Isle of Man Police release shocking video

[308mate]

SteveSteveson said:

308mate said:

SteveSteveson said:

308mate said:

Andy XRV said:

Over the years there have been so many head on collisions on the mountain that during the whole of the TT both practice and race week the unrestricted section is one way. Maybe the police should adopt that strategy for all other bike meetings including The Festival of Motorcycling.

Is that not just legislating for the lowest common denominator? What next, remove the engines from all visiting bikes for big events? Of course not. As I was explaining to someone recently who hurt themselves and tried to lay the blame elsewhere, biking has absolute accountability. That's one of the reasons we do it, isn't it?

Clearly there are people who are taking innocent people with them. That's the issue. If this was just people crashing and taking themselves out then you might have a point, but it's not.

That's true but that's no different than everyday riding. Anyone oncoming who fks up badly enough is going to kill us. This is an extreme case of course it doesn't make it different. We know by being on them we're at greater risk. I just despise more legislation for the sake of it because there is no way of drawing a line.

fk me your over dramatic. By all accounts that kind of riding is not uncommon on that section of road, which is why the police released the video. Making it one way over that puris is better than the alternative. Either more people die from tts like that or speed limits, and enforcing them.

Fine but I disagree. I'm not arguing that making it one way won't improve safety, I'm saying each time you make a new rule, you've then got to make another one to counter the next way that someone dies. It's an ever decreasing circle of legislation and one that further inconveniences locals.

If the TT folk were smart, they would commoditise that road by requiring riders to have their riding standard and attitiude assessed and certificated before they're allowed across the mountain (free to locals but still required). Charge everyone 40 quid for the assessment and piece of paper, renewable every 3 years. It might lead to less idiots up there AND be an extra source of revenue plus good for PR as its a very high profile attempt to reduce injuries and improve standards.

[Biker's Nemesis]

308mate said:

If the TT folk were smart, they would commoditise that road by requiring riders to have their riding standard and attitiude assessed and certificated before they're allowed across the mountain (free to locals but still required). Charge everyone 40 quid for the assessment and piece of paper, renewable every 3 years. It might lead to less idiots up there AND be an extra source of revenue plus good for PR as its a very high profile attempt to reduce injuries and improve standards.

What a load of bks.

[Jonno02]

silverfoxcc said:

The thing that worries me is no one BUT no one, went to see if there was anything they could assist with. Why? If i hadnt been told it was IOM i would have said it was a so what an accident Russian tyoe vid where nobody gives a flying fk. Jeeez at least i would have been trying to put the fire out on the poor sod.

I think it's more shock at what's just happened, that wasn't just a crash, that was a full on explosion. It's easy for us to sit here in our comfy leather chairs and watch it on YouTube, different story actually being there.

I actually gasped when that happened, even though I was waiting for it. God knows what would be going through your mind if you were actually there.

[Wacky Racer]

Biker's Nemesis said:

308mate said:

If the TT folk were smart, they would commoditise that road by requiring riders to have their riding standard and attitiude assessed and certificated before they're allowed across the mountain (free to locals but still required). Charge everyone 40 quid for the assessment and piece of paper, renewable every 3 years. It might lead to less idiots up there AND be an extra source of revenue plus good for PR as its a very high profile attempt to reduce injuries and improve standards.

What a load of bks.

[black-k1]

What happened in the video is tragic. Regardless of fault, the two riders killed don’t care if they do or don’t get our sympathy, they’re dead! Their family and friends are the ones that remain and all are innocent victims of this crash. All have my sympathy.

Having been to the TT, I can honestly say that, while the majority rode safely and with consideration, there was a large enough minority who were just completely stupid and inconsiderate enough to spoil it for everyone. The standard of riding shown on this video was no different to my own experience.

As someone who doesn’t have to live on the IoM, I can see the sense in making the mountain road one way for all events. I can also understand that it will impact locals greatly.

While you can’t (and shouldn’t try to) legislate for all levels of stupidity, making changes that have an immediate positive effect without significantly impacting either general usage or enjoyment, should always be given serious consideration.

[silverfoxcc]

Efbe said:

silverfoxcc said:

The thing that worries me is no one BUT no one, went to see if there was anything they could assist with. Why? If i hadnt been told it was IOM i would have said it was a so what an accident Russian tyoe vid where nobody gives a flying fk. Jeeez at least i would have been trying to put the fire out on the poor sod.

fire ball.

and do what?

