RJ Almost got bikejacked
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i think the isssue is most people are law abiding spo bike gets nicked we take it on the chin even when the scrote that did it is easily identifiable on face book...but sooner or later someone who falls outside the 99% will get there bike nicked and go get it back in person. An we will have another scrote claiming they are a victim etc.
Reminds me of the IRA victim who was told to stop knicking cars till the knee capped him, 12 months later he was at it again so the nailed his hands to a style. He was in hospital saying what gave them the right etc, no though of maybe not nicking cars but maybe now his hands don't work it might make it a bit harder for him
Edit - His name was Harry Mcartan an the first punishment was not knee capping but ankles broken...since 2002 I cant find anything about him...maybe he learnt his lessonm
Reminds me of the IRA victim who was told to stop knicking cars till the knee capped him, 12 months later he was at it again so the nailed his hands to a style. He was in hospital saying what gave them the right etc, no though of maybe not nicking cars but maybe now his hands don't work it might make it a bit harder for him
Edit - His name was Harry Mcartan an the first punishment was not knee capping but ankles broken...since 2002 I cant find anything about him...maybe he learnt his lessonm
Edited by Gecko1978 on Sunday 15th January 17:41
catso said:
bogie said:
So instead our Police can do nothing to apprehend thieves on 2 wheels
Yet they (meaning Police, courts etc.) will pursue a speeding biker to the end of the world... bogie said:
catso said:
bogie said:
So instead our Police can do nothing to apprehend thieves on 2 wheels
Yet they (meaning Police, courts etc.) will pursue a speeding biker to the end of the world... Out on the motorways or out of town A roads it is fair game.
The majority of law abiding people, or have a certain set of morales, would stop for the police - wrong or not. The one's that "run" have no sympathy from me if something happens to them.. however, when it goes wrong and they plough into innocent people, then i can see where the lines of the law become very grey and blurry and the police are open to legal action i.e. the accident would not have happened if the police were not chasing that person.
BobSaunders said:
The one's that "run" have no sympathy from me if something happens to them.. however, when it goes wrong and they plough into innocent people, then i can see where the lines of the law become very grey and blurry and the police are open to legal action i.e. the accident would not have happened if the police were not chasing that person.
All the more reason to pursue them using other evidence, such as 'self-incrimination' on facebook - so why don't they? 
When the SAS were first deployed in Ulster, they sent a message to the PIRA: "Big boys games, big boys rules". In other words, the gloves were off, and no "halt or I shoot" warnings would be given.
The gloves need to come off with these thieves. Use their own weapon against them, ie, highly trained and motivated motorcycle cops, who will pursue until they can run the little scrotes off the road, at a place carefully chosen so as to inflict no injury to innocent bystanders. The message needs to be that if you choose to run from a representative of the police, then ANY injuries that you get as a result of that are entirely your own fault. Choose to run without a helmet? Another promising and popular young footballer/youtube blogger/facebook star/Big Brother contestant gets to make headlines.
Despite all the hand wringing from the politically correct Chief Constables and loony left politicos, and whatever the cop on the street might say in public, I am pretty certain that many good cops are spitting nails at the kid glove policies of their "superiors".
The public also need protection from prosecution if one of the wee s
ts get hurt when someone intervenes in an attempted or actual theft.
I am fed up at the crocodile tears shed by certain segments of society when one of these scum get hurt or killed. The brazen approach to bike theft, coupled with internet "celebrity", has steadily been escalating in line with the liberal approach to bike crime, and will only get worse unless a very strong and intolerant approach is taken.
Think on this: the public see a stolen bike being ridden at speed, they will only think that it's another of those nasty bikers, so tarring us all with the same brush.
The sad thing is that I know that none of this will happen. Our spineless politicians worry too much about the criminals and not the victims, and as the politicians are the people who make the laws, we're stuffed. Because of our spineless politicians, and of course the bike thieves, our insurance premiums go up every year to pay for the stolen bikes. Live in the wrong post code, and you can barely afford to insure a bike at all unless you're loaded. All down to bike theft. It costs all of us, even if our own bikes have not been stolen....yet.
