Moto gp - Assen
Discussion
Stone Cold said:
The first one yes, the second no as per others it didn't record all of it hence no comment from me about it so hey no jaded views from me, although not sure your terminology is correct either I think you mean jaundiced view
I know Rossi wears yellow, so I guess they could equally be jaundiced. I used jaded as a synonym for biased, which is perfectly acceptable. Either way, my comment was purely to see if there was any bias that way. I don't care either way. I was cheering Redding on in race 1 and Miller after the restart.
Turn7 said:
A £1 treble bet on todays results would have netted £192,000.......
Gutted for VR, JL clearly fragile if grip not there.
Great for Scott and Jack.
All of todays bike racing was in foul weather, always make things "interesting"....
Wasn't it assen where lorenzo broke his collar bone qualifying went off to hospital and came back to race sunday ?Gutted for VR, JL clearly fragile if grip not there.
Great for Scott and Jack.
All of todays bike racing was in foul weather, always make things "interesting"....
epom said:
Missed all of this weekends action. Sounds like it was interesting of nothing else. Great news re Jack, well deserved. I for one however don't believe in this stopping the race because of the weather lark. They are paid millions and millions, just go slower and be more careful.
It was getting close to aqua-planning levels of water on the track, it was the right decision.
Any deeper and he'd need a rudder.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Sunday 26th June 21:47
snorky782 said:
I know Rossi wears yellow, so I guess they could equally be jaundiced. I used jaded as a synonym for biased, which is perfectly acceptable.
Either way, my comment was purely to see if there was any bias that way. I don't care either way. I was cheering Redding on in race 1 and Miller after the restart.
What you actually did was suggest that there was a bias 'I guess your views are jaded....' Slightly different but OK.Either way, my comment was purely to see if there was any bias that way. I don't care either way. I was cheering Redding on in race 1 and Miller after the restart.
Now that we've got that sorted. And if you can take at face value my belief that Rossi was heading back to 6th or 7th or so in race one - and benefited from the chance to go onto the softer tyre for race 2. Before he created his own problem ....hope you can see I really don't think the conditions were to blame for Rossi's race today - they gave him an opportunity and he messed up.
Only one bike didn't complete the 14 laps of race 1
A further 7 didn't complete the 12 laps of race 2 (5 in the first 2 laps)
I do appreciate that the conditions deteriorated terribly at the end of part one and it did need to be stopped even if the riders all seemed a bit frustrated. But maybe some alternative method of restating is needed, a drying bit wet track and all of the gaps closed back up is a recipe for people over reaching isn't it? I don't have any smart ideas, it's just an observation.
Hungrymc said:
snorky782 said:
I know Rossi wears yellow, so I guess they could equally be jaundiced. I used jaded as a synonym for biased, which is perfectly acceptable.
Either way, my comment was purely to see if there was any bias that way. I don't care either way. I was cheering Redding on in race 1 and Miller after the restart.
What you actually did was suggest that there was a bias 'I guess your views are jaded....' Slightly different but OK.Either way, my comment was purely to see if there was any bias that way. I don't care either way. I was cheering Redding on in race 1 and Miller after the restart.
Now that we've got that sorted. And if you can take at face value my belief that Rossi was heading back to 6th or 7th or so in race one - and benefited from the chance to go onto the softer tyre for race 2. Before he created his own problem ....hope you can see I really don't think the conditions were to blame for Rossi's race today - they gave him an opportunity and he messed up.
Only one bike didn't complete the 14 laps of race 1
A further 7 didn't complete the 12 laps of race 2 (5 in the first 2 laps)
I do appreciate that the conditions deteriorated terribly at the end of part one and it did need to be stopped even if the riders all seemed a bit frustrated. But maybe some alternative method of restating is needed, a drying bit wet track and all of the gaps closed back up is a recipe for people over reaching isn't it? I don't have any smart ideas, it's just an observation.
There are a couple of options
1. sending them out at timed intervals to reflect race 1. That just encourages people to push harder and harder in worsening conditions
2. Aggregated times. The crowds hate that. It's been done before and causes confusion and anger.
There is the final option if just not running the second part, but that's not going to happen as the impact on future rounds is huge
snorky782 said:
As frustrated as I was that they stopped the first race, it did make total sense. The second race was much, much safer. I guess your views are jaded by one particular rider who fell off in the second race though.
