RE: Tesla announces P100D upgrades

RE: Tesla announces P100D upgrades

Sunday 28th August 2016

Tesla announces P100D upgrades

Now the third fastest accelerating production car



It wasn't that long ago that Tesla announced 'Ludicrous mode' for the Model S, pushing it to 60mph in 2.8 seconds. Now, Tesla has announced the P100D upgrade for both the Model S and X. The 0-60mph times drop to 2.5 seconds for the Model S and 2.9 for the Model X, putting the Model S on par with the Porsche 918 Spyder.

2.9 seconds to 60mph. 2.9 seconds!
2.9 seconds to 60mph. 2.9 seconds!
The new 100 kWh battery increases range to 315 miles and 289 miles for the Model S and X respectively, making it the longest range production electric car. In the US prices start at $134,500 (UK prices are still to be announced) with access, of course, to the Supercharger network and free over the air updates.

Tesla has been marred with bad publicity recently, with multiple crashes and the death of a driver using the autonomous technology 'Autopilot'. Tesla is keen to explain why the P100D is so expensive too: "While the P100D Ludicrous is obviously an expensive vehicle, we want to emphasize that every sale helps pay for the smaller and much more affordable Tesla Model 3 that is in development. Without customers willing to buy the expensive Model S and X, we would be unable to fund the smaller, more affordable Model 3 development."

If you have recently put in an order for a P90D Model S or X, Tesla are offering the upgrade to the larger 100 kWh batteries for a $10,000 premium; current owners will need to fork out $20,000 as the 90 kWh batteries will be recycled.

In Elon Musk's 'master plan part two', Tesla will focus on solar components for vehicles as well as a shared fleet offering. This hasn't stopped the company from posting losses of over £200m in the second quarter of 2016 though and, since the announcement last night, Tesla shares stalled in the opening hours of trading. What next?

[Sources: City AM, Tesla]

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big_rob_sydney

Original Poster:

3,394 posts

193 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Interesting news, if true, is that a doubling of power density is on its way, thanks to the mad scientists at MIT.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-p...


Mark77a

24 posts

104 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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The future, now !..



'nuff said

Mike_C

984 posts

221 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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A few inaccuracies in that article, I believe. Based on the industry standard 0-62mph / 0-100km/h times:

- The Tesla Model S P100D-L is THE fastest accelerating production car available to buy today

- The Tesla Model S P100D-L is THE fastest accelerating saloon car ever

- The Tesla Model X P100D-L is THE fastest accelerating SUV ever

- The Model S P100D-L is the third fastest production car of all time, beaten only by the Porsche 918 Spyder and Ferrari LaFerrari, but notably beating both the Bugatti Veyron and McLaren P1.

Now, I wonder if they'll fit that battery pack to my P85+??

charliestyr

4 posts

138 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Deaths of a "few" drivers using autopilot? I was only aware of the one?

modeller

443 posts

165 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Tesla will be needing to supply G suits with their P cars soon

kambites

67,462 posts

220 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Fabulous things, but well beyond anything I'd ever spend on a car. Roll on the Model-3. smile

simonrockman

6,843 posts

254 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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big_rob_sydney said:
Interesting news, if true, is that a doubling of power density is on its way, thanks to the mad scientists at MIT.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-p...
There is a kind of Moores law with batteries. They double in power density every seven years. The regular stories of huge improvements always turn out to say that they are a long way off, and yes, they do happen but at a rate where it all evens out to slow progress.




Simon.

GranCab

2,902 posts

145 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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So what ???

Most "owners" will never use its capabilities - it still looks like a Mondeo that ate all the pies, with the added bonus of "slash your wrists" door handles.

KTF

9,788 posts

149 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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"While the P100D Ludicrous is obviously an expensive vehicle, we want to emphasize that every sale helps pay for the smaller and much more affordable Tesla Model 3 that is in development. Without customers willing to buy the expensive Model S and X, we would be unable to fund the smaller, more affordable Model 3 development."

I don't know if they should be applauded for their honesty or if buyers wont be pleased to know that they are subsidising the cheaper models.

kambites

67,462 posts

220 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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KTF said:
I don't know if they should be applauded for their honesty or if buyers wont be pleased to know that they are subsidising the cheaper models.
Surely anyone who goes out and buys an S65 knows full well that they're subsidising the development of diesel A-classes?

simonjrwinter

150 posts

257 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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"A few" How many? more than the one we've been told about? Sloppy journalism bordering on the slanderous. Be careful pistonheads.

Mike_C

984 posts

221 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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KTF said:
I don't know if they should be applauded for their honesty or if buyers wont be pleased to know that they are subsidising the cheaper models.
>100,000 Model S sold so far globally, and full order books for both Model S and Model X suggests people are quite happy to.

Lowtimer

4,286 posts

167 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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kambites said:
KTF said:
I don't know if they should be applauded for their honesty or if buyers wont be pleased to know that they are subsidising the cheaper models.
Surely anyone who goes out and buys an S65 knows full well that they're subsidising the development of diesel A-classes?
Sure, just as every 911 buyer knows they're subsidising a Cayman or Boxster

rottie102

3,993 posts

183 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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Lowtimer said:
Sure, just as every 911 buyer knows they're subsidising a Cayman or Boxster
Wasn't it the Cayenne that paid for 911s? smile

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

254 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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charliestyr said:
Deaths of a "few" drivers using autopilot? I was only aware of the one?
The article doesn't mention anything about a 'few' deaths, has it been edited?

NorthDave

2,355 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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I love what these guys are doing. All that performance for £100k! Outstanding work from a non traditional car maker.

If the driving profile fitted my needs (and I had the money to spend on a car) I would have one in a heart beat.

cocobongo

545 posts

123 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!

98elise

26,380 posts

160 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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cocobongo said:
What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!
Do articles mention how long a clutch will last if you do a few full bore standing starts in an ICE Car?


xRIEx

8,180 posts

147 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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simonrockman said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Interesting news, if true, is that a doubling of power density is on its way, thanks to the mad scientists at MIT.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-p...
There is a kind of Moores law with batteries. They double in power density every seven years. The regular stories of huge improvements always turn out to say that they are a long way off, and yes, they do happen but at a rate where it all evens out to slow progress.




Simon.
Energy density, rather than power density. The problems come about trying to safely manage lots of potential energy in a small volume - the more you pack in, the closer and closer it gets to becoming a bomb; Boeing found this out with the batteries causing fires on the 787. Lets face it, petrol and diesel aren't exactly 'safe', we've just become accustomed to the comparatively safe handling of them over the years.

OwenK

3,472 posts

194 months

Wednesday 24th August 2016
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cocobongo said:
What they always fail to mention is how the range is compromised by driving around at full bore (ludicrous mode) all the time. A petrol car may well gulp a load of fuel down with hard driving but a quick stop a petrol station and your off again for more fun. With the tesla you have to park up (after finding a charge point) and go for a long lunch or something before play continues!
How often do you actually drive around at 10/10ths for an entire tank of fuel? Probably a handful of times in your entire ownership, and that's for an enthusiast. Your average driver will do a few max runs and then spend the rest of the time trundling about at normal speeds. Electric cars have the advantage that they only use lots of juice when they're actually using the power - how many supercars are capable of this sort of speed but can also get 80mpg (equivalent)? None, because a combustion engine capable of that power is still inefficient even when not using the power.