Well the preservation of life part of me says, at least put the fire out on him and get him a bit further away from the danger. No fecker even bothered to have a look at he poor bd and just watched the BBQ. Ok he was dead, BUT he may not have been,and might havce been saved from fatal burns, we have all seen those vids on here when you think thata a funeral job, and the bloke jumps up and is moving. just saying shame on everyone who did fk all, esp to the cretin who drove through it afterwards. Prize one IMHO

[anonymous-user]

Jonno02 said:

silverfoxcc said:

The thing that worries me is no one BUT no one, went to see if there was anything they could assist with. Why? If i hadnt been told it was IOM i would have said it was a so what an accident Russian tyoe vid where nobody gives a flying fk. Jeeez at least i would have been trying to put the fire out on the poor sod.

I think it's more shock at what's just happened, that wasn't just a crash, that was a full on explosion. It's easy for us to sit here in our comfy leather chairs and watch it on YouTube, different story actually being there.

I actually gasped when that happened, even though I was waiting for it. God knows what would be going through your mind if you were actually there.

Dead bodies aren't nice. Fire is instinctively seen as dangerous.
A dead body on fire is two for the price of one so it's a perfectly natural reaction (and not necessarily a conscious decision) to run away.

[The Moose]

308mate said:

If the TT folk were smart, they would commoditise that road by requiring riders to have their riding standard and attitiude assessed and certificated before they're allowed across the mountain (free to locals but still required). Charge everyone 40 quid for the assessment and piece of paper, renewable every 3 years. It might lead to less idiots up there AND be an extra source of revenue plus good for PR as its a very high profile attempt to reduce injuries and improve standards.

What a crock of st!

[popeyewhite]

Awful.

creampuff said:

RemyMartin said:

My fking hero.

Never made an error of judgement or mistake then? Whatever you think they are both dead.

How do you know the other biker wasn't riding like a tt before he died?

Read what I fking said. That wasn't a mistake, that was a sustained period of stupid riding which anyone -...

You need to look up 'sustained'.

[s3fella]

One way certainly helps in TT week, I think they should adopt it for the Classic too.

They have plenty of "Rechts Fahren" signs around the track, but I don't think they have them in the reverse direction where this German was riding.


BTW, I just got back from the Island having been in the car for a break with the family. Despite there being no racing fro some weeks, there was still a few bikes about. But it was noticeable how many vehicles have a proper "go" over the mountain, from builders vans, to motorhomes and diesel Audis.

[snorky782]

s3fella said:

One way certainly helps in TT week, I think they should adopt it for the Classic too.

They have plenty of "Rechts Fahren" signs around the track, but I don't think they have them in the reverse direction where this German was riding.


BTW, I just got back from the Island having been in the car for a break with the family. Despite there being no racing fro some weeks, there was still a few bikes about. But it was noticeable how many vehicles have a proper "go" over the mountain, from builders vans, to motorhomes and diesel Audis.

If they have lots of "Rechts fahren" then that explains a lot about why he was driving on the right.

[s3fella]

snorky782 said:

If they have lots of "Rechts fahren" then that explains a lot about why he was driving on the right.

Brilliant

[308mate]

Biker's Nemesis said:

308mate said:

If the TT folk were smart, they would commoditise that road by requiring riders to have their riding standard and attitiude assessed and certificated before they're allowed across the mountain (free to locals but still required). Charge everyone 40 quid for the assessment and piece of paper, renewable every 3 years. It might lead to less idiots up there AND be an extra source of revenue plus good for PR as its a very high profile attempt to reduce injuries and improve standards.

What a load of bks.

Yes it's more wky administration and it's not a perfect solution but I don't see why not. By introducing measures like that you buy yourself some time from the "ban the race" brigade I think.

Hey, if others have other ideas, I'm all ears.

[308mate]

The Moose said:

308mate said:

If the TT folk were smart, they would commoditise that road by requiring riders to have their riding standard and attitiude assessed and certificated before they're allowed across the mountain (free to locals but still required). Charge everyone 40 quid for the assessment and piece of paper, renewable every 3 years. It might lead to less idiots up there AND be an extra source of revenue plus good for PR as its a very high profile attempt to reduce injuries and improve standards.

What a crock of st!

I'm beginning to think people disagree.

[Prof Prolapse]

silverfoxcc said:

Well the preservation of life part of me says, at least put the fire out on him and get him a bit further away from the danger. No fecker even bothered to have a look at he poor bd and just watched the BBQ. Ok he was dead, BUT he may not have been,and might havce been saved from fatal burns, we have all seen those vids on here when you think thata a funeral job, and the bloke jumps up and is moving. just saying shame on everyone who did fk all, esp to the cretin who drove through it afterwards. Prize one IMHO

Just remember not everyone has that much presence of mind after witnessing that situation mate. You also don't know what they did after the end of the footage.

