New track bike at last
Discussion
Walter Sobchak said:
Lovely bike, congrats mate, although I have to say you're a brave man using something that expensive as a track bike, enjoy it, and let's hear what it sounds like with the decat on it.
I have the de cat and pipe but I am not fitting the de cat until I do some foreign TD's. the bike will not pass any noise tests at UK tracks. 3DP said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
3DP said:
Congrats - will be a lot of fun and not a speed block in sight either! Let us know how it wheelies please
Cheers Pete. You do know its going to be Yellow with speed blocks don't you?It will be a stunning track bike either way
MotorsportTom said:
I agree with Steve re noise.
Saw a couple racing this weekend with Bemsee and while they sound absolutely ace they just didn't quite sound as good as the RSV4 in the same class
I doubt you're that bothered by that and I'm sure you'll love showing a lot of folks up on track with it.
If I join you on a TD can I have a go? pretty please?
I'll have to live with the inferior noise, its gonna be tough but I'm sure I'll be able to grin and bear it.Saw a couple racing this weekend with Bemsee and while they sound absolutely ace they just didn't quite sound as good as the RSV4 in the same class
I doubt you're that bothered by that and I'm sure you'll love showing a lot of folks up on track with it.
If I join you on a TD can I have a go? pretty please?
fergus said:
John,
Will the Kit ECU give you a different set of calibration parameters for the ABS ECU to stop the "jump in" reaction from the ECU? The car racing guys have different ABS ECU to use on track to prevent the road biased systems getting very confused when they go over bumps, etc. GT3 cup being an example (excluding other changes to the brake hardware)
FergusWill the Kit ECU give you a different set of calibration parameters for the ABS ECU to stop the "jump in" reaction from the ECU? The car racing guys have different ABS ECU to use on track to prevent the road biased systems getting very confused when they go over bumps, etc. GT3 cup being an example (excluding other changes to the brake hardware)
I'm not sure at all yet, I'll get it on track after being run in then I'll start looking at what to do.
I probably will go down the Yamaha kit ECU route once I have got to grips with the bike.
podman said:
Very posh, they are a beautiful looking and sounding thing...Id love a punt on one of that..and the fizzy after!
Q: Out of interest, what made you go for a R1M over, say the RSV4 BMW or ZX10?
Brand loyalty, exclusivity (over the 4s) or should it offer better out of the crate performance?
I've ridden all the current superbikes and there's not much to separate them apart from the Fireblade and GSX-R being a no go from the start for me.Q: Out of interest, what made you go for a R1M over, say the RSV4 BMW or ZX10?
Brand loyalty, exclusivity (over the 4s) or should it offer better out of the crate performance?
So it was distance from dealers, and price for what you got, BMW, Kawasaki, Ducati etc are miles from me so its back to Yamaha who are 2 miles from me.
3DP said:
Haha - do you reckon you'll use the GPS data logging stuff? How about the slide control?
It's hard to know what will work, what's gimmicks and what's crap these days with the amount of electronics and speed of development. The IMU additions sounds like a step forward as I found the 2012 S1000RR proper crap still (admittedly with not being able to add the slick dongle thing).
I'll try and use all the data logging and electronics Pete, from riding a "normal" R1 last year I was impressed by the way the anti wheelie worked, just sort of let the front wheel hover and not let it slam back down to the ground like the few S1000RR's I have ridden. It's hard to know what will work, what's gimmicks and what's crap these days with the amount of electronics and speed of development. The IMU additions sounds like a step forward as I found the 2012 S1000RR proper crap still (admittedly with not being able to add the slick dongle thing).
On the R1 I didn't notice any TC or ABS cutting in on the road and I was riding as hard as I could on roads I know like the back of my hand.
George29 said:
Looks very nice. Especially the fairings
Just out of curiosity, how come you went for the M for track work? Would it not be cheaper / better to get the normal one and stick some Ohlins race spec stuff in it?
Cheers George.Just out of curiosity, how come you went for the M for track work? Would it not be cheaper / better to get the normal one and stick some Ohlins race spec stuff in it?
My mate had an HP4 (which I ran in) and that had very good suspension for the road and track for normal people like myself
I thought about a standard R1 but I was looking at over 2k for suspension, then there's the extra electronic stuff that can be bought for £1,500.00 from Yamaha and fitted to any R1, that's not counting the Carbon fairings and other stuff, so I thought it was worth the extra 4k over the standard model.
Steve Bass said:
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mckeann said:
Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it
IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&...
Specifcially, the (poor) translation: This included specifically allow a minimal over-braking and obtain full brake pressure upright, where a road ABS would already regulate. Last groove on bumps about. Pressure modulators and pump remain in production configuration. Says Honda . The difference should be in the control unit and its programming. For this project Kazuhiko Tani and engineering Kazuya Takenouchi were responsible, the at the racetrack specifications for ECU translated Bauer in zeros and ones. That's him right impressively succeeded. tackled rude self from top speed, the HRP Honda delivers nothing but brute delay. From the control processes that occur with higher frequency in the hand lever is to be felt as the Honda system so basically a brake-by-wire system is the brake lever so has no direct connection to the control unit.
HP4 BMW:
http://bmwmcmag.com/2012/07/new-bmw-hp4-race-ready...
"Higher performance brake system and Race ABS with IDM setting for maximum brake performance.
With the introduction of Race ABS in the S1000RR, BMW Motorrad underscored its pioneering role in the area of ABS. For the first time ever, an antilock brake system was consistently tailored to sporty needs.
With the new race-oriented HP4, BMW Motorrad now takes the next step in this area. In keeping with the HP4 use profile of race track and dynamic country road riding, the new bike not only has Brembo monoblock brake calipers and 9x floating brake discs at the front but also a further developed and refined Race ABS.
As before, this ABS has four different modes for wet surfaces (“Rain”), roads (“Sport”), race track with supersports tires (“Race”) and race track with slicks (“Slick”). Racing experience gained from the IDM (International German Motorcycle Championship) has been fed directly into the Race ABS fitted in the HP4. In “Slick” mode, the so-called IDM setting with refined regulation impulses now gives the skilled rider the option of maximum possible deceleration."
As for the HP4, a mate has just bought the 2016 S1000RR with Calibration kit and he's sure the ABS can be totally deactivated.
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