Aug 20 / 21 Biker Banter's Summer Track Bash at Snetterton!

Aug 20 / 21 Biker Banter's Summer Track Bash at Snetterton!

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Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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A 'special' fast group that costs extra money??.

Please don't tell me I'm right in thinking that this another of greedy Healeys get rich quick schemes??

hebegb

1,523 posts

146 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Fleegle said:
A 'special' fast group that costs extra money??.

Please don't tell me I'm right in thinking that this another of greedy Healeys get rich quick schemes??
Get that humungous dated chip off your shoulder for crying out loud ,Tony, or you'll have all the sad sack sheep jumping on your partcular band-waggon, the ones who haven't actually done a day with them ( or pretty much anyone else for that matter ) yet still spout venom as if they have any personal experience ,,,,,you know the sort I mean.....
eek

mitzy

13,857 posts

196 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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hebegb said:
mitzy said:
The last time I went to Snetterton as usual in the novice group there was a guy on a Repsol Honda with Repsol leathers going round Riches with his knee and elbow down.
There was no way on god's earth he was a novice and should have been moved.

It is a testosterone bloke thing.

I have to say I love Euro track trips now it is so much more chilled and people are more sensible with three days wizzing round....... and the all that Cava!!!
Did he look like this ,Lesley....think I,ve seen him around too......smile
He did , I did mutter in my helmet at the time "fk me its Marc Marquez" but it was good to watch and a very clean pass on fairly slow me .

roboR

199 posts

106 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Fleegle said:
A 'special' fast group that costs extra money??.

Please don't tell me I'm right in thinking that this another of greedy Healeys get rich quick schemes??
Not sure who Healeys is, this is in Jerez and an EU track day organiser. But yeah it does just seem to be about making extra money. It's something like limited to 15 or 20 places instead of 25/30 I think.

I'm frustrated as I was basically edging into inters times so my mates without telling me booked me into inters thinking that with a new much more track oriented bike (replaced my cbr600f with an R1) I'd get the extra few seconds so I wouldn't be sitting at the back of the inters class. But now there are some scarily fast guys booked into inters and I'm a bit nervous about it all to be honest. There's also people I know doing ~2.00 laps who have booked into Novice...



Edited by roboR on Monday 22 August 14:56


Edited by roboR on Monday 22 August 14:57

rat840771

2,023 posts

164 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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This is due to not being able to get into other groups, so they don't turn you away and stick you in novices.

I think i'm ready to move up a group, as like Fleegle my scary moments were when i was closing up on people at corners. Also had people carrying way to much speed and then stting it, squirming rear, one guy had is complete arse hanging off, Knee out at right angles and his knee was a clear 2 feet of the track. I wish i was recording that!


mitzy said:
The last time I went to Snetterton as usual in the novice group there was a guy on a Repsol Honda with Repsol leathers going round Riches with his knee and elbow down.
There was no way on god's earth he was a novice and should have been moved.

It is a testosterone bloke thing.

I have to say I love Euro track trips now it is so much more chilled and people are more sensible with three days wizzing round....... and the all that Cava!!!

Sebo

2,166 posts

225 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Inters was a mix of riding gods and moving roadblocks but thankfully Snett is pretty wide so plenty of room to pass - though coming to the end of the back straight and finding 6 or 7 bikes in a horizontal line tipping in was a bit sketchy.

Roll on the next TD.

Biker's Nemesis

38,534 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Seems to be a lot of moaning.

I have an idea, before you lot get on track you should all qualify for position in the 3 groups and then have transponders fitted so you can all be let out in the correct order of fastest first in your groups...

....fk it, have a race start to with maybe a little plastic cup for the first three too.

moanthebairns

17,918 posts

197 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Seems to be a lot of moaning.

I have an idea, before you lot get on track you should all qualify for position in the 3 groups and then have transponders fitted so you can all be let out in the correct order of fastest first in your groups...

....fk it, have a race start to with maybe a little plastic cup for the first three too.
You fking tell those English s

Tribal Chestnut

2,996 posts

181 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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rat840771 said:
Also had people carrying way to much speed and then stting it, squirming rear, one guy had is complete arse hanging off, Knee out at right angles and his knee was a clear 2 feet of the track. I wish i was recording that!
As someone completely inexperienced this confuses me - should I hang off/stick my knee out or not? If my pegs touch down I'm not far away from falling off, but can corner tighter with the bike more upright by hanging off the inside a bit more - so I probably look a bit more of a tt but have less chance of tumbling, which me make be look an even bigger tt. Therefore if I care about how I look on my bike, ie not crashing, I should hang off it a bit more.....

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Seems to be a lot of moaning.
It's not moaning John, purely an observation that unfortunately impacts on everyones enjoyment to a degree, Nonetheless, we still had a good time and good night out on Saturday. The place we started out at reminded me of the pub in 'American Werewolf In London'

moto_traxport

Original Poster:

4,235 posts

220 months

Monday 22nd August 2016
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Biker's Nemesis said:
Seems to be a lot of moaning.

I have an idea, before you lot get on track you should all qualify for position in the 3 groups and then have transponders fitted so you can all be let out in the correct order of fastest first in your groups...

....fk it, have a race start to with maybe a little plastic cup for the first three too.
No moaning from me. At the time I actually enjoyed the near misses, the beer and the curry. It's only the next day when you contemplate the numbers.

Not only am I comparing a UK trackday to a European one which is perhaps unfair, it was a UK one on a weekend which I'm assured by UK trackday regulars draws a different crowd again.

