Post accident report - anyone feeling investigative?
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Prof Prolapse said:
Osteopaths and Chiropractors are both charlatans I'm afraid.
My 2p worth to this is, in the past I've been to an osteopath for a few different issues with my frame. The odd thing is, his approach was always the same - swing your limbs around for a while then crunch your back/neck, and that's it. Didn't matter whether you presented with backache, a headache or a gammy knee - he cracked your back every time. I don't go any more.....First off - Hope you heal up quickly and have no lasting damage.
I cant help but think the damage is consistent with with
1 - rear ended
2 - you passed out, or were knocked out before you hit the ground.
What are your gloves like? Natural instinct is to put your hands out to protect your self. out cold, you wont do this.
Any paint transfer marks on the bike? Look closely.
I cant help but think the damage is consistent with with
1 - rear ended
2 - you passed out, or were knocked out before you hit the ground.
What are your gloves like? Natural instinct is to put your hands out to protect your self. out cold, you wont do this.
Any paint transfer marks on the bike? Look closely.
CAPP0 said:
My 2p worth to this is, in the past I've been to an osteopath for a few different issues with my frame. The odd thing is, his approach was always the same - swing your limbs around for a while then crunch your back/neck, and that's it. Didn't matter whether you presented with backache, a headache or a gammy knee - he cracked your back every time. I don't go any more.....
It's quite a pleasing sound and sensation. I could be cynical and say the mild Euphoria and a definite positive sensation would be a sensible way to start any meeting where you plan to go on to bulls
t someone about your abilities. It doesn't last however, none of it does, I was told you get a day or so maximum even with the placebo effect at full tilt.amancalledrob said:
Further to above is there any possibility you lost consciousness for some reason? Any history of blackouts, low blood pressure, irregular heartbeat, faintness when standing from a sitting position, etc?
NB I have no medical training, just trying to logic it out
Got to say this is sounding like the most likley cause.NB I have no medical training, just trying to logic it out
Injury's and damage are consistent with not "tensing up" and being a bit of a rag doll when hitting the deck. I would guess you were out cold before going down, either by being rear ended or more lilly, some health issue.
how old are you, if its not too direct to ask a lady her age?
Are there any side turnings or laybys in the vicinity of the accident? Including any small lanes or farm tracks?
Is it possible that somebody or something pulled out and you hit it, but they quickly drove off?
A very unlikely scenario I know. But I had an accident many years ago when someone pulled out of a layby unsighted, because they were parked behind a lorry, and without looking just as I was coming past. They were completely crossing my Lane to get to the opposite side of the road and carry on driving in the opposite direction to me.
I rode at full speed into the front offside wing of their car and I flew over the top of the bonnet, as did my bike. There was significant damage to the front wheel and forks of my bike and lots of damage down one side where it slid down the road.
Like you I didn't remember anything about the accident at all, and although I had a conversation with the ambulance staff at the side of the road I didn't remember any of that when I came round in hospital. When the ambulance driver told me some other things I had been saying to them it turned out I had given him answers to his questions that were completely incorrect so my brain was obviously in autopilot but not properly conscious.
But I do remember the police telling me later that if the other driver hadn't stopped to describe what had happened and had instead just driven off - which they could potentially have done because the damage to their car was minor, so the vehicle was still driveable and the driver was a young lad in his mother's car and pretty shaken up so he could have panicked, then the police would have had no idea what had caused the accident on a straight piece of road with only a very damaged bike and rider but no other evidence of the cause.
Anyway, glad you are okay.
Is it possible that somebody or something pulled out and you hit it, but they quickly drove off?
A very unlikely scenario I know. But I had an accident many years ago when someone pulled out of a layby unsighted, because they were parked behind a lorry, and without looking just as I was coming past. They were completely crossing my Lane to get to the opposite side of the road and carry on driving in the opposite direction to me.
