What pads

[Busa mav]

Try Bendix pads , you will not be disappointed.

[George111]

Busa mav said:

Try Bendix pads , you will not be disappointed.

I'd second that, I was trying to think of the name of the pads I used to use on track and you've reminded me it's Bendix. Shows I'm getting too old to be worry about such things !

[E36GUY]

Thanks for all the replies chaps. Certainly seems to have sparked a debate.

Think I'll go Brembos this time and see how we get on.

[cheesewotsit]

Slight thread revival: looking at replacing the pads on my RR-6 600RR. What difference will I notice between a Brembo SA and SC pad? Or, the SBS street and race?

[snorky782]

George111 said:

Mr OCD said:

My hate for EBC pads on here is well documented, so I won't go into those.

I can't help it . . . they are shyte of the first order !

i use EBC GPFAX pads on track. They are exceptional, the best pads I've ever used.

[moanthebairns]

snorky782 said:

George111 said:

Mr OCD said:

My hate for EBC pads on here is well documented, so I won't go into those.

I can't help it . . . they are shyte of the first order !

i use EBC GPFAX pads on track. They are exceptional, the best pads I've ever used.

Likewise. Get a bit heat into them and they are awesome.

[DuraAce]

Z04s are pretty decent. Not so good on cold mornings to be fair but great otherwise.

[snorky782]

DuraAce said:

Z04s are pretty decent. Not so good on cold mornings to be fair but great otherwise.

If you're using Z04s on the road, then you need your head examining. They are a race pad and only work under race / fast trackday conditions.

[SAS Tom]

moanthebairns said:

snorky782 said:

George111 said:

Mr OCD said:

My hate for EBC pads on here is well documented, so I won't go into those.

I can't help it . . . they are shyte of the first order !

i use EBC GPFAX pads on track. They are exceptional, the best pads I've ever used.

Likewise. Get a bit heat into them and they are awesome.

Yep same here too, probably the best thing I did to my bike alone with a radial master cylinder.

[DuraAce]

snorky782 said:

If you're using Z04s on the road, then you need your head examining. They are a race pad and only work under race / fast trackday conditions.

Meh. Makes for an exciting commute some days. Track bike has been my only source of transport for a few days, Car should be back in service this week I hope.

[George111]

SAS Tom said:

moanthebairns said:

snorky782 said:

George111 said:

Mr OCD said:

My hate for EBC pads on here is well documented, so I won't go into those.

I can't help it . . . they are shyte of the first order !

i use EBC GPFAX pads on track. They are exceptional, the best pads I've ever used.

Likewise. Get a bit heat into them and they are awesome.

Yep same here too, probably the best thing I did to my bike alone with a radial master cylinder.

The OP was looking for ROAD pads not RACE pads but I guess this is PH

OK, just for the EBC fans here, this is what EBC say about their BEST pads, these are RACE ONLY pads, their best product . . .

EBC: "GPFAX Sintered Road Race Brake Pads have by far the highest known friction with a measurement between 0.6 and 0.7 and deliver the most amazing brake effect."

So 0.6 to 0.7 is really good is it ? That's the highest known friction ? Perhaps EBC had better have a chat with Brembo then . . . this is what they say about their road legal pads which are also for race/track day:

Brembo: "Sintered compound for race, track-day and road use, with a particularly high friction coefficient when both cold and hot (between cold 0.76 Mu/COF warm/hot 0.79/81)."

Brembo pads offer greater stopping performance than EBC when the Brembo pads are COLD and EBC are warmed up ! There are car pads out there with Mu of well over 0.8 so compounds do exist which have high coefficient of friction as well as good temperature stability. EBC have always been full of bullsh*t and it looks like they still are.

http://ebcbrakes.com/product/gpfa-brake-pads/
http://www.bikehps.com/brembo/brembo_brakepads.htm...

[SAS Tom]

George111 said:

SAS Tom said:

moanthebairns said:

snorky782 said:

George111 said:

Mr OCD said:

My hate for EBC pads on here is well documented, so I won't go into those.

