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snorky782 said:
George111 said:
Sorry chap, I forgot about this. I did look for 2for1 offers on cheese but none available unfortunately 
Seriously, if you find EBC good then great, you go for it. There are a huge number of people who wouldn't put EBC on their wheelie bins let alone their bike, but don't listen to me, you carry on paying more for EBC than Brembo. I mean, what do Brembo know ? Brembo - mere newcomers and probably need putting in their place and I'd bet EBC are just the chaps to do it
You're not quite getting this are you? You just be quite some rider, but then you refer to basic Brembos, rather than Brembo pads that are definitely better than these, which are Z04s. I can't justify £550 for a set though. Seriously, if you find EBC good then great, you go for it. There are a huge number of people who wouldn't put EBC on their wheelie bins let alone their bike, but don't listen to me, you carry on paying more for EBC than Brembo. I mean, what do Brembo know ? Brembo - mere newcomers and probably need putting in their place and I'd bet EBC are just the chaps to do it
I use pads that work for me on track, they seem to do OK. I'm sure you're going to tell me that you're a top level racer, but if so, why aren't you using Z04s?
tting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.George111 said:
What don't I get ? I'm not referring to any ZO4 pad, Brembo or EBC. The point of the discussion was that once again EBC are bullstting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.
EBC Fanboys ??tting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.Really?
Fleegle said:
George111 said:
What don't I get ? I'm not referring to any ZO4 pad, Brembo or EBC. The point of the discussion was that once again EBC are bullstting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.
EBC Fanboys ??tting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.Really?
This is getting stupid. Yes I totally understand getting burnt from a brand once and refusing to use them.
But people have to accept from those in the know that the road hh and gifax or whatever the fk they are called are bloody good pads. I've ridden both and thought they were fantastic.
Brembo racing ones may very well be the best but they are eye-wateringly expensive.
That's it.
Anyone who says ebc bike pads are st hasn't ridden them or hasn't really got a clue.
But people have to accept from those in the know that the road hh and gifax or whatever the f
k they are called are bloody good pads. I've ridden both and thought they were fantastic. Brembo racing ones may very well be the best but they are eye-wateringly expensive.
That's it.
Anyone who says ebc bike pads are s
t hasn't ridden them or hasn't really got a clue. moanthebairns said:
This is getting stupid. Yes I totally understand getting burnt from a brand once and refusing to use them.
But people have to accept from those in the know that the road hh and gifax or whatever the fk they are called are bloody good pads. I've ridden both and thought they were fantastic.
Brembo racing ones may very well be the best but they are eye-wateringly expensive.
That's it.
Anyone who says ebc bike pads are st hasn't ridden them or hasn't really got a clue.
I have used EBC HH on my road and track bikes. They were rubbish. Why is my experience not as relevant as yours ? Bendix and Brembo have fantastic pads, as I'm sure do other manufacturers. My experience, on cars and bikes, with pads and discs, is that EBC are really bad, bordering on dangerous . Hence why I keep telling the story to warm people off. But people have to accept from those in the know that the road hh and gifax or whatever the f
k they are called are bloody good pads. I've ridden both and thought they were fantastic. Brembo racing ones may very well be the best but they are eye-wateringly expensive.
That's it.
Anyone who says ebc bike pads are s
t hasn't ridden them or hasn't really got a clue. If your experience is different, then tell people of your experience - let them choose - but don't criticise people who have spent £100's of pounds on EBC and found them to be about as useful as cheese. I remember waiting at Bedford Autodrome for EBC pads to stop burning so I could carry on - the stock pads didn't burn but they did fade, but not as bad as EBC.
Edit to add: As you can see from the previous page, Brembo pads for the Daytona 675 are cheaper than EBC. What's not to like ?
George111 said:
Fleegle said:
George111 said:
What don't I get ? I'm not referring to any ZO4 pad, Brembo or EBC. The point of the discussion was that once again EBC are bullstting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.
EBC Fanboys ??tting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.Really?
George111 said:
What don't I get ? I'm not referring to any ZO4 pad, Brembo or EBC. The point of the discussion was that once again EBC are bullstting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.
