Petrol Station Argument - Sitting on the Bike?
Discussion
Disastrous said:
Is that a petrol pump on a forecourt? No, of course not.
Ferrari had a pitlane fire a few years back as well but I would assume you don't don full nomex just to pop a bit of V Power in the car to get you home...
A few things. Ferrari had a pitlane fire a few years back as well but I would assume you don't don full nomex just to pop a bit of V Power in the car to get you home...
1) They banned refuelling in F1.
2) I don't drive an F1 car.
3) When I refuel my car, I don't have an F1 engine that's red hot next to where the fuel nozzle attaches.
4) When I refuel my car I stop the engine
5) The fuel used in the bike fire above is exactly the same as that which you use in a road bike. So the result is the same, regardless of how it gets there.
There's lots more but you get the idea.
Given that 1,491 people were injured in a single meteor strike just over 3 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor thus the number of injuries is significantly larger than those injured by filling their bike up wile astride it, should petrol companies not be adopting a policy of all filling stations being located in concert bunkers deep underground?
Edited by black-k1 on Friday 1st July 11:52
creampuff said:
Disastrous said:
at all the babies so afraid of petrol in a filling station they plan an 'escape route'. That is f
king brilliant.ks on their way to a night out of non-stop shagging. I get off my bike when I fill up.
I take my helmet off, because I prefer too.
I take out my ear plugs so I can hear people, if they choose to talk to me, or I them.
I like to be cheerful and polite to the staff at the petrol station who never seem to argue with me. I appreciate they have a fairly dull job, but can be held accountable for enforcing rules not of their making.
I try not to add stress into my own and other's lives without reason.
I think I'll change my username to Dalai Lama
I take my helmet off, because I prefer too.
I take out my ear plugs so I can hear people, if they choose to talk to me, or I them.
I like to be cheerful and polite to the staff at the petrol station who never seem to argue with me. I appreciate they have a fairly dull job, but can be held accountable for enforcing rules not of their making.
I try not to add stress into my own and other's lives without reason.
I think I'll change my username to Dalai Lama
I sit on my bike at my local Tesco, exactly as OP did - no staff member has ever bked me (yet).
I only take off my right glove in order to open petrol tank, fish out wallet from my pocket & enter PIN into card reader. I always put side stand down, so not much chance of biker falling over. The upside is that I am in & out MUCH quicker than most cars.
On another note: I lived abroad a while back - I remember the petrol stations all had attendants & were not self-service. Properly scary when the attendant is filling up your car whilst having a fag!!!!!
ked me (yet).I only take off my right glove in order to open petrol tank, fish out wallet from my pocket & enter PIN into card reader. I always put side stand down, so not much chance of biker falling over. The upside is that I am in & out MUCH quicker than most cars.
On another note: I lived abroad a while back - I remember the petrol stations all had attendants & were not self-service. Properly scary when the attendant is filling up your car whilst having a fag!!!!!
srob said:
Disastrous said:
Is that a petrol pump on a forecourt? No, of course not.
Ferrari had a pitlane fire a few years back as well but I would assume you don't don full nomex just to pop a bit of V Power in the car to get you home...
A few things. Ferrari had a pitlane fire a few years back as well but I would assume you don't don full nomex just to pop a bit of V Power in the car to get you home...
1) They banned refuelling in F1.
2) I don't drive an F1 car.
3) When I refuel my car, I don't have an F1 engine that's red hot next to where the fuel nozzle attaches.
4) When I refuel my car I stop the engine
5) The fuel used in the bike fire above is exactly the same as that which you use in a road bike. So the result is the same, regardless of how it gets there.
There's lots more but you get the idea.
I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
Trabi601 said:
DM79 said:
I got a bking last week for passing the pump over to top my mates bike off. Sitting on it was never mentioned tho.
One time I filled up (sat on it), helmet on, walked in to pay and the lady behind the counter asked me to remove my helmet, I said if I was going to steal the petrol I'd have ridden off already and not come in to pay. She looked confused and a little flustered and let me pay and go without the removal of said helmet!
We've recently changed policy, asking to 'lift visor or remove helmet' - this is so you can hear other vehicles and / or tannoy announcements.king last week for passing the pump over to top my mates bike off. Sitting on it was never mentioned tho.One time I filled up (sat on it), helmet on, walked in to pay and the lady behind the counter asked me to remove my helmet, I said if I was going to steal the petrol I'd have ridden off already and not come in to pay. She looked confused and a little flustered and let me pay and go without the removal of said helmet!
