RJ Almost got bikejacked
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Prof Prolapse said:
Think about this for a moment.
You come up to their house, and insult them, maybe get them on their own. Their pride is wounded, and most of these little irks have nothing else. So you then have this man with nothing to lose, you've just given him something to prove, with no fear of retribution from the police, and he already knows where you live.
The way you suggest only way this works if they're very timid (typically these sort aren't), or you put the fear of god into them. For the latter you risk a lengthy prison term, and see the end of any professional career you've built up. If you have a family, and mortgage, you should also ask yourself some serious questions about who would look after them if you even went away for "just" a few months.
There comes a point where you just have to accept you can't punish them as you see fit. They're not getting away with anything, they live s
tty meaningless existences, they're vermin and they know it. That's why they behave as they do. You on the other hand have just had to stump up for insurance premiums, and enjoy a life these s will never have, so perhaps it's wise not to gamble with it, chasing pride.
Captain Ahab had a lot to teach us.
Good post. You come up to their house, and insult them, maybe get them on their own. Their pride is wounded, and most of these little irks have nothing else. So you then have this man with nothing to lose, you've just given him something to prove, with no fear of retribution from the police, and he already knows where you live.
The way you suggest only way this works if they're very timid (typically these sort aren't), or you put the fear of god into them. For the latter you risk a lengthy prison term, and see the end of any professional career you've built up. If you have a family, and mortgage, you should also ask yourself some serious questions about who would look after them if you even went away for "just" a few months.
There comes a point where you just have to accept you can't punish them as you see fit. They're not getting away with anything, they live s
tty meaningless existences, they're vermin and they know it. That's why they behave as they do. You on the other hand have just had to stump up for insurance premiums, and enjoy a life these s will never have, so perhaps it's wise not to gamble with it, chasing pride.Captain Ahab had a lot to teach us.
black-k1 said:
stitched said:
Or you could try the approach used in the 'sticks'
When my not often used push bike was stolen off my mums drive then I started asking questions, 3 years later I got the name and location of the thief.
We had words and he moved away from the area.
His parents came round to remonstrate and were told that he had got off lightly, my stepdad would have physically punished him. I merely told his peers that he was an untrustworthy thieving.
If you really want to find out who has stolen your stuff then you will.
Really?When my not often used push bike was stolen off my mums drive then I started asking questions, 3 years later I got the name and location of the thief.
We had words and he moved away from the area.
His parents came round to remonstrate and were told that he had got off lightly, my stepdad would have physically punished him. I merely told his peers that he was an untrustworthy thieving
.If you really want to find out who has stolen your stuff then you will.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-378858...
Moulder said:
This part is reassuring...
"The Met said it was using an "Achilles Heel" style approach - a tactic used to catch gangster Al Capone - to stop repeat offenders who can not be prosecuted for crimes for which they are suspected. It means they are being pursued for less serious crimes, including having no insurance, no licence or other driving offences."
Four SP30s and they'll be off our streets for 12 months.
"The Met said it was using an "Achilles Heel" style approach - a tactic used to catch gangster Al Capone - to stop repeat offenders who can not be prosecuted for crimes for which they are suspected. It means they are being pursued for less serious crimes, including having no insurance, no licence or other driving offences."
Four SP30s and they'll be off our streets for 12 months.
ashleyman said:
I do wonder what would happen if the UK gov got some auditors in to find ways of saving money like they do in falling corporate companies. What would be their take on the situation and what would be cut and what would stay.
They would conclude that as the Police aren't chasing them and very few people are being injured, there is virtually no drain on the public purse by doing absolutely nothing about it. You and I bear the costs through our insurance companies. No incentive at all to fix it. As has been mentioned. A few sting operations and a nice kicking while being nicked would go a long way.
Maybe 5 sting operations a year and a merciless arrest (we know the police can do that) would deter.
Kicking a few of these guys off their bikes or scoots by an undercover copper. The uniforms come and arrest would help.
Public naming and shaming in a few papers.
Job done.
Maybe 5 sting operations a year and a merciless arrest (we know the police can do that) would deter.
Kicking a few of these guys off their bikes or scoots by an undercover copper. The uniforms come and arrest would help.
Public naming and shaming in a few papers.
Job done.
Renn Sport said:
stitched said:
Or you could try the approach used in the 'sticks'
When my not often used push bike was stolen off my mums drive then I started asking questions, 3 years later I got the name and location of the thief.
We had words and he moved away from the area.
His parents came round to remonstrate and were told that he had got off lightly, my stepdad would have physically punished him. I merely told his peers that he was an untrustworthy thieving mangina.