All these weeks on, and still so much hate.Marquez looks like a massive favourite now... If it was the Marquez of last year then I would say even with this huge lead he would still have a high chance of being caught. But the team seemed to have finally drilled into his head that bringing the bike home in 3rd/4th isn't always a bad thing. I do still feel the risk of him falling off is there, he's been down a lot in practices/quali lately, only a matter of time before it happens in a race?
As always Rossi is completely open and honest with his mistakes, no bulls
t. It looks like he is the fastest this year (which, lets all admit, is a phenomenal achievement in itself) and won't win the title and last year he was probably 3rd fastest yet should have won it. A real shame, especially because of his speed this year. There is a long way to go, so who knows.As for Lorenzo, Rossi crashing out yesterday has (unfortunately) taken the focus away from how bad he was, and boy did he use that in full flow. Each interview I've seen from him he just kept mentioning Rossi's mistake rather than the fact he was 19th on the best bike (admittedly he did say he struggles to adapt his style to certain conditions). He could actually do with taking a leaf out of Marquez' new book and just focus on himself?
Anyway, fair play to him for bringing the bike home. It's obvious that the guy requires 100% perfect conditions to really be fast. How is he going to adapt to further mixed condition races or more importantly the Ducati when he has admitted not being able to adapt his style?
Regardless of who you are a fan of, it is a shame the top 3 are now further apart, Rossi winning and Lorenzo only scoring a few points would have really made the next few rounds interesting.
It does appear as if Lorenzo requires perfect conditions to be quick. Ducati switch is going to be really interesting but the team is not the same as the one Rossi started with in 2011 and should be better to adapt itself.
Frustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Frustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
joema said:
It does appear as if Lorenzo requires perfect conditions to be quick. Ducati switch is going to be really interesting but the team is not the same as the one Rossi started with in 2011 and should be better to adapt itself.
Frustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Lorenzo just seems to be going backwards, and it appears he's lost some of his drive tooFrustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Maybe it's something to do with the team switch, who knows
graeme4130 said:
joema said:
It does appear as if Lorenzo requires perfect conditions to be quick. Ducati switch is going to be really interesting but the team is not the same as the one Rossi started with in 2011 and should be better to adapt itself.
Frustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Lorenzo just seems to be going backwards, and it appears he's lost some of his drive tooFrustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Maybe it's something to do with the team switch, who knows
He's 2nd in the championship , if marquez dnf's next time and lorenzo wins he'll be at the top.
One things for certain nobody has it in the bag this year.
JRC1 said:
All these weeks on, and still so much hate.
Marquez looks like a massive favourite now... If it was the Marquez of last year then I would say even with this huge lead he would still have a high chance of being caught. But the team seemed to have finally drilled into his head that bringing the bike home in 3rd/4th isn't always a bad thing. I do still feel the risk of him falling off is there, he's been down a lot in practices/quali lately, only a matter of time before it happens in a race?
As always Rossi is completely open and honest with his mistakes, no bullst. It looks like he is the fastest this year (which, lets all admit, is a phenomenal achievement in itself) and won't win the title and last year he was probably 3rd fastest yet should have won it. A real shame, especially because of his speed this year. There is a long way to go, so who knows.
As for Lorenzo, Rossi crashing out yesterday has (unfortunately) taken the focus away from how bad he was, and boy did he use that in full flow. Each interview I've seen from him he just kept mentioning Rossi's mistake rather than the fact he was 19th on the best bike (admittedly he did say he struggles to adapt his style to certain conditions). He could actually do with taking a leaf out of Marquez' new book and just focus on himself?
Anyway, fair play to him for bringing the bike home. It's obvious that the guy requires 100% perfect conditions to really be fast. How is he going to adapt to further mixed condition races or more importantly the Ducati when he has admitted not being able to adapt his style?
Regardless of who you are a fan of, it is a shame the top 3 are now further apart, Rossi winning and Lorenzo only scoring a few points would have really made the next few rounds interesting.
No hate at all. Tibia possible to question something without having an extreme emotional aspect to it. Marquez looks like a massive favourite now... If it was the Marquez of last year then I would say even with this huge lead he would still have a high chance of being caught. But the team seemed to have finally drilled into his head that bringing the bike home in 3rd/4th isn't always a bad thing. I do still feel the risk of him falling off is there, he's been down a lot in practices/quali lately, only a matter of time before it happens in a race?