It's moot anyway. They're dead and amateur intervention is somewhat unlikely to have altered that fact. I think as mentioned above the only real useful response to this sort of thing is empathy for those left behind, and a reminder to be vigilant.

Sadly I find myself developing quite a thick skin to it these days. I suspect I'm not alone with that though.

[308mate]

Prof Prolapse said:

silverfoxcc said:

Well the preservation of life part of me says, at least put the fire out on him and get him a bit further away from the danger. No fecker even bothered to have a look at he poor bd and just watched the BBQ. Ok he was dead, BUT he may not have been,and might havce been saved from fatal burns, we have all seen those vids on here when you think thata a funeral job, and the bloke jumps up and is moving. just saying shame on everyone who did fk all, esp to the cretin who drove through it afterwards. Prize one IMHO

Just remember not everyone has that much presence of mind after witnessing that situation mate. You also don't know what they did after the end of the footage.

It's moot anyway. They're dead and amateur intervention is somewhat unlikely to have altered that fact. I think as mentioned above the only real useful response to this sort of thing is empathy for those left behind, and a reminder to be vigilant.

Sadly I find myself developing quite a thick skin to it these days. I suspect I'm not alone with that though.

Both a good points. I saw a head on once in Holland where the chap was catapulted over the roof and landed in a mess on the road. He jumped up and eventually walked himself into the ambulance.

But prof has a point where such clarity to swing into action is not guaranteed in the here & now. I personally don't think the video is long enough to give a good idea of who got involved and how.

[silverfoxcc]

308mate said:

Prof Prolapse said:

silverfoxcc said:

Well the preservation of life part of me says, at least put the fire out on him and get him a bit further away from the danger. No fecker even bothered to have a look at he poor bd and just watched the BBQ. Ok he was dead, BUT he may not have been,and might havce been saved from fatal burns, we have all seen those vids on here when you think thata a funeral job, and the bloke jumps up and is moving. just saying shame on everyone who did fk all, esp to the cretin who drove through it afterwards. Prize one IMHO

Just remember not everyone has that much presence of mind after witnessing that situation mate. You also don't know what they did after the end of the footage.

It's moot anyway. They're dead and amateur intervention is somewhat unlikely to have altered that fact. I think as mentioned above the only real useful response to this sort of thing is empathy for those left behind, and a reminder to be vigilant.

Sadly I find myself developing quite a thick skin to it these days. I suspect I'm not alone with that though.

Both a good points. I saw a head on once in Holland where the chap was catapulted over the roof and landed in a mess on the road. He jumped up and eventually walked himself into the ambulance.

But prof has a point where such clarity to swing into action is not guaranteed in the here & now. I personally don't think the video is long enough to give a good idea of who got involved and how.

Well the camera bike didnt exactly cover himself with glory.sat there for what 30 secs at least?
As i said preservation of life for me would have kicked in, and got that guy clear and the flames out. Then check for vital signs, but then again thats me, it isnt as if it were a burning building you were going into.

[Driver101]

That's horrific.

On Wednesday at 22.00 on ITV4 there is a programme called TT Blues.

It's all about the TT from the point of view of the police. The trailer involved a few bikes in ditches.

[popeyewhite]

silverfoxcc said:

As i said preservation of life for me would have kicked in, and got that guy clear and the flames out. Then check for vital signs, but then again thats me, it isnt as if it were a burning building you were going into.

The decent thing to do.

[Efbe]

silverfoxcc said:

Efbe said:

silverfoxcc said:

The thing that worries me is no one BUT no one, went to see if there was anything they could assist with. Why? If i hadnt been told it was IOM i would have said it was a so what an accident Russian tyoe vid where nobody gives a flying fk. Jeeez at least i would have been trying to put the fire out on the poor sod.

fire ball.

and do what?

Well the preservation of life part of me says, at least put the fire out on him and get him a bit further away from the danger. No fecker even bothered to have a look at he poor bd and just watched the BBQ. Ok he was dead, BUT he may not have been,and might havce been saved from fatal burns, we have all seen those vids on here when you think thata a funeral job, and the bloke jumps up and is moving. just saying shame on everyone who did fk all, esp to the cretin who drove through it afterwards. Prize one IMHO

from the camera's POV it was obviously a person. It is likely that from another it would not be so obvious.