The gloves need to come off with these thieves. Use their own weapon against them, ie, highly trained and motivated motorcycle cops, who will pursue until they can run the little scrotes off the road, at a place carefully chosen so as to inflict no injury to innocent bystanders. The message needs to be that if you choose to run from a representative of the police, then ANY injuries that you get as a result of that are entirely your own fault. Choose to run without a helmet? Another promising and popular young footballer/youtube blogger/facebook star/Big Brother contestant gets to make headlines.
Despite all the hand wringing from the politically correct Chief Constables and loony left politicos, and whatever the cop on the street might say in public, I am pretty certain that many good cops are spitting nails at the kid glove policies of their "superiors".
The public also need protection from prosecution if one of the wee s
ts get hurt when someone intervenes in an attempted or actual theft.I am fed up at the crocodile tears shed by certain segments of society when one of these scum get hurt or killed. The brazen approach to bike theft, coupled with internet "celebrity", has steadily been escalating in line with the liberal approach to bike crime, and will only get worse unless a very strong and intolerant approach is taken.
Think on this: the public see a stolen bike being ridden at speed, they will only think that it's another of those nasty bikers, so tarring us all with the same brush.
The sad thing is that I know that none of this will happen. Our spineless politicians worry too much about the criminals and not the victims, and as the politicians are the people who make the laws, we're stuffed. Because of our spineless politicians, and of course the bike thieves, our insurance premiums go up every year to pay for the stolen bikes. Live in the wrong post code, and you can barely afford to insure a bike at all unless you're loaded. All down to bike theft. It costs all of us, even if our own bikes have not been stolen....yet.
BobSaunders said:
Police stop pursuing in built up areas and high traffic spots - which London, and most inner-cities are.
Out on the motorways or out of town A roads it is fair game.
The majority of law abiding people, or have a certain set of morales, would stop for the police - wrong or not. The one's that "run" have no sympathy from me if something happens to them.. however, when it goes wrong and they plough into innocent people, then i can see where the lines of the law become very grey and blurry and the police are open to legal action i.e. the accident would not have happened if the police were not chasing that person.
Innocent people don't need to be hurt for it to be a career ending or 5 years of stressful inquiries for an individual police officer. The criminal on a stolen bike being chased could crash into an empty bus stop and kill or paralyse only themselves and the perusing police would still be in for an extended period of misery. Out on the motorways or out of town A roads it is fair game.
The majority of law abiding people, or have a certain set of morales, would stop for the police - wrong or not. The one's that "run" have no sympathy from me if something happens to them.. however, when it goes wrong and they plough into innocent people, then i can see where the lines of the law become very grey and blurry and the police are open to legal action i.e. the accident would not have happened if the police were not chasing that person.
That's the environment police work in. That's why riff raff can go brazenly stealing bikes with impunity
creampuff said:
That's the environment police work in. That's why riff raff can go brazenly stealing bikes with impunity
makes me seethe! At the risk of going off topic, will Brexit have any influence on this type of muddled thinking/way of doing things?? The 'system' seems so loaded in the wrong direction at the moment.Mad Jock said:
When the SAS were first deployed in Ulster, they sent a message to the PIRA: "Big boys games, big boys rules". In other words, the gloves were off, and no "halt or I shoot" warnings would be given.
The gloves need to come off with these thieves. Use their own weapon against them, ie, highly trained and motivated motorcycle cops, who will pursue until they can run the little scrotes off the road, at a place carefully chosen so as to inflict no injury to innocent bystanders. The message needs to be that if you choose to run from a representative of the police, then ANY injuries that you get as a result of that are entirely your own fault. Choose to run without a helmet? Another promising and popular young footballer/youtube blogger/facebook star/Big Brother contestant gets to make headlines.
Despite all the hand wringing from the politically correct Chief Constables and loony left politicos, and whatever the cop on the street might say in public, I am pretty certain that many good cops are spitting nails at the kid glove policies of their "superiors".
The public also need protection from prosecution if one of the wee sts get hurt when someone intervenes in an attempted or actual theft.
I am fed up at the crocodile tears shed by certain segments of society when one of these scum get hurt or killed. The brazen approach to bike theft, coupled with internet "celebrity", has steadily been escalating in line with the liberal approach to bike crime, and will only get worse unless a very strong and intolerant approach is taken.
Think on this: the public see a stolen bike being ridden at speed, they will only think that it's another of those nasty bikers, so tarring us all with the same brush.