If you really want to find out who has stolen your stuff then you will.
Are you CASTROSES! When my not often used push bike was stolen off my mums drive then I started asking questions, 3 years later I got the name and location of the thief.
We had words and he moved away from the area.
His parents came round to remonstrate and were told that he had got off lightly, my stepdad would have physically punished him. I merely told his peers that he was an untrustworthy thieving mangina.
If you really want to find out who has stolen your stuff then you will.
308mate said:
Moulder said:
This part is reassuring...
"The Met said it was using an "Achilles Heel" style approach - a tactic used to catch gangster Al Capone - to stop repeat offenders who can not be prosecuted for crimes for which they are suspected. It means they are being pursued for less serious crimes, including having no insurance, no licence or other driving offences."
Four SP30s and they'll be off our streets for 12 months.
Really? These are people that only ride without plates, grind locks off to nick bikes in central London in daylight and you're encouraged because the man in the wig is going to tell them he doesn't think they should ride for a year, despite knowing it is virtually unenforceable? Wake up. "The Met said it was using an "Achilles Heel" style approach - a tactic used to catch gangster Al Capone - to stop repeat offenders who can not be prosecuted for crimes for which they are suspected. It means they are being pursued for less serious crimes, including having no insurance, no licence or other driving offences."
Four SP30s and they'll be off our streets for 12 months.
We can give the justice system a chance to work as it applies to the rest of us. Nobody is all bad and maybe if we treat the people doing this as human beings, when both right and wrong, they will start to behave more like us and see that their current behaviour is totally misaligned with what the rest of use see as acceptable. Clearly the current approach is not working, and whilst it is all very well demanding heavy sentencing will this really achieve anything in the long run? Probably not, with them just likely to reoffend upon release. If however we bring them inside the fold of society, which likely due to upbringing is something they have never experienced, then maybe we would get more positive results. I take it from your reply you would not be interested in joining me in a leaflet campaign, or perhaps a lunch and learn?
And the other choice? Maybe "wake up" and re-read what I wrote which is obviously not intended to be taken seriously (as nobody else has), and accept I am more aligned with the battery disc cutter being used to take off a couple of fingers each time they are caught.
Moulder said:
If however we bring them inside the fold of society, which likely due to upbringing is something they have never experienced, then maybe we would get more positive results.
Personally I would be more than happy if/when they nick the 'wrong' persons bike and they get nailed to a door...CoolHands said:
met said:
A teenage boy charged following a robbery at a Westminster jeweller’s has been remanded in custody.
The 16-year-old boy appeared at Wimbledon Youth Court on Friday, 27 January charged with
conspiracy to rob following a robbery at Suttons & Robertsons jewellery store on Victoria Street, SW1E, on Thursday, 26 January.
He was remanded in custody to appear at Wimbledon Youth Court on Tuesday, 31 January.
I'm going to see if I can keep track of it. Bet he gets, what, 9 months in a young offenders? + I bet no insurance, no licence, stolen scooter etc are all not punished.The 16-year-old boy appeared at Wimbledon Youth Court on Friday, 27 January charged with
conspiracy to rob following a robbery at Suttons & Robertsons jewellery store on Victoria Street, SW1E, on Thursday, 26 January.
He was remanded in custody to appear at Wimbledon Youth Court on Tuesday, 31 January.
Met said:
The 16-year-old boy appeared at Wimbledon Youth Court on Tuesday, 31 January charged with attempted robbery, possession of an offensive weapon, driving whilst disqualified and using a vehicle on the road without third party insurance.
He pleaded guilty to all the offences and was remanded in custody to appear at Camberwell Green Youth Court on Wednesday, 22 February.
http://news.met.police.uk/news/teenager-pleads-guilty-to-failed-smash-and-grab-offences-217096He pleaded guilty to all the offences and was remanded in custody to appear at Camberwell Green Youth Court on Wednesday, 22 February.
boxxob said:
stitched said:
Or you could try the approach used in the 'sticks'
When my not often used push bike was stolen off my mums drive then I started asking questions, 3 years later I got the name and location of the thief.
We had words and he moved away from the area.
His parents came round to remonstrate and were told that he had got off lightly, my stepdad would have physically punished him. I merely told his peers that he was an untrustworthy thieving.
If you really want to find out who has stolen your stuff then you will.
this sounds like a path to vigilante/mod rule that could be based on nothing other than gossip and hearsay, rather that evidence. It's ok, if you have proof and have removed all reasonable doubt.When my not often used push bike was stolen off my mums drive then I started asking questions, 3 years later I got the name and location of the thief.