That wasn't the point of the discussion at all. Nobody (especially the OP) started a specific discussion about EBC's marketing. You've got a bee in your bonnet about EBC, despite many in here rating their race pad very highly. tting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.Why didn't you make reference to my comment about you "being some sort of top rider"? Come on let us all know what level you ride at.
I am not as quick as people like Mckean but I can hold my own for an old knacker with one leg.
Mugello in near 40 degree heat braking from the rev limiter in top gear, no fade, no judder no lever coming back to the bars all with EBC HH pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSt3_ED7noo
Mate following on his BSB bike with Brembo HPK calliper's and Brembo pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0Nz2XH390
Mugello in near 40 degree heat braking from the rev limiter in top gear, no fade, no judder no lever coming back to the bars all with EBC HH pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSt3_ED7noo
Mate following on his BSB bike with Brembo HPK calliper's and Brembo pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0Nz2XH390
snorky782 said:
George111 said:
What don't I get ? I'm not referring to any ZO4 pad, Brembo or EBC. The point of the discussion was that once again EBC are bullstting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.
That wasn't the point of the discussion at all. Nobody (especially the OP) started a specific discussion about EBC's marketing. You've got a bee in your bonnet about EBC, despite many in here rating their race pad very highly. tting in their marketing. If you read the thread you'll see this was pointed out. As I've said before, if you like EBC then great for you, and all the other fanboys out there. There are a lot of people who won't touch them - had they been honest in their marketing it might have given some confidence that they might be worth trying again but I can't see any reason why I'd want to pay more for an inferior pad - a pad with inferior characteristics as stated by EBC themselves, not me.Why didn't you make reference to my comment about you "being some sort of top rider"? Come on let us all know what level you ride at.
t and a reason not to use them. As I've said many times - if you like EBC and find them good then great for you - but that doesn't in any way negate the experience of 1000's of other people who find them at best poor, at worst dangerous. What level do I ride at ? That's irrelevant - most of the people on this thread are going to be hard pushed to reach the limits of Brembo track pads (inc me) let alone Z04s - I rode in the fast group on many tracks days in Spain, I stopped riding in the UK because of poor weather. I'm no hero but I could hold my own on track.
Do you work for EBC ? Why are you so keen to support them ? Are you paid by EBC to promote their products ? Did you get free pads ?
Biker's Nemesis said:
I am not as quick as people like Mckean but I can hold my own for an old knacker with one leg.
Mugello in near 40 degree heat braking from the rev limiter in top gear, no fade, no judder no lever coming back to the bars all with EBC HH pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSt3_ED7noo
Mate following on his BSB bike with Brembo HPK calliper's and Brembo pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0Nz2XH390
Your videos loom like mine from a few years ago - you're having a great time but I haven't watched enough to see any difference ? Want to spill the beans ?Mugello in near 40 degree heat braking from the rev limiter in top gear, no fade, no judder no lever coming back to the bars all with EBC HH pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSt3_ED7noo
Mate following on his BSB bike with Brembo HPK calliper's and Brembo pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0Nz2XH390
George111 said:
Your videos loom like mine from a few years ago - you're having a great time but I haven't watched enough to see any difference ? Want to spill the beans ?
Just saying that for an average person like myself who uses EBC and doesn't have any problems with brake fade or any problems at all.I am only speaking about my own experience, if you say you have had problems then I believe you, I am just adding my own positive experiences.
George111 said:
The OP was asking about road pads - people started suggesting EBC and therefore I needed to warn against EBC following somebody else also warning against EBC, using their own marketing as an example of their bullst and a reason not to use them. As I've said many times - if you like EBC and find them good then great for you - but that doesn't in any way negate the experience of 1000's of other people who find them at best poor, at worst dangerous.
What level do I ride at ? That's irrelevant - most of the people on this thread are going to be hard pushed to reach the limits of Brembo track pads (inc me) let alone Z04s - I rode in the fast group on many tracks days in Spain, I stopped riding in the UK because of poor weather. I'm no hero but I could hold my own on track.