The sad thing is that I know that none of this will happen. Our spineless politicians worry too much about the criminals and not the victims, and as the politicians are the people who make the laws, we're stuffed. Because of our spineless politicians, and of course the bike thieves, our insurance premiums go up every year to pay for the stolen bikes. Live in the wrong post code, and you can barely afford to insure a bike at all unless you're loaded. All down to bike theft. It costs all of us, even if our own bikes have not been stolen....yet.
I couldn't put a single word of that any better. And share those rather depressing thoughts entirely.The gloves need to come off with these thieves. Use their own weapon against them, ie, highly trained and motivated motorcycle cops, who will pursue until they can run the little scrotes off the road, at a place carefully chosen so as to inflict no injury to innocent bystanders. The message needs to be that if you choose to run from a representative of the police, then ANY injuries that you get as a result of that are entirely your own fault. Choose to run without a helmet? Another promising and popular young footballer/youtube blogger/facebook star/Big Brother contestant gets to make headlines.
Despite all the hand wringing from the politically correct Chief Constables and loony left politicos, and whatever the cop on the street might say in public, I am pretty certain that many good cops are spitting nails at the kid glove policies of their "superiors".
The public also need protection from prosecution if one of the wee s
ts get hurt when someone intervenes in an attempted or actual theft.I am fed up at the crocodile tears shed by certain segments of society when one of these scum get hurt or killed. The brazen approach to bike theft, coupled with internet "celebrity", has steadily been escalating in line with the liberal approach to bike crime, and will only get worse unless a very strong and intolerant approach is taken.
Think on this: the public see a stolen bike being ridden at speed, they will only think that it's another of those nasty bikers, so tarring us all with the same brush.
The sad thing is that I know that none of this will happen. Our spineless politicians worry too much about the criminals and not the victims, and as the politicians are the people who make the laws, we're stuffed. Because of our spineless politicians, and of course the bike thieves, our insurance premiums go up every year to pay for the stolen bikes. Live in the wrong post code, and you can barely afford to insure a bike at all unless you're loaded. All down to bike theft. It costs all of us, even if our own bikes have not been stolen....yet.
CAPP0 said:
Mad Jock said:
When the SAS were first deployed in Ulster, they sent a message to the PIRA: "Big boys games, big boys rules". In other words, the gloves were off, and no "halt or I shoot" warnings would be given.
The gloves need to come off with these thieves. Use their own weapon against them, ie, highly trained and motivated motorcycle cops, who will pursue until they can run the little scrotes off the road, at a place carefully chosen so as to inflict no injury to innocent bystanders. The message needs to be that if you choose to run from a representative of the police, then ANY injuries that you get as a result of that are entirely your own fault. Choose to run without a helmet? Another promising and popular young footballer/youtube blogger/facebook star/Big Brother contestant gets to make headlines.
Despite all the hand wringing from the politically correct Chief Constables and loony left politicos, and whatever the cop on the street might say in public, I am pretty certain that many good cops are spitting nails at the kid glove policies of their "superiors".
The public also need protection from prosecution if one of the wee sts get hurt when someone intervenes in an attempted or actual theft.
I am fed up at the crocodile tears shed by certain segments of society when one of these scum get hurt or killed. The brazen approach to bike theft, coupled with internet "celebrity", has steadily been escalating in line with the liberal approach to bike crime, and will only get worse unless a very strong and intolerant approach is taken.
Think on this: the public see a stolen bike being ridden at speed, they will only think that it's another of those nasty bikers, so tarring us all with the same brush.
The sad thing is that I know that none of this will happen. Our spineless politicians worry too much about the criminals and not the victims, and as the politicians are the people who make the laws, we're stuffed. Because of our spineless politicians, and of course the bike thieves, our insurance premiums go up every year to pay for the stolen bikes. Live in the wrong post code, and you can barely afford to insure a bike at all unless you're loaded. All down to bike theft. It costs all of us, even if our own bikes have not been stolen....yet.
I couldn't put a single word of that any better. And share those rather depressing thoughts entirely.The gloves need to come off with these thieves. Use their own weapon against them, ie, highly trained and motivated motorcycle cops, who will pursue until they can run the little scrotes off the road, at a place carefully chosen so as to inflict no injury to innocent bystanders. The message needs to be that if you choose to run from a representative of the police, then ANY injuries that you get as a result of that are entirely your own fault. Choose to run without a helmet? Another promising and popular young footballer/youtube blogger/facebook star/Big Brother contestant gets to make headlines.