Plastic cup you say?? ........ Now there's a thought!

rat840771

2,023 posts

164 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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I am no expert either, i don't do any knee out action, or hang off and i'm just concentrating on smooth lines etc. To improve i think i should start to move around on the bike, but its just not normal for me, and one more process to concentrate on. Plus my leathers are a bit tight so struggle to stick my knee out.

There was guy there in the Novice group ( first time) and he was having 'one on one' with the NL guys and he was doing really well.


Tribal Chestnut said:
rat840771 said:
Also had people carrying way to much speed and then stting it, squirming rear, one guy had is complete arse hanging off, Knee out at right angles and his knee was a clear 2 feet of the track. I wish i was recording that!
As someone completely inexperienced this confuses me - should I hang off/stick my knee out or not? If my pegs touch down I'm not far away from falling off, but can corner tighter with the bike more upright by hanging off the inside a bit more - so I probably look a bit more of a tt but have less chance of tumbling, which me make be look an even bigger tt. Therefore if I care about how I look on my bike, ie not crashing, I should hang off it a bit more.....

Tribal Chestnut

2,996 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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rat840771 said:
I am no expert either, i don't do any knee out action, or hang off and i'm just concentrating on smooth lines etc. To improve i think i should start to move around on the bike, but its just not normal for me, and one more process to concentrate on. Plus my leathers are a bit tight so struggle to stick my knee out.

There was guy there in the Novice group ( first time) and he was having 'one on one' with the NL guys and he was doing really well.


Tribal Chestnut said:
rat840771 said:
Also had people carrying way to much speed and then stting it, squirming rear, one guy had is complete arse hanging off, Knee out at right angles and his knee was a clear 2 feet of the track. I wish i was recording that!
As someone completely inexperienced this confuses me - should I hang off/stick my knee out or not? If my pegs touch down I'm not far away from falling off, but can corner tighter with the bike more upright by hanging off the inside a bit more - so I probably look a bit more of a tt but have less chance of tumbling, which me make be look an even bigger tt. Therefore if I care about how I look on my bike, ie not crashing, I should hang off it a bit more.....
I need to completely rethink how I ride. Made some improvements yesterday, but stil scraping the pegs and many corners.

I've just booked another day at Bedford and one at Brands Hatch, so will have some opportunities to work on things.

Slippery slope. I'll be getting a van next.

rat840771

2,023 posts

164 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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If your scraping your pegs, then you doing well, right?

what bike is it, are the pegs quite low? I only manage to scrape my boots.


Tribal Chestnut

2,996 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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rat840771 said:
If your scraping your pegs, then you doing well, right?

what bike is it, are the pegs quite low? I only manage to scrape my boots.
It's an FZ1, spent some time with an instructor as I was concerned (amongst other things!) about the lack of clearance when cornering, hence looking to hang off a bit more.

I have a sports bike upon which I felt I'd be quicker, but it's not working at the mo.

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Tribal Chestnut said:
rat840771 said:
Also had people carrying way to much speed and then stting it, squirming rear, one guy had is complete arse hanging off, Knee out at right angles and his knee was a clear 2 feet of the track. I wish i was recording that!
As someone completely inexperienced this confuses me - should I hang off/stick my knee out or not? If my pegs touch down I'm not far away from falling off, but can corner tighter with the bike more upright by hanging off the inside a bit more - so I probably look a bit more of a tt but have less chance of tumbling, which me make be look an even bigger tt. Therefore if I care about how I look on my bike, ie not crashing, I should hang off it a bit more.....
Do what is best for you. I lean off, but not that much. But that's probably due to lots of fatness and not much fitness. You do need to move your arse over to the side a bit though to at least help get you round the corner.

Don't do what I saw a wrongly grouped fellow did on Saturday, he spent more time concentrating on hanging off the bike like a monkey than he did actually maintaining any cornering speed. He became the fastest looking slow person there!!

As for sticking your knee out, that depends on you and your tick box. I can get my knee down as often as I like, yet on a trackday it will only go down a few times. The main reason for the knee down is to gauge how far over you are and how much you've got left before physics take over.

L9 ACP

187 posts

193 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Some good points well made

I was only there saturday and the inters did have a very mixed bag and was probably a slower group of riders than i've been part of normally but some were verging on dangerously slow through some of the corners, as mentioned closing speeds on these when they are 2 or 3 abreast was interesting at times.

Transponders seems the obvious answer as it overrides any ego's out there but the organisers should also be taking a close look at who's in the groups. I think i saw more guys with tyre warmers and dedicated track bikes in novice than inters and when speaking to some of them they booked novice because inters was full and they were clearly well above the ability of the novice group.

Another great day though and can't wait to be back out there

I trust all on here had a good day(s) and no major spills or injuries?

Ash

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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L9 ACP said:
I trust all on here had a good day(s) and no major spills or injuries?
I scratched my hand helping Sebo fit his comedy headstock stand and probably spilled a quarter of a litre of fuel as my jerry can was too full.



moanthebairns

17,918 posts

197 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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Sounds like it was a good weekend I'm just jealous we haven't had a northern one this year.

Fleegle

16,688 posts

175 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2016
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moanthebairns said:
Sounds like it was a good weekend I'm just jealous we haven't had a northern one this year.
All in all, it was a good 'un. By the way....this was a Northern one!!

This appeared on facebook on Monday. The bloke who crashed claimed the chap on the naked bike was in the wrong group, going too slow, etc......pretty much what has been suggested in the posts above. Needless to say, he was shot down in flames as he didn't agree that he had suffered target fixation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWc0yngHA7I

Watch from about 10.40