, only concentrate on the things that make you happy. Not easy either I know.

[HHZ]

croyde said:

We have generations of people who know that they can get away with it because the police, the courts, parents etc have got soft thanks to liberal thinking.

I'm currently dealing with social services as one of my sons has gone completely off the rails. He's being a complete , excuse my French, but as the police have been involved, Social Services have jumped in to protect him.

Protect him????? He refuses to go to school, abuses his mum constantly and abuses me but we are powerless. Words don't work yet the council fines us as he doesn't go to school. It's a living nightmare and I don't know where we have gone wrong as the other kids have grown up fine.

Nanny state has stepped in but is fekin useless and he still doesn't go to school and still does what the fek he wants.

He's feral scum now, I hope to get him back one day but I have other kids to look after.

So there is the reason why I see society going to the dogs. The law is too soft and many do not have respect for those laws that are still in place.

I personally have suffered for years thanks to these s stealing bikes. I had no problem insuring motorbikes back in the 80s despite being a young idiot living in London but now, as someone fast approaching 60, it's pretty impossible to insure anything remotely nice, not even a fekin scooter.

There has been a cataclysmic change in society at the grass roots level in the cities over the past couple of decades, maybe you are lucky and are insulated from it, unfortunately many of us are not.

I've often wondered if there's a way parents can disassociate themselves from their kids legally. I think Frank Bruno's mum told the ss she couldn't control her son, and they took him off to an 'approved school', where he learned boxing happily for him.
My kids were never at that stage, but the younger one was a real pain for a while. She's a lovely young lady now that she's grown up. I hope your errant son comes around soon.