Despite all the hand wringing from the politically correct Chief Constables and loony left politicos, and whatever the cop on the street might say in public, I am pretty certain that many good cops are spitting nails at the kid glove policies of their "superiors".
The public also need protection from prosecution if one of the wee s
ts get hurt when someone intervenes in an attempted or actual theft.I am fed up at the crocodile tears shed by certain segments of society when one of these scum get hurt or killed. The brazen approach to bike theft, coupled with internet "celebrity", has steadily been escalating in line with the liberal approach to bike crime, and will only get worse unless a very strong and intolerant approach is taken.
Think on this: the public see a stolen bike being ridden at speed, they will only think that it's another of those nasty bikers, so tarring us all with the same brush.
The sad thing is that I know that none of this will happen. Our spineless politicians worry too much about the criminals and not the victims, and as the politicians are the people who make the laws, we're stuffed. Because of our spineless politicians, and of course the bike thieves, our insurance premiums go up every year to pay for the stolen bikes. Live in the wrong post code, and you can barely afford to insure a bike at all unless you're loaded. All down to bike theft. It costs all of us, even if our own bikes have not been stolen....yet.
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
black-k1 said:
Thank god the SAS, Police or any other government agency never make a single mistake and never target an innocent person!
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
If someone rides in excess of the speed limit, with no helmet and no number plate, they've ceased to be innocent even if they DO own the bike and are otherwise legal! If you can't do the time in a persistent vegetative state after you've binned it being chased, don't do the bike theft crime...For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
CAPP0 said:
black-k1 said:
Thank god the SAS, Police or any other government agency never make a single mistake and never target an innocent person!
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
If someone rides in excess of the speed limit, with no helmet and no number plate, they've ceased to be innocent even if they DO own the bike and are otherwise legal! If you can't do the time in a persistent vegetative state after you've binned it being chased, don't do the bike theft crime...For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
It could be someone with a mental illness who actually needs to get sectioned, not run off the road.
I want the scrotes prosecuted and locked up as much as anyone on here but I want it done properly. I don’t want to make any agency, police, SAS or any other, judge, jury and executioner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formula...
black-k1 said:
Thank god the SAS, Police or any other government agency never make a single mistake and never target an innocent person!
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
Law enforcement in the UK is a complete mess. I can't think of any other developed country, including the United States, where you can brazenly steal a high value item and nothing will be done about it. I also can't think of anywhere else where the avoidance of falling victim to crime is so high on everyone's mind. As I've previously posted, I have relos in a Los Angeles 'burb who leave their backdoor unlocked. For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
There is no f
king other developed country on the planet where you can chain up a bike in a well trafficked public place with a 16mm chain and still not be sure if it will be there when you get back. I'll take the overseas model where the police have not been turned into pussies. Edited by creampuff on Monday 16th January 12:46
black-k1 said:
You need to find out why they’re riding like that. It could be the innocent 3rd party who’s bike was just about to be stolen who jumped on it and road away from the thieves while being threatened with all sorts of violence by them.
Maybe I'm naive, but if that were the case, surely the owner would ride a block or two, with BiB in pursuit, just far enough away from the scrotes, then stop and explain what had happened? They wouldn't ride in a more and more reckless manner until they binned it?creampuff said:
black-k1 said:
Thank god the SAS, Police or any other government agency never make a single mistake and never target an innocent person!
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
Law enforcement in the UK is a complete mess. I can't think of any other developed country, including the United States, where you can brazenly steal a high value item and nothing will be done about it. I also can't think of anywhere else where the avoidance of falling victim to crime is so high on everyone's mind. As I've previously posted, I have relos in a Los Angeles 'burb who leave their backdoor unlocked. For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
I’m sure there are similar issues in other developed countries as they all have crime and criminals.
I think security, and feeling secure are two very different things. We in the UK are not very good at the feeling secure bit.
CAPP0 said:
black-k1 said:
You need to find out why they’re riding like that. It could be the innocent 3rd party who’s bike was just about to be stolen who jumped on it and road away from the thieves while being threatened with all sorts of violence by them.
