New track bike at last

[3DP]

Biker's Nemesis said:

3DP said:

No brand loyalty - BN just wanted a bike paint scheme that matched his tattoo and pyjamas.

I don't have a tattoo neither do I wear pyjamas. (ask Fleegle).

Haha - do you reckon you'll use the GPS data logging stuff? How about the slide control?

It's hard to know what will work, what's gimmicks and what's crap these days with the amount of electronics and speed of development. The IMU additions sounds like a step forward as I found the 2012 S1000RR proper crap still (admittedly with not being able to add the slick dongle thing).

[George29]

Looks very nice. Especially the fairings

Just out of curiosity, how come you went for the M for track work? Would it not be cheaper / better to get the normal one and stick some Ohlins race spec stuff in it?

[UnluckyTimmeh]

Looks fantastic John. Did I understand it's going to look similar to this?



Hope so even if not, it's a fantastic machine you have there. They make such a glorious noise

[fergus]

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

[Prof Prolapse]

Say, that's a nice bike.

[mitzy]

Just seen this ....

Congrats John

Hubba Hubba
Very Nice indeed.
Spring has sprung

Looking forward to the write up.

[Steve Bass]

fergus said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

The series was wn by Karl Muggeridge.
When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...

[fergus]

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

The series was wn by Karl Muggeridge.
When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...

Steve. Found it:

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp...

Specifcially, the (poor) translation: This included specifically allow a minimal over-braking and obtain full brake pressure upright, where a road ABS would already regulate. Last groove on bumps about. Pressure modulators and pump remain in production configuration. Says Honda . The difference should be in the control unit and its programming. For this project Kazuhiko Tani and engineering Kazuya Takenouchi were responsible, the at the racetrack specifications for ECU translated Bauer in zeros and ones. That's him right impressively succeeded. tackled rude self from top speed, the HRP Honda delivers nothing but brute delay. From the control processes that occur with higher frequency in the hand lever is to be felt as the Honda system so basically a brake-by-wire system is the brake lever so has no direct connection to the control unit.

I think the HP4 calibration kit has different ABS settings fromt he "stock" bike along these lines?

[fergus]

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

The series was wn by Karl Muggeridge.
When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...

Steve. Found it:

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp...

Specifcially, the (poor) translation: This included specifically allow a minimal over-braking and obtain full brake pressure upright, where a road ABS would already regulate. Last groove on bumps about. Pressure modulators and pump remain in production configuration. Says Honda . The difference should be in the control unit and its programming. For this project Kazuhiko Tani and engineering Kazuya Takenouchi were responsible, the at the racetrack specifications for ECU translated Bauer in zeros and ones. That's him right impressively succeeded. tackled rude self from top speed, the HRP Honda delivers nothing but brute delay. From the control processes that occur with higher frequency in the hand lever is to be felt as the Honda system so basically a brake-by-wire system is the brake lever so has no direct connection to the control unit.


HP4 BMW:

http://bmwmcmag.com/2012/07/new-bmw-hp4-race-ready...

"Higher performance brake system and Race ABS with IDM setting for maximum brake performance.
With the introduction of Race ABS in the S1000RR, BMW Motorrad underscored its pioneering role in the area of ABS. For the first time ever, an antilock brake system was consistently tailored to sporty needs.

With the new race-oriented HP4, BMW Motorrad now takes the next step in this area. In keeping with the HP4 use profile of race track and dynamic country road riding, the new bike not only has Brembo monoblock brake calipers and 9x floating brake discs at the front but also a further developed and refined Race ABS.

As before, this ABS has four different modes for wet surfaces (“Rain”), roads (“Sport”), race track with supersports tires (“Race”) and race track with slicks (“Slick”). Racing experience gained from the IDM (International German Motorcycle Championship) has been fed directly into the Race ABS fitted in the HP4. In “Slick” mode, the so-called IDM setting with refined regulation impulses now gives the skilled rider the option of maximum possible deceleration."

[patchb]

Very nice. I spotted 3 down poole quay this evening. This was one of them, it looks good in yellow.

[Biker's Nemesis]

3DP said:

Haha - do you reckon you'll use the GPS data logging stuff? How about the slide control?

It's hard to know what will work, what's gimmicks and what's crap these days with the amount of electronics and speed of development. The IMU additions sounds like a step forward as I found the 2012 S1000RR proper crap still (admittedly with not being able to add the slick dongle thing).