As always Rossi is completely open and honest with his mistakes, no bulls
t. It looks like he is the fastest this year (which, lets all admit, is a phenomenal achievement in itself) and won't win the title and last year he was probably 3rd fastest yet should have won it. A real shame, especially because of his speed this year. There is a long way to go, so who knows.As for Lorenzo, Rossi crashing out yesterday has (unfortunately) taken the focus away from how bad he was, and boy did he use that in full flow. Each interview I've seen from him he just kept mentioning Rossi's mistake rather than the fact he was 19th on the best bike (admittedly he did say he struggles to adapt his style to certain conditions). He could actually do with taking a leaf out of Marquez' new book and just focus on himself?
Anyway, fair play to him for bringing the bike home. It's obvious that the guy requires 100% perfect conditions to really be fast. How is he going to adapt to further mixed condition races or more importantly the Ducati when he has admitted not being able to adapt his style?
Regardless of who you are a fan of, it is a shame the top 3 are now further apart, Rossi winning and Lorenzo only scoring a few points would have really made the next few rounds interesting.
snorky782 said:
As frustrated as I was that they stopped the first race, it did make total sense. The second race was much, much safer. I guess your views are jaded by one particular rider who fell off in the second race though.
JRC1 said:
All these weeks on, and still so much hate.
JRC1 said:
As for Lorenzo, Rossi crashing out yesterday has (unfortunately) taken the focus away from how bad he was, and boy did he use that in full flow. Each interview I've seen from him he just kept mentioning Rossi's mistake rather than the fact he was 19th on the best bike (admittedly he did say he struggles to adapt his style to certain conditions). He could actually do with taking a leaf out of Marquez' new book and just focus on himself?
JRC1 said:
Rossi.....last year he was probably 3rd fastest yet should have won it.
No, the one with the most points should (and did) win !JRC1 said:
Anyway, fair play to him for bringing the bike home.
JRC1 said:
As for Lorenzo, It's obvious that the guy requires 100% perfect conditions to really be fast.
I'm sure if you had a crash like he did in 2013, you would have lost any confidence when you race there !JRC1 said:
How is he going to adapt to the Ducati when he has admitted not being able to adapt his style?
Maybe they will change the bike to work for him ?JRC1 said:
Regardless of who you are a fan of, it is a shame the top 3 are now further apart, Rossi winning and Lorenzo only scoring a few points would have really made the next few rounds interesting.
All of the bad luck seems to have been with Rossi and Lorenzo so far ?egor110 said:
graeme4130 said:
joema said:
It does appear as if Lorenzo requires perfect conditions to be quick. Ducati switch is going to be really interesting but the team is not the same as the one Rossi started with in 2011 and should be better to adapt itself.
Frustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Lorenzo just seems to be going backwards, and it appears he's lost some of his drive tooFrustrated with Rossi and Cal yesterday but made up for Miller. Super awesome result!
Maybe it's something to do with the team switch, who knows
He's 2nd in the championship , if marquez dnf's next time and lorenzo wins he'll be at the top.
One things for certain nobody has it in the bag this year.
tight5 said:
snorky782 said:
As frustrated as I was that they stopped the first race, it did make total sense. The second race was much, much safer. I guess your views are jaded by one particular rider who fell off in the second race though.
JRC1 said:
All these weeks on, and still so much hate.
JRC1 said:
As for Lorenzo, Rossi crashing out yesterday has (unfortunately) taken the focus away from how bad he was, and boy did he use that in full flow. Each interview I've seen from him he just kept mentioning Rossi's mistake rather than the fact he was 19th on the best bike (admittedly he did say he struggles to adapt his style to certain conditions). He could actually do with taking a leaf out of Marquez' new book and just focus on himself?
JRC1 said:
Rossi.....last year he was probably 3rd fastest yet should have won it.
No, the one with the most points should (and did) win !JRC1 said:
Anyway, fair play to him for bringing the bike home.
JRC1 said:
As for Lorenzo, It's obvious that the guy requires 100% perfect conditions to really be fast.
I'm sure if you had a crash like he did in 2013, you would have lost any confidence when you race there !JRC1 said:
How is he going to adapt to the Ducati when he has admitted not being able to adapt his style?
Maybe they will change the bike to work for him ?JRC1 said:
Regardless of who you are a fan of, it is a shame the top 3 are now further apart, Rossi winning and Lorenzo only scoring a few points would have really made the next few rounds interesting.
All of the bad luck seems to have been with Rossi and Lorenzo so far ?Do you get a notification when I post or are you just far too active on here?
Don't give me that rubbish about him losing confidence at Assen. What about Rossi's huge crash at Mugello in 2010, does he ride slower there now? No, he stuck it on pole. Lorenzo is crap in the wet and you know it, saying he's crap when conditions aren't 100% is taking it a bit too far, but he certainly isn't fast.
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