Maybe I'm naive, but if that were the case, surely the owner would ride a block or two, with BiB in pursuit, just far enough away from the scrotes, then stop and explain what had happened? They wouldn't ride in a more and more reckless manner until they binned it?black-k1 said:
Thank god the SAS, Police or any other government agency never make a single mistake and never target an innocent person!
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
The point is that there are two different standards applied when it comes to vehicle crime. In a car chase, sometimes at very high speeds on motorways, the pursuit will continue, with more and more police cars (pursuit trained, of course) joining in for a TPAC. Yes, in built up areas, where the public might be vulnerable, a judgement call is made, but it has to get pretty extreme for that to happen. Let's not forget that the police will use their cars to shove another car off the road when conditions are right and the circumstances require it. Who's "mistake" is it when they reach the upside down and bent car to find a young child in the back seat? For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
If it's a bike chase, a different standard applies, and it seem to be aimed more at protecting the criminal from hurting themselves, and the chase is called off far earlier. The only time we see a bike chase at very high speed is when an unmarked bike chases down a speeder who is a)unaware that he is being chased and b) will pull over as soon as he realises that he is. Guilty of moronic riding maybe, but has the sense to pull over when asked to do so.
If the police were worried that they "might make a single mistake", then they wouldn't chase anyone at all, and the criminals will have a free-for-all. Car theft would escalate exponentially until the politicians were put under pressure by the voters. Therein lies the problem - we, as bikers, make up a small proportion if both road users and voters, probably to the point where statistically we don't count.
I know very well that the police have a very difficult job to do, and morally they are facing what is essentially a "human shield" tactic by the criminals. They know now that if they remove their helmets, they won't be chased. That if they drive or ride with no consideration for themselves or the public, a chase will be called off.
My views on that are that if the police will chase an armed criminal and potentially shoot him, then personally I would consider a fleeing criminal as armed with a lethal weapon (the vehicle itself), and the same standards should apply. Slightly to the right of Ghengis Kahn, I know, and I'm not suggesting shooting the thieves, but force should be automatically applied if they won't stop. If it ends up being lethal, so be it.
We train police dogs at huge expense, then keep them on a leash. Why ask the criminals to stop "or I'll let the dog go"? Let the dog go anyway.
Biker 1 said:
makes me seethe! At the risk of going off topic, will Brexit have any influence on this type of muddled thinking/way of doing things?? The 'system' seems so loaded in the wrong direction at the moment.
Yeah totally... were just going to wind the clock back to 1945. King Arthur is going to return and the Daily Mail are going to take over the BBC.Its going to be awesome.
Mad Jock said:
When the SAS were first deployed in Ulster, they sent a message to the PIRA: "Big boys games, big boys rules". In other words, the gloves were off, and no "halt or I shoot" warnings would be given.
Yeah that went down really well. The troubles just stopped after that. creampuff said:
black-k1 said:
Thank god the SAS, Police or any other government agency never make a single mistake and never target an innocent person!
For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
Law enforcement in the UK is a complete mess. I can't think of any other developed country, including the United States, where you can brazenly steal a high value item and nothing will be done about it. I also can't think of anywhere else where the avoidance of falling victim to crime is so high on everyone's mind. As I've previously posted, I have relos in a Los Angeles 'burb who leave their backdoor unlocked. For every complex problem, there's a simple, obvious and wrong answer!
There is no f
king other developed country on the planet where you can chain up a bike in a well trafficked public place with a 16mm chain and still not be sure if it will be there when you get back. I'll take the overseas model where the police have not been turned into pussies. Edited by creampuff on Monday 16th January 12:46
LOL... Are you having a f
king bubble?! Are you comparing the murderous fking LA Police to our UK Police force? In some weird bent that some LA suburban can leave their backyard unlocked? Here's the news.. we can too here. We just use our locks... when we remember. I am not one to defend the UK Police as I am not a big fan but you are taking the piss. Compared to the US our lads are freaking amazing!
Crime reduction isn't related to how much f
king lethal force is applied otherwise Brazil and South Africa would be utopian.Many major metropolitan cities have crime. Find a densely populated metropolitan city and you'll find crime. We have a crime wave recently the last few years and the law and crime prevention initiatives are not dealing with it.
We don't just have a problem with our Police. We have a criminal sentencing issue and we have a overall societal issue.
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