I can't help it . . . they are shyte of the first order !

i use EBC GPFAX pads on track. They are exceptional, the best pads I've ever used.

Likewise. Get a bit heat into them and they are awesome.

Yep same here too, probably the best thing I did to my bike alone with a radial master cylinder.

The OP was looking for ROAD pads not RACE pads but I guess this is PH

OK, just for the EBC fans here, this is what EBC say about their BEST pads, these are RACE ONLY pads, their best product . . .

EBC: "GPFAX Sintered Road Race Brake Pads have by far the highest known friction with a measurement between 0.6 and 0.7 and deliver the most amazing brake effect."

So 0.6 to 0.7 is really good is it ? That's the highest known friction ? Perhaps EBC had better have a chat with Brembo then . . . this is what they say about their road legal pads which are also for race/track day:

Brembo: "Sintered compound for race, track-day and road use, with a particularly high friction coefficient when both cold and hot (between cold 0.76 Mu/COF warm/hot 0.79/81)."

Brembo pads offer greater stopping performance than EBC when the Brembo pads are COLD and EBC are warmed up ! There are car pads out there with Mu of well over 0.8 so compounds do exist which have high coefficient of friction as well as good temperature stability. EBC have always been full of bullsh*t and it looks like they still are.

http://ebcbrakes.com/product/gpfa-brake-pads/
http://www.bikehps.com/brembo/brembo_brakepads.htm...

Fair enough, clearly you know more having read something on the internet compared to the people above you who have actually used them. I'll bin them when I get home.

[Mr2Mike]

George111 said:

Brembo pads offer greater stopping performance than EBC when the Brembo pads are COLD and EBC are warmed up !

That is nonsense. Frictional coefficient does not equate to stopping power, it relates to how hard you have the squeeze the lever for a given retardation.

EBC pads for bikes are excellent, and widely used by numerous people on the track. EBC have made some mediocre pads for cars in the past, yet despite the current compounds being completely different some people still love to bang on about how bad they are.

[George111]

SAS Tom said:

George111 said:

SAS Tom said:

moanthebairns said:

snorky782 said:

George111 said:

Mr OCD said:

My hate for EBC pads on here is well documented, so I won't go into those.

I can't help it . . . they are shyte of the first order !

i use EBC GPFAX pads on track. They are exceptional, the best pads I've ever used.

Likewise. Get a bit heat into them and they are awesome.

Yep same here too, probably the best thing I did to my bike alone with a radial master cylinder.

The OP was looking for ROAD pads not RACE pads but I guess this is PH

OK, just for the EBC fans here, this is what EBC say about their BEST pads, these are RACE ONLY pads, their best product . . .

EBC: "GPFAX Sintered Road Race Brake Pads have by far the highest known friction with a measurement between 0.6 and 0.7 and deliver the most amazing brake effect."

So 0.6 to 0.7 is really good is it ? That's the highest known friction ? Perhaps EBC had better have a chat with Brembo then . . . this is what they say about their road legal pads which are also for race/track day:

Brembo: "Sintered compound for race, track-day and road use, with a particularly high friction coefficient when both cold and hot (between cold 0.76 Mu/COF warm/hot 0.79/81)."

Brembo pads offer greater stopping performance than EBC when the Brembo pads are COLD and EBC are warmed up ! There are car pads out there with Mu of well over 0.8 so compounds do exist which have high coefficient of friction as well as good temperature stability. EBC have always been full of bullsh*t and it looks like they still are.

http://ebcbrakes.com/product/gpfa-brake-pads/
http://www.bikehps.com/brembo/brembo_brakepads.htm...

Fair enough, clearly you know more having read something on the internet compared to the people above you who have actually used them. I'll bin them when I get home.

I have, unfortunately, used EBC pads in cars and bikes hence my "shyte" statement above. I know that to be true because I've also used other pads which worked properly, didn't come away from the backing plate, didn't catch fire, didn't fade worse than the OEM pads, didn't cover the car in dust and didn't make the bike sound like a milling machine.

You keep them, if they work for you that's great.