I'll try and use all the data logging and electronics Pete, from riding a "normal" R1 last year I was impressed by the way the anti wheelie worked, just sort of let the front wheel hover and not let it slam back down to the ground like the few S1000RR's I have ridden.

On the R1 I didn't notice any TC or ABS cutting in on the road and I was riding as hard as I could on roads I know like the back of my hand.

[Steve Bass]

fergus said:

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

The series was wn by Karl Muggeridge.
When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...

Steve. Found it:

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp...

Specifcially, the (poor) translation: This included specifically allow a minimal over-braking and obtain full brake pressure upright, where a road ABS would already regulate. Last groove on bumps about. Pressure modulators and pump remain in production configuration. Says Honda . The difference should be in the control unit and its programming. For this project Kazuhiko Tani and engineering Kazuya Takenouchi were responsible, the at the racetrack specifications for ECU translated Bauer in zeros and ones. That's him right impressively succeeded. tackled rude self from top speed, the HRP Honda delivers nothing but brute delay. From the control processes that occur with higher frequency in the hand lever is to be felt as the Honda system so basically a brake-by-wire system is the brake lever so has no direct connection to the control unit.


HP4 BMW:

http://bmwmcmag.com/2012/07/new-bmw-hp4-race-ready...

"Higher performance brake system and Race ABS with IDM setting for maximum brake performance.
With the introduction of Race ABS in the S1000RR, BMW Motorrad underscored its pioneering role in the area of ABS. For the first time ever, an antilock brake system was consistently tailored to sporty needs.

With the new race-oriented HP4, BMW Motorrad now takes the next step in this area. In keeping with the HP4 use profile of race track and dynamic country road riding, the new bike not only has Brembo monoblock brake calipers and 9x floating brake discs at the front but also a further developed and refined Race ABS.

As before, this ABS has four different modes for wet surfaces (“Rain”), roads (“Sport”), race track with supersports tires (“Race”) and race track with slicks (“Slick”). Racing experience gained from the IDM (International German Motorcycle Championship) has been fed directly into the Race ABS fitted in the HP4. In “Slick” mode, the so-called IDM setting with refined regulation impulses now gives the skilled rider the option of maximum possible deceleration."

Karls win was years ago, when Honda just released the ABS Blade. Not sure about that comedy translation
As for the HP4, a mate has just bought the 2016 S1000RR with Calibration kit and he's sure the ABS can be totally deactivated.

[Biker's Nemesis]

George29 said:

Looks very nice. Especially the fairings

Just out of curiosity, how come you went for the M for track work? Would it not be cheaper / better to get the normal one and stick some Ohlins race spec stuff in it?

Cheers George.

My mate had an HP4 (which I ran in) and that had very good suspension for the road and track for normal people like myself

I thought about a standard R1 but I was looking at over 2k for suspension, then there's the extra electronic stuff that can be bought for £1,500.00 from Yamaha and fitted to any R1, that's not counting the Carbon fairings and other stuff, so I thought it was worth the extra 4k over the standard model.

[Biker's Nemesis]

UnluckyTimmeh said:

Looks fantastic John. Did I understand it's going to look similar to this?



Hope so even if not, it's a fantastic machine you have there. They make such a glorious noise

Yep, something like that but with an old knacker rider it.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Prof Prolapse said:

Say, that's a nice bike.

Cheers Prof.

[Biker's Nemesis]

mitzy said:

Just seen this ....

Congrats John

Hubba Hubba
Very Nice indeed.
Spring has sprung

Looking forward to the write up.

Cheers Lesley, you know me, I'm no good at long write ups. (I'll ring MTB and tell him about it and he can put it into words)

[Biker's Nemesis]

patchb said:

Very nice. I spotted 3 down poole quay this evening. This was one of them, it looks good in yellow.

the Anniversary model, they look even better in the flesh.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

The series was wn by Karl Muggeridge.
When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...

Steve. Found it:

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp...

Specifcially, the (poor) translation: This included specifically allow a minimal over-braking and obtain full brake pressure upright, where a road ABS would already regulate. Last groove on bumps about. Pressure modulators and pump remain in production configuration. Says Honda . The difference should be in the control unit and its programming. For this project Kazuhiko Tani and engineering Kazuya Takenouchi were responsible, the at the racetrack specifications for ECU translated Bauer in zeros and ones. That's him right impressively succeeded. tackled rude self from top speed, the HRP Honda delivers nothing but brute delay. From the control processes that occur with higher frequency in the hand lever is to be felt as the Honda system so basically a brake-by-wire system is the brake lever so has no direct connection to the control unit.