We had words and he moved away from the area.
His parents came round to remonstrate and were told that he had got off lightly, my stepdad would have physically punished him. I merely told his peers that he was an untrustworthy thieving
.If you really want to find out who has stolen your stuff then you will.
Moulder said:
308mate said:
Moulder said:
This part is reassuring...
"The Met said it was using an "Achilles Heel" style approach - a tactic used to catch gangster Al Capone - to stop repeat offenders who can not be prosecuted for crimes for which they are suspected. It means they are being pursued for less serious crimes, including having no insurance, no licence or other driving offences."
Four SP30s and they'll be off our streets for 12 months.
Really? These are people that only ride without plates, grind locks off to nick bikes in central London in daylight and you're encouraged because the man in the wig is going to tell them he doesn't think they should ride for a year, despite knowing it is virtually unenforceable? Wake up. "The Met said it was using an "Achilles Heel" style approach - a tactic used to catch gangster Al Capone - to stop repeat offenders who can not be prosecuted for crimes for which they are suspected. It means they are being pursued for less serious crimes, including having no insurance, no licence or other driving offences."
Four SP30s and they'll be off our streets for 12 months.
We can give the justice system a chance to work as it applies to the rest of us. Nobody is all bad and maybe if we treat the people doing this as human beings, when both right and wrong, they will start to behave more like us and see that their current behaviour is totally misaligned with what the rest of use see as acceptable. Clearly the current approach is not working, and whilst it is all very well demanding heavy sentencing will this really achieve anything in the long run? Probably not, with them just likely to reoffend upon release. If however we bring them inside the fold of society, which likely due to upbringing is something they have never experienced, then maybe we would get more positive results. I take it from your reply you would not be interested in joining me in a leaflet campaign, or perhaps a lunch and learn?
And the other choice? Maybe "wake up" and re-read what I wrote which is obviously not intended to be taken seriously (as nobody else has), and accept I am more aligned with the battery disc cutter being used to take off a couple of fingers each time they are caught.
Oh.
I liked the part about the lunch & learn.
Just had an attempted theft at home.
2 lads came in on 2 bikes, scoped out the car park. Then returned on one bike and attempted to steal a white Vespa. They didn't bargain on a very angry man shouting at them and they soon bolted. Or as the Policeman said when viewing the footage 'he shat himself there'
Police have been out, looked at the video footage I was filming whilst yelling at them and explained what was going on locally to me. The registration I got was from a stolen bike they got yesterday which they unfortunately dumped soon after leaving ours. But they did manage to steal another bike in between them visiting us and the Police arriving 30 minutes later. He said the scrotes had been having fun ripping wheelies and going through red lights on the stolen bikes yesterday up and down the A217 and there was nothing the Police could do as it was deemed to dangerous to pursue.
If you're in the Sutton, Banstead, Epsom and Cheam areas, LOCK YOUR BIKES AWAY.
Not sure if I should post the footage or not. Got told not to delete it.
2 lads came in on 2 bikes, scoped out the car park. Then returned on one bike and attempted to steal a white Vespa. They didn't bargain on a very angry man shouting at them and they soon bolted. Or as the Policeman said when viewing the footage 'he shat himself there'
Police have been out, looked at the video footage I was filming whilst yelling at them and explained what was going on locally to me. The registration I got was from a stolen bike they got yesterday which they unfortunately dumped soon after leaving ours. But they did manage to steal another bike in between them visiting us and the Police arriving 30 minutes later. He said the scrotes had been having fun ripping wheelies and going through red lights on the stolen bikes yesterday up and down the A217 and there was nothing the Police could do as it was deemed to dangerous to pursue.
If you're in the Sutton, Banstead, Epsom and Cheam areas, LOCK YOUR BIKES AWAY.
Not sure if I should post the footage or not. Got told not to delete it.
ashleyman said:
Just had an attempted theft at home.
2 lads came in on 2 bikes, scoped out the car park. Then returned on one bike and attempted to steal a white Vespa. They didn't bargain on a very angry man shouting at them and they soon bolted. Or as the Policeman said when viewing the footage 'he shat himself there'
Police have been out, looked at the video footage I was filming whilst yelling at them and explained what was going on locally to me. The registration I got was from a stolen bike they got yesterday which they unfortunately dumped soon after leaving ours. But they did manage to steal another bike in between them visiting us and the Police arriving 30 minutes later. He said the scrotes had been having fun ripping wheelies and going through red lights on the stolen bikes yesterday up and down the A217 and there was nothing the Police could do as it was deemed to dangerous to pursue.