Disastrous said:
My point was that using a racing refuelling example is hardly analogous to a petrol station. You've sort of reinforced that with your points though so sounds like you are agreeing with me?
I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
I give up. I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
If you can't understand that petrol is petrol regardless of how it gets to where it's going to ignite, I really can't be bothered trying to explain!
srob said:
Disastrous said:
My point was that using a racing refuelling example is hardly analogous to a petrol station. You've sort of reinforced that with your points though so sounds like you are agreeing with me?
I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
I give up. I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
If you can't understand that petrol is petrol regardless of how it gets to where it's going to ignite, I really can't be bothered trying to explain!
I really do struggle with people who continually argue against sensible H&S policies.
"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
srob said:
Disastrous said:
My point was that using a racing refuelling example is hardly analogous to a petrol station. You've sort of reinforced that with your points though so sounds like you are agreeing with me?
I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
I give up. I would just like to see some evidence of how many bikers have burned to death refuelling whilst sitting on their bikes in an ordinary filling station. As mentioned, my only refuelling 'incident' happened when I was off the bike so if we're now accepting anecdotal evidence as fact, then this is far more dangerous than staying on.
If you can't understand that petrol is petrol regardless of how it gets to where it's going to ignite, I really can't be bothered trying to explain!
I don't really care how people fill their bike. I just don't think there need to be a 'policy' about how to do it. It's childishly simple to do and thus doesn't need legislating.
Trabi601 said:
I really do struggle with people who continually argue against sensible H&S policies.
"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
Rubbish. Only one time have I ever been asked to get off the bike so obviously loads of places allow it. One would expect there to have been some incidents as a result of this desperately reckless practice, non?"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
Disastrous said:
Trabi601 said:
I really do struggle with people who continually argue against sensible H&S policies.
"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
Rubbish. Only one time have I ever been asked to get off the bike so obviously loads of places allow it. One would expect there to have been some incidents as a result of this desperately reckless practice, non?"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
You're welcome to take the risk at places where they're not enforcing the policy - so long as you're not one of the vocal minority of bikers who abuse and threaten the cashiers when they do ask you to dismount.
Trabi601 said:
Disastrous said:
Trabi601 said:
I really do struggle with people who continually argue against sensible H&S policies.
"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
Rubbish. Only one time have I ever been asked to get off the bike so obviously loads of places allow it. One would expect there to have been some incidents as a result of this desperately reckless practice, non?"Show me evidence of when it happened"
Usually I can't, because, well, H&S policy has protected idiots from themselves and there isn't a lot of evidence out there.
The reason most video clips of straddling incidents are from other countries is that H&S policy stops it happening over here.
You're welcome to take the risk at places where they're not enforcing the policy - so long as you're not one of the vocal minority of bikers who abuse and threaten the cashiers when they do ask you to dismount.
And of course I'm also welcome not to use places that try to baby me and enforce stupid rules. I was only rude to the staff member when I got petrol in my eyes after being forced to get off.
I can't remember seeing a motorcyclist walk around the far side of a bike to fill it.
I sit on the bike, put the stand down in anticipation of leaving the bike to pay, if i'm told to take my helmet off, I might but usually leave and go elsewhere, if i'm told to get off i'll leave too, both assuming I have a bit of fuel left. The difference in fuel height can be 20 miles+ easily on a sports bike which has no centre stand. Shame about the fires, but in some cases, equipment, observation, and ham fisted device operation are the cause.
This is a very jobsworth anorak like thread for pistonheads which does sound like the fear comes from the EU even if not. If you slip on desel in the forecourt you should have watched which pump you were about to use before hand, common sence says don't ride over it then stand in it stupid. Shame the tts that preach about fuelling safety don't clean the ste up to prevent those H&S risks, they'd rather be in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over some other aspect of control they have without actually doing anything.
I sit on the bike, put the stand down in anticipation of leaving the bike to pay, if i'm told to take my helmet off, I might but usually leave and go elsewhere, if i'm told to get off i'll leave too, both assuming I have a bit of fuel left. The difference in fuel height can be 20 miles+ easily on a sports bike which has no centre stand. Shame about the fires, but in some cases, equipment, observation, and ham fisted device operation are the cause.