Do you work for EBC ? Why are you so keen to support them ? Are you paid by EBC to promote their products ? Did you get free pads ?
You needed to warn everyone? Why? Most of us on here are more than happy to use many variants of them, including road HH ones. t and a reason not to use them. As I've said many times - if you like EBC and find them good then great for you - but that doesn't in any way negate the experience of 1000's of other people who find them at best poor, at worst dangerous. What level do I ride at ? That's irrelevant - most of the people on this thread are going to be hard pushed to reach the limits of Brembo track pads (inc me) let alone Z04s - I rode in the fast group on many tracks days in Spain, I stopped riding in the UK because of poor weather. I'm no hero but I could hold my own on track.
Do you work for EBC ? Why are you so keen to support them ? Are you paid by EBC to promote their products ? Did you get free pads ?
Do I work for EBC? That's brilliant coming from someone who hasn't stopped banging on about Brembo from the beginning of this thread. The answer to all of your questions are "no". I don't work for them, I don't get free pads, I'm not paid by them in anyway. Time tomreciprocate about your Brembo relationship.
Biker's Nemesis said:
I am not as quick as people like Mckean but I can hold my own for an old knacker with one leg.
Mugello in near 40 degree heat braking from the rev limiter in top gear, no fade, no judder no lever coming back to the bars all with EBC HH pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSt3_ED7noo
Mate following on his BSB bike with Brembo HPK calliper's and Brembo pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0Nz2XH390
Nice to watch that , having been a few times to Mugello it was great to see it ridden. What speeds were you reaching on the main straight ?Mugello in near 40 degree heat braking from the rev limiter in top gear, no fade, no judder no lever coming back to the bars all with EBC HH pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSt3_ED7noo
Mate following on his BSB bike with Brembo HPK calliper's and Brembo pads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0Nz2XH390
Busa mav said:
Nice to watch that , having been a few times to Mugello it was great to see it ridden. What speeds were you reaching on the main straight ?
I managed a genuine 175mph on the GPS whilst riding a zx10r. Front end goes light as you go over the crest and need to brake HARD for turn 1. George111 said:
This is what discussions about EBC always descend into . . . Oh No It's Not . . . . It's like a Pantomime !
The higher the Mu figure the less you need to squeeze the lever. So a Brembo pad with a 0.8Mu rating will stop you faster than an EBC pad with a 0.7Mu rating, for the same piston pressure.
Lever pressure is not "stopping power", as I'm sure you are aware, but don't stop grasping at straws on my behalf It's like a Pantomime ! The higher the Mu figure the less you need to squeeze the lever. So a Brembo pad with a 0.8Mu rating will stop you faster than an EBC pad with a 0.7Mu rating, for the same piston pressure.
I suppose if you had such a limp grip that it limited braking, then perhaps you'd need the highest possible friction material in order to stop. Normal people do not.George111 said:
I have used EBC HH on my road and track bikes. They were rubbish.
The problem was not the pads, since they are well proven to be excellent. Suggest you check out the rest of the braking system, and if that's ok its probably time to replace the rider.Edited by Mr2Mike on Tuesday 3rd May 12:43
Mr2Mike said:
George111 said:
This is what discussions about EBC always descend into . . . Oh No It's Not . . . . It's like a Pantomime !
The higher the Mu figure the less you need to squeeze the lever. So a Brembo pad with a 0.8Mu rating will stop you faster than an EBC pad with a 0.7Mu rating, for the same piston pressure.
Lever pressure is not "stopping power", as I'm sure you are aware, but don't stop grasping at straws on my behalf It's like a Pantomime ! The higher the Mu figure the less you need to squeeze the lever. So a Brembo pad with a 0.8Mu rating will stop you faster than an EBC pad with a 0.7Mu rating, for the same piston pressure.
I suppose if you had such a limp grip that it limited braking, then perhaps you'd need the highest possible friction material in order to stop. Normal people do not.George111 said:
Mu is only part of the equation though. Ability to modulate the brakes and also the pad's ability to maintain a stable mu profile with respect to temperature are also important.
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