[George111]

Mr2Mike said:

George111 said:

Brembo pads offer greater stopping performance than EBC when the Brembo pads are COLD and EBC are warmed up !

That is nonsense. Frictional coefficient does not equate to stopping power, it relates to how hard you have the squeeze the lever for a given retardation.

EBC pads for bikes are excellent, and widely used by numerous people on the track. EBC have made some mediocre pads for cars in the past, yet despite the current compounds being completely different some people still love to bang on about how bad they are.

This is what discussions about EBC always descend into . . . Oh No It's Not . . . . It's like a Pantomime !

The higher the Mu figure the less you need to squeeze the lever. So a Brembo pad with a 0.8Mu rating will stop you faster than an EBC pad with a 0.7Mu rating, for the same piston pressure. That is fact and that's why manufacturers state the Mu factor now - because it's relevant. Same bike, same brakes, Brembo (just picking the first manufacturer I found figures for) will stop you faster than EBC.

BUT my point was that once again EBC are claiming their pads are better than anything else: "have by far the highest known friction with a measurement between 0.6 and 0.7" - and this statement is complete bks.

[Mad Dave]

I use Brembo SC on the RSV4 and they're very good. Cheap from carpi-moto too. My 6R came with Bendix pads (not sure which ones) and I'm really impressed with them too.

[moanthebairns]

I use my head it's much cheaper.

[snorky782]

George111 said:

I have, unfortunately, used EBC pads in cars and bikes hence my "shyte" statement above. I know that to be true because I've also used other pads which worked properly, didn't come away from the backing plate, didn't catch fire, didn't fade worse than the OEM pads, didn't cover the car in dust and didn't make the bike sound like a milling machine.

You keep them, if they work for you that's great.

Cars? Who gives a fk about cars for this discussion. I swear by Michelins on my car, but wouldn't dream of using them on my bike. I'm glad you can read some mumbo jumbo on a screen, as I'm sure it makes your point for you. Z04s are accepted as the dogs danglies for race bikes, but at £550 a pair, I'd prefer the 2 for 1 deal on the GPFAX which are much cheaper and will £ for £ save me a bit over the season.

For info on road, I use OE pads, no need for anything else IMO. All this HH sintered ste is just that. ste. Most people won't get anywhere near enough heat into the pads to make them work effectively, much like the people who demand the "stickiest tyre" and then ride round bolt upright everywhere.

[George111]

snorky782 said:

George111 said:

I have, unfortunately, used EBC pads in cars and bikes hence my "shyte" statement above. I know that to be true because I've also used other pads which worked properly, didn't come away from the backing plate, didn't catch fire, didn't fade worse than the OEM pads, didn't cover the car in dust and didn't make the bike sound like a milling machine.

You keep them, if they work for you that's great.

Cars? Who gives a fk about cars for this discussion. I swear by Michelins on my car, but wouldn't dream of using them on my bike. I'm glad you can read some mumbo jumbo on a screen, as I'm sure it makes your point for you. Z04s are accepted as the dogs danglies for race bikes, but at £550 a pair, I'd prefer the 2 for 1 deal on the GPFAX which are much cheaper and will £ for £ save me a bit over the season.

For info on road, I use OE pads, no need for anything else IMO. All this HH sintered ste is just that. ste. Most people won't get anywhere near enough heat into the pads to make them work effectively, much like the people who demand the "stickiest tyre" and then ride round bolt upright everywhere.

Mumbo jumbo ? Yeah . . . well, if you bothered to read things like this you'd understand more about how to get the most from the bike.

But at last we get to the point of why you use EBC - they're cheap, 2 for 1 - never seen a great product offered 2 for 1, only toilet paper, cheese and EBC brake pads and guess what they all have in common ? !

[Mr OCD]

Mad Dave said:

I use Brembo SC on the RSV4 and they're very good. Cheap from carpi-moto too. My 6R came with Bendix pads (not sure which ones) and I'm really impressed with them too.

Best place to get them from... I paid £66 last time for the blade - that is cheaper than OE stuff!