This is a very jobsworth anorak like thread for pistonheads which does sound like the fear comes from the EU even if not. If you slip on desel in the forecourt you should have watched which pump you were about to use before hand, common sence says don't ride over it then stand in it stupid. Shame the t
ts that preach about fuelling safety don't clean the ste up to prevent those H&S risks, they'd rather be in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over some other aspect of control they have without actually doing anything.- helmets #selfimportance #fkoff
Edited by CarsOrBikes on Friday 1st July 22:17
CarsOrBikes said:
I can' remember seeing a motorcyclist walk around the far side of a bike to fill it.
I sit on the bike, put the stand down in anticipation of leaving the bike to pay, if i'm told to take my helmet off, I might but usually leave and go elsewhere, if i'm told to get off i'll leave too, both assuming I have a bit of fuel left. The difference in fuel height can be 20 miles+ easily on a sports bike which has no centre stand. Shame about the fires, but in some cases, equipment, observation, and ham fisted device operation are the cause.
This is a very jobsworth anorak like thread for pistonheads which does sound like the fear comes from the EU even if not. If you slip on desel in the forecourt you should have watched which pump you were about to use before hand, common sence says don't ride over it then stand in it stupid. Shame the tts that preach about fuelling safety don't clean the ste up to prevent those H&S risks, they'd rather be in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over some other aspect of control they have without actually doing anything.
How often do you propose the lone cashier on a site goes out onto the forecourt to check which clumsy oaf has spilled diesel? After every diesel customer? - every 15 minutes, every hour? Maybe they should be poised to clean it up whilst the customer fills?I sit on the bike, put the stand down in anticipation of leaving the bike to pay, if i'm told to take my helmet off, I might but usually leave and go elsewhere, if i'm told to get off i'll leave too, both assuming I have a bit of fuel left. The difference in fuel height can be 20 miles+ easily on a sports bike which has no centre stand. Shame about the fires, but in some cases, equipment, observation, and ham fisted device operation are the cause.
This is a very jobsworth anorak like thread for pistonheads which does sound like the fear comes from the EU even if not. If you slip on desel in the forecourt you should have watched which pump you were about to use before hand, common sence says don't ride over it then stand in it stupid. Shame the t
ts that preach about fuelling safety don't clean the ste up to prevent those H&S risks, they'd rather be in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over some other aspect of control they have without actually doing anything.- helmets #selfimportance #fkoff
I'm sure you wouldn't mind waiting a few minutes for them to authorise the pump, whilst they check for spillages. Would you?
Whilst the risk may be low, the consequence is just about as high as you can get - potential for serious injury or fatality. The oil industry doesn't like high consequence practices, so will do whatever they can to minimise the risk.
Remember, that person you abuse, that person 'getting their knickers in a twist', is the person you'll be relying on to put the fire out if it does go wrong.
CarsOrBikes said:
I can' remember seeing a motorcyclist walk around the far side of a bike to fill it.
I sit on the bike, put the stand down in anticipation of leaving the bike to pay, if i'm told to take my helmet off, I might but usually leave and go elsewhere, if i'm told to get off i'll leave too, both assuming I have a bit of fuel left. The difference in fuel height can be 20 miles+ easily on a sports bike which has no centre stand. Shame about the fires, but in some cases, equipment, observation, and ham fisted device operation are the cause.
This is a very jobsworth anorak like thread for pistonheads which does sound like the fear comes from the EU even if not. If you slip on desel in the forecourt you should have watched which pump you were about to use before hand, common sence says don't ride over it then stand in it stupid. Shame the tts that preach about fuelling safety don't clean the ste up to prevent those H&S risks, they'd rather be in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over some other aspect of control they have without actually doing anything.
yes you are an utter helmet , near enough an embodiment of the stereotypes aobut PHers .I sit on the bike, put the stand down in anticipation of leaving the bike to pay, if i'm told to take my helmet off, I might but usually leave and go elsewhere, if i'm told to get off i'll leave too, both assuming I have a bit of fuel left. The difference in fuel height can be 20 miles+ easily on a sports bike which has no centre stand. Shame about the fires, but in some cases, equipment, observation, and ham fisted device operation are the cause.
This is a very jobsworth anorak like thread for pistonheads which does sound like the fear comes from the EU even if not. If you slip on desel in the forecourt you should have watched which pump you were about to use before hand, common sence says don't ride over it then stand in it stupid. Shame the t
ts that preach about fuelling safety don't clean the ste up to prevent those H&S risks, they'd rather be in this thread getting their knickers in a twist over some other aspect of control they have without actually doing anything.- helmets #selfimportance #fkoff
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