HP4 BMW:

http://bmwmcmag.com/2012/07/new-bmw-hp4-race-ready...

"Higher performance brake system and Race ABS with IDM setting for maximum brake performance.
With the introduction of Race ABS in the S1000RR, BMW Motorrad underscored its pioneering role in the area of ABS. For the first time ever, an antilock brake system was consistently tailored to sporty needs.

With the new race-oriented HP4, BMW Motorrad now takes the next step in this area. In keeping with the HP4 use profile of race track and dynamic country road riding, the new bike not only has Brembo monoblock brake calipers and 9x floating brake discs at the front but also a further developed and refined Race ABS.

As before, this ABS has four different modes for wet surfaces (“Rain”), roads (“Sport”), race track with supersports tires (“Race”) and race track with slicks (“Slick”). Racing experience gained from the IDM (International German Motorcycle Championship) has been fed directly into the Race ABS fitted in the HP4. In “Slick” mode, the so-called IDM setting with refined regulation impulses now gives the skilled rider the option of maximum possible deceleration."

Karls win was years ago, when Honda just released the ABS Blade. Not sure about that comedy translation
As for the HP4, a mate has just bought the 2016 S1000RR with Calibration kit and he's sure the ABS can be totally deactivated.

I'll ask when I pick it up if the ABS can be altered or switched off.

[Steve Bass]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

Steve Bass said:

fergus said:

mckeann said:

Didn't the Honda Uk endurance team run the abs on the blade but update the software to a race mode??? Vaguely remember something about that in the documentary I watched about it

IIRC the German IDM superbike guys run with a modified ABS setup on their bikes?

The series was wn by Karl Muggeridge.
When I asked him (he was in SA couple of years back and we had a bevvy or 9) he stated the ABS was exactly the same as that on the road bike for marketing purposes.
But as said, surely the Yams ABS can be deactivated?
Aprilia and BMW both allow this...

Steve. Found it:

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&amp...

Specifcially, the (poor) translation: This included specifically allow a minimal over-braking and obtain full brake pressure upright, where a road ABS would already regulate. Last groove on bumps about. Pressure modulators and pump remain in production configuration. Says Honda . The difference should be in the control unit and its programming. For this project Kazuhiko Tani and engineering Kazuya Takenouchi were responsible, the at the racetrack specifications for ECU translated Bauer in zeros and ones. That's him right impressively succeeded. tackled rude self from top speed, the HRP Honda delivers nothing but brute delay. From the control processes that occur with higher frequency in the hand lever is to be felt as the Honda system so basically a brake-by-wire system is the brake lever so has no direct connection to the control unit.


HP4 BMW:

http://bmwmcmag.com/2012/07/new-bmw-hp4-race-ready...

"Higher performance brake system and Race ABS with IDM setting for maximum brake performance.
With the introduction of Race ABS in the S1000RR, BMW Motorrad underscored its pioneering role in the area of ABS. For the first time ever, an antilock brake system was consistently tailored to sporty needs.

With the new race-oriented HP4, BMW Motorrad now takes the next step in this area. In keeping with the HP4 use profile of race track and dynamic country road riding, the new bike not only has Brembo monoblock brake calipers and 9x floating brake discs at the front but also a further developed and refined Race ABS.

As before, this ABS has four different modes for wet surfaces (“Rain”), roads (“Sport”), race track with supersports tires (“Race”) and race track with slicks (“Slick”). Racing experience gained from the IDM (International German Motorcycle Championship) has been fed directly into the Race ABS fitted in the HP4. In “Slick” mode, the so-called IDM setting with refined regulation impulses now gives the skilled rider the option of maximum possible deceleration."

Karls win was years ago, when Honda just released the ABS Blade. Not sure about that comedy translation
As for the HP4, a mate has just bought the 2016 S1000RR with Calibration kit and he's sure the ABS can be totally deactivated.

I'll ask when I pick it up if the ABS can be altered or switched off.

I'll ask my mate who has one.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Steve Bass said:

I'll ask my mate who has one.

Thank you very much kind Sir.