Isle of Man Police release shocking video

[graham22]

Dr Jekyll said:

mel said:

Oh and a point of clarity the safest place at an accident scene is the other side of it, the best thing is to pass and then walk back, the most important thing is not to add to the casualty count.

Did the accident in question have an 'other' side?

The bloke probably didn't think either way.

He could have waited the side he was on but would have been in the 'lane' traffic was approaching from. By stopping after the accident, he was in the now obstructed lane.

However, emergency services may have been coming up the lane he stopped in, passing stationary traffic. Then again, whilst the accident happened closer to Ramsey, I guess the bulk of emergency services would have come from Douglas, but there's usually presence at Ramsey Hairpin.

As I said, he probably didn't think about all of this, just passed & stopped so he wasn't on the approaching side based on where he came from. He had a foreign plate too so I guess he was also looking for his mates, one who he may not have known to be directly involved in this.

[ilovequo]

308mate said:

As I was explaining to someone recently who hurt themselves and tried to lay the blame elsewhere, biking has absolute accountability. That's one of the reasons we do it, isn't it?

No, it doesn't and No, it isn't...

[creampuff]

The crash happened at 3m51s and everybody had stopped by 4m10s. I really don't know what more the armchair experts are expecting. There would have been a significant heat flux coming off that fire. Is anybody suggesting that they should have stopped right next to the fire, so they could have all got off their bikes by 4m07s instead?

[Drawweight]

If you have seen the accident and would be useful in giving a statement to the police then stop.

If you have First Aid skills or better still are a Paramedic then stop.

Otherwise you are doing no good by stopping and basically getting in the way of the emergency services. It's not going to do anybody's mental health any good to watch someone burn to death.

The emergency services have access to counselling for that very reason.

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Indeed.
Doesn't the pneumonic go "AVPU"
Alert
Voice-responsive.
Pain-responsive.
Unconscious.
That suggests someone can be unconscious yet not react to painful stimuli.

The lungs go AVPU??

Nope....you've lost me

[popeyewhite]

Crossflow Kid said:

Nope....you've lost me

pneumonic
adj.
1. Of, affecting, or relating to the lungs; pulmonary.
2. Relating to, affected by, or similar to pneumonia.

[snorky782]

popeyewhite said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Nope....you've lost me

pneumonic
adj.
1. Of, affecting, or relating to the lungs; pulmonary.
2. Relating to, affected by, or similar to pneumonia.

The word you were looking for is mnemonic, as used in my answer to your post

[Super Slo Mo]

Crossflow Kid said:

popeyewhite said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Indeed.
Doesn't the pneumonic go "AVPU"
Alert
Voice-responsive.
Pain-responsive.
Unconscious.
That suggests someone can be unconscious yet not react to painful stimuli.

The lungs go AVPU??

Nope....you've lost me

Really? He's referring to your mis-spelling of mnemonic. Pneumonic being something entirely different.

[DanSI]

Skip to 3:50 in the video, plus the accident only lasts seconds.
The rest of the Video is just family photos of the guy pulling various faces...

It's confirmed Lewis was the OTHER rider coming towards us, on the correct side of the road.
The German rider is the one we see speeding past other bikers on the wrong side, then impacting Lewis on the corner, also while overtaking on the wrong side.

Had this rider in question been riding on the correct side, this wouldnt have happened. No chit. lol.

Died due to the maniac decisions of this overtaking biker, what a way to lose your life! Full sympathy to you plus your family.

Edited by DanSI on Thursday 4th August 10:42

[anonymous-user]

snorky782 said:

popeyewhite said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Nope....you've lost me

pneumonic
adj.
1. Of, affecting, or relating to the lungs; pulmonary.
2. Relating to, affected by, or similar to pneumonia.

The word you were looking for is mnemonic, as used in my answer to your post

Gotta love autocorrect. fking Apple st.

[anonymous-user]

snorky782 said:

Crossflow Kid said:

janesmith1950 said:

snorky782 said:

I'm not a medical expert, but I do know that a person who is unconscious will not be unconscious very long if on fire. Fire hurts like hell and will bring people round quicker than anything you can think of, even some involuntary movements would be seen. They would not simply lie there whilst on fire.

I don't think you're a "Walt" (your words, not mine), but I think you are overestimating what is most likely to happen.

What makes you believe an unconscious person must come around due to the pain of being on fire?

Doesn't it rather depend on what has made them unconscious and how serious that injury is in the first place?

I'd be surprised if someone with a very serious or catastrophic head injury couldn't remain unconscious whilst being burned alive. Mind you, I'm no doctor.

Indeed.
Doesn't the pneumonic go "AVPU"
Alert
Voice-responsive.
Pain-responsive.
Unconscious.
That suggests someone can be unconscious yet not react to painful stimuli.

This discussion could run and run. However, as I clearly state "even some involuntary movements". It is nigh on impossible for someone to be on fire and have zero movement. Fire is worse than being hit by acid, no matter how out cold you are, your body will react to the pain of fire in that area.

You can discuss it all you like, but I defy anyone to really believe that someone who is unconscious is also so far gone as to not react to a secondary pain, that is probably the worst pain possible. The mnemonic is around a position after the incident has happened, with no further stimuli being applied.

So I finally got round to seeking some professional advice in the form of a paramedic....well, a paramedic clinical tutor to be exact.
If you're unconscious you're unconscious and that's that.
You can be on fire, have limbs missing, be impaled on something pointy, pinned down by a train, freezing cold or burning hot. It matters not. None of these will "bring you round" nor induce any kind of movement.

[Yazza54]

RIP, st luck

I'm sure anyone who's taken a bike to the IOM has witnessed similar riding, there's always bad riding all round, people leaving their brains on the ferry as well as a number of riders used to being on the other side of the road and forgetting they're not at home... Assuming this was practice week as it's not one way?