If you're in the Sutton, Banstead, Epsom and Cheam areas, LOCK YOUR BIKES AWAY.
Not sure if I should post the footage or not. Got told not to delete it.
You have great restraint... I think I would have caused a situation where I needed to defend myself... vigourously.2 lads came in on 2 bikes, scoped out the car park. Then returned on one bike and attempted to steal a white Vespa. They didn't bargain on a very angry man shouting at them and they soon bolted. Or as the Policeman said when viewing the footage 'he shat himself there'
Police have been out, looked at the video footage I was filming whilst yelling at them and explained what was going on locally to me. The registration I got was from a stolen bike they got yesterday which they unfortunately dumped soon after leaving ours. But they did manage to steal another bike in between them visiting us and the Police arriving 30 minutes later. He said the scrotes had been having fun ripping wheelies and going through red lights on the stolen bikes yesterday up and down the A217 and there was nothing the Police could do as it was deemed to dangerous to pursue.
If you're in the Sutton, Banstead, Epsom and Cheam areas, LOCK YOUR BIKES AWAY.
Not sure if I should post the footage or not. Got told not to delete it.
Post it up - what are they going to do, sue you for defamation?
Glad they didn't get it, but experience tells me, they'll be back.
Unfortunately thousands of bikers don't really lock up their bikes with anything difficult, so I can't see it ending really. All you can do is make sure they take someone else's not your own.
You could upload the video with a not public link I suppose so we get to see it but not the whole world.
You could upload the video with a not public link I suppose so we get to see it but not the whole world.
3DP said:
You have great restraint... I think I would have caused a situation where I needed to defend myself... vigourously.
Post it up - what are they going to do, sue you for defamation?
Glad they didn't get it, but experience tells me, they'll be back.
Unfortunately I wasn't appropriately dressed to go out there and smash skulls so I just stood at the window, filmed and then scared the sPost it up - what are they going to do, sue you for defamation?
Glad they didn't get it, but experience tells me, they'll be back.
t out of them and probably woke up half of the neighbourhood. Just made a split decision to yell at them as there's no way the Police would have arrived in time, no way I'd have been dressed and downstairs in time and there was no way I was just going to idly watch.Usually I ignore the sound of mopeds during the day because of my neighbour coming and going on his - it was only because my wife was off work sick and happened to be looking out the window the first time they came into the car park popping wheelies that I was alert to it.
I'm sure they will be back for the Vespa unless we can get the bike moved. I warned my other neighbour who has a high powered scooter (wasn't here at the time) and he's hidden it from view this evening and we've chained it up properly. It's not going anywhere without an angle grinder and a lot of noise.
The Police just said if they come back let us know. If I can give them a body I will - there's already a metal bat by the front door just in case.
Here's the video: https://youtu.be/Pg4oyYsGoo0 (volume warning)
Edited by ashleyman on Monday 20th February 23:46
^ good work that man for scaring them off.
As an aside, I live in SW London and my bike insurance looks set to go up from £900 a month £2000+. I asked Bennetts why and they cited the huge rise in bike theft in London. I may have to sell the bike until I can move out of London later in the year. bds.
As an aside, I live in SW London and my bike insurance looks set to go up from £900 a month £2000+. I asked Bennetts why and they cited the huge rise in bike theft in London. I may have to sell the bike until I can move out of London later in the year. b
ds.TimmyWimmyWoo said:
^ good work that man for scaring them off.
As an aside, I live in SW London and my bike insurance looks set to go up from £900 a month £2000+. I asked Bennetts why and they cited the huge rise in bike theft in London. I may have to sell the bike until I can move out of London later in the year. bds.
£2000 per month!! As an aside, I live in SW London and my bike insurance looks set to go up from £900 a month £2000+. I asked Bennetts why and they cited the huge rise in bike theft in London. I may have to sell the bike until I can move out of London later in the year. b
ds.
Is your bike made from virgin unicorn horn ?!
SystemParanoia said:
TimmyWimmyWoo said:
^ good work that man for scaring them off.
As an aside, I live in SW London and my bike insurance looks set to go up from £900 a month £2000+. I asked Bennetts why and they cited the huge rise in bike theft in London. I may have to sell the bike until I can move out of London later in the year. bds.
£2000 per month!! As an aside, I live in SW London and my bike insurance looks set to go up from £900 a month £2000+. I asked Bennetts why and they cited the huge rise in bike theft in London. I may have to sell the bike until I can move out of London later in the year. b
ds.Is your bike made from virgin unicorn horn ?!
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