I rode at full speed into the front offside wing of their car and I flew over the top of the bonnet, as did my bike. There was significant damage to the front wheel and forks of my bike and lots of damage down one side where it slid down the road.
Like you I didn't remember anything about the accident at all, and although I had a conversation with the ambulance staff at the side of the road I didn't remember any of that when I came round in hospital. When the ambulance driver told me some other things I had been saying to them it turned out I had given him answers to his questions that were completely incorrect so my brain was obviously in autopilot but not properly conscious.
But I do remember the police telling me later that if the other driver hadn't stopped to describe what had happened and had instead just driven off - which they could potentially have done because the damage to their car was minor, so the vehicle was still driveable and the driver was a young lad in his mother's car and pretty shaken up so he could have panicked, then the police would have had no idea what had caused the accident on a straight piece of road with only a very damaged bike and rider but no other evidence of the cause.
Anyway, glad you are okay.
That finger does not look comfortable and has put me off my brew! Glad to hear/see your recovering though.
My guess is Philip Island spec seagull to the head = lights out + much crashing.
Shame no one took a picture of the scene at the time though, especially before the bike was moved, though I guess naturally most peoples reaction would be to help and clear the road first.
My guess is Philip Island spec seagull to the head = lights out + much crashing.
Shame no one took a picture of the scene at the time though, especially before the bike was moved, though I guess naturally most peoples reaction would be to help and clear the road first.
Prof Prolapse said:
Osteopaths and Chiropractors are both charlatans I'm afraid. The issue isn't how much training they have in their magic powers, rather that they rely on magic in the first place (magic is actually the correct word).
In hundreds of years of failing to demonstrate any efficacy Osteopathy finally demonstrated it was "as good" (not better) in treating lower back pain compared with Physiotherapy a few years ago. This isn't a breakthrough however, it rather just shows how poor modern medicine is at treating the back. It was a limited study as well.
Physiotherapy by contrast practices evidence-based medicine. They typically have accredited education to degree level, and their field is a science. Being a science it reflects the world we live in, and changes based on observations. By contrast Osteopathy is an art. Like painting, office management, or drawing on the pavements in chalk and begging for change. In Osteopathy reality is denied in order to maintain stuffy old practices which were designed by a deranged man with no understanding of how the body works. Osteopaths tend to shield this behind formidable knowledge of physiology, before making insanely grandiose claims, to be laughed at openly by doctors. All conmen can give a good chat after all.
Physiotherapists also has a professional body and individuals are required to meet certain professional requirements, meaning they are quality controlled, of a known standard and vetted. Whilst Osteopaths have a professional body, I do not believe it is a requirement to practice. I believe I could open a magic back rub parlour tomorrow with no training, or degree. You can't regulate what doesn't exist!
Sorry but you did ask.
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In hundreds of years of failing to demonstrate any efficacy Osteopathy finally demonstrated it was "as good" (not better) in treating lower back pain compared with Physiotherapy a few years ago. This isn't a breakthrough however, it rather just shows how poor modern medicine is at treating the back. It was a limited study as well.
Physiotherapy by contrast practices evidence-based medicine. They typically have accredited education to degree level, and their field is a science. Being a science it reflects the world we live in, and changes based on observations. By contrast Osteopathy is an art. Like painting, office management, or drawing on the pavements in chalk and begging for change. In Osteopathy reality is denied in order to maintain stuffy old practices which were designed by a deranged man with no understanding of how the body works. Osteopaths tend to shield this behind formidable knowledge of physiology, before making insanely grandiose claims, to be laughed at openly by doctors. All conmen can give a good chat after all.
Physiotherapists also has a professional body and individuals are required to meet certain professional requirements, meaning they are quality controlled, of a known standard and vetted. Whilst Osteopaths have a professional body, I do not believe it is a requirement to practice. I believe I could open a magic back rub parlour tomorrow with no training, or degree. You can't regulate what doesn't exist!
Sorry but you did ask.
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