Was at the scene of a bike crash this evening
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Came across the scene of an accident I hoped would never see involving a car and motorbike. Pulled up and got off the bike to lend a hand. Rider was conscious and lucid, he was surprisingly calm. It looked like the car had pulled out of a side road and the biker hit it. Near side front wing of the car was demolished and the bike was in a right state. Looked like a Honda CB400. The car driver didn't seem too upset either. There was a smell of petrol, but none of it was too close to the rider fortunately.
A small group of us kept him comfortable until the paramedic arrived, who promptly cut the riders gear off. That was when he found a nasty laceration on his lower back, on the right. We stayed with him until he was taken away in an ambulance, which seemed to take forever to arrive. We learnt from the rider he has only been biking for a year. Luckily he had all the right clothing on which saved him from more serious injury. It was in a 30mph speed limit right next to a housing estate. Classic SMIDSY, but it certainly pays to anticipate drivers pulling out of side roads. Fortunately this time there were no serious injuries.
A small group of us kept him comfortable until the paramedic arrived, who promptly cut the riders gear off. That was when he found a nasty laceration on his lower back, on the right. We stayed with him until he was taken away in an ambulance, which seemed to take forever to arrive. We learnt from the rider he has only been biking for a year. Luckily he had all the right clothing on which saved him from more serious injury. It was in a 30mph speed limit right next to a housing estate. Classic SMIDSY, but it certainly pays to anticipate drivers pulling out of side roads. Fortunately this time there were no serious injuries.
Well I imagine many would have done the same. As I am a fellow biker thought I could add something to the help he was receiving. As it turned out he had one of those micro metric buckles on his helmet neck strap. One of the people helping was trying to undo it as if it was a d-ring type, so I released the buckle for him as he said it was tight round his neck.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
Was the victim of a similar accident a few weeks ago. 30mph stretch of road a 4x4 pulled straight out infront of me. Lucky i got away very lightly with only a cut nose (from where my head impacted her windscreen) and a bruise on my leg. Bikes a right off though as it bent the frame behind the headstock and bent the forks. Just waiting to see what a 17 year old Zx9r Streetfighter is worth in the eyes of the insurance company now.
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Well I imagine many would have done the same. As I am a fellow biker thought I could add something to the help he was receiving. As it turned out he had one of those micro metric buckles on his helmet neck strap. One of the people helping was trying to undo it as if it was a d-ring type, so I released the buckle for him as he said it was tight round his neck.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
You unclipped his helmet? You really should leave that well alone, tight or not it needs full medical supervision before you start messing with it. It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
PS - hope he was wearing gloves
Gavia said:
You unclipped his helmet? You really should leave that well alone, tight or not it needs full medical supervision before you start messing with it.
PS - hope he was wearing gloves
To be fair, I would have done the same. PS - hope he was wearing gloves
What do you want me to do? Sit and watch him potentially choke to death whilst waiting for a paramedic to arrive?
If the person had no difficulty breathing then I'd leave the helmet alone. Struggling to breathe then I'd losen it. If he wasn't breathing at all then I'd remove it completely.
DuraAce said:
Gavia said:
You unclipped his helmet? You really should leave that well alone, tight or not it needs full medical supervision before you start messing with it.
PS - hope he was wearing gloves
To be fair, I would have done the same. PS - hope he was wearing gloves
What do you want me to do? Sit and watch him potentially choke to death whilst waiting for a paramedic to arrive?
If the person had no difficulty breathing then I'd leave the helmet alone. Struggling to breathe then I'd losen it. If he wasn't breathing at all then I'd remove it completely.
Slightly OT - I was riding home from work yesterday evening and came across a learner rider sat at the edge of the road on a roundabout, out in the sticks hardly used, frequented by drifters mostly mx5's. He was stood next to his bike hazards on looking at his phone, so I pulled over to see if I could help with what small tools I had on me.... me ''whats up mate, can I help?'' learner ''im just waiting for my mate to come back he's going knee down on this roundy''
at which point I huffed fired up and left him
at which point I huffed fired up and left him
DuraAce said:
Gavia said:
You unclipped his helmet? You really should leave that well alone, tight or not it needs full medical supervision before you start messing with it.
PS - hope he was wearing gloves
To be fair, I would have done the same. PS - hope he was wearing gloves
What do you want me to do? Sit and watch him potentially choke to death whilst waiting for a paramedic to arrive?
If the person had no difficulty breathing then I'd leave the helmet alone. Struggling to breathe then I'd losen it. If he wasn't breathing at all then I'd remove it completely.
Better to be breathing and risk spinal damage than avoid that risk but asphyxiate in the process.
Crossflow Kid said:
DuraAce said:
Gavia said:
You unclipped his helmet? You really should leave that well alone, tight or not it needs full medical supervision before you start messing with it.
PS - hope he was wearing gloves
To be fair, I would have done the same. PS - hope he was wearing gloves
What do you want me to do? Sit and watch him potentially choke to death whilst waiting for a paramedic to arrive?
If the person had no difficulty breathing then I'd leave the helmet alone. Struggling to breathe then I'd losen it. If he wasn't breathing at all then I'd remove it completely.
Better to be breathing and risk spinal damage than avoid that risk but asphyxiate in the process.
Bailey93 said:
Slightly OT - I was riding home from work yesterday evening and came across a learner rider sat at the edge of the road on a roundabout, out in the sticks hardly used, frequented by drifters mostly mx5's. He was stood next to his bike hazards on looking at his phone, so I pulled over to see if I could help with what small tools I had on me.... me ''whats up mate, can I help?'' learner ''im just waiting for my mate to come back he's going knee down on this roundy''
at which point I huffed fired up and left him
Isn't the usual convention :at which point I huffed fired up and left him
Helmet on the ground behind the bike = I need help, please stop
Helmet anywhere else = I've just stopped for a breather?
DuraAce said:
Gavia said:
You unclipped his helmet? You really should leave that well alone, tight or not it needs full medical supervision before you start messing with it.
PS - hope he was wearing gloves
To be fair, I would have done the same. PS - hope he was wearing gloves
What do you want me to do? Sit and watch him potentially choke to death whilst waiting for a paramedic to arrive?
If the person had no difficulty breathing then I'd leave the helmet alone. Struggling to breathe then I'd losen it. If he wasn't breathing at all then I'd remove it completely.
Prof Prolapse said:
Airways, Breathing, Circulation.
If you're dead from asphyxiation having a fully functional spine offers little consolation.
Can we end this discussion about asphyxiation etc now please. None of the below looks like he was on deaths door. If you're dead from asphyxiation having a fully functional spine offers little consolation.
I'm new here and have now tried to join in on two threads and everyone has jumped to extremes (and on me) in both cases. Is it always like that round here?
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Came across the scene of an accident I hoped would never see involving a car and motorbike. Pulled up and got off the bike to lend a hand. Rider was conscious and lucid, he was surprisingly calm. It looked like the car had pulled out of a side road and the biker hit it. Near side front wing of the car was demolished and the bike was in a right state. Looked like a Honda CB400. The car driver didn't seem too upset either. There was a smell of petrol, but none of it was too close to the rider fortunately.
A small group of us kept him comfortable until the paramedic arrived, who promptly cut the riders gear off. That was when he found a nasty laceration on his lower back, on the right. We stayed with him until he was taken away in an ambulance, which seemed to take forever to arrive. We learnt from the rider he has only been biking for a year. Luckily he had all the right clothing on which saved him from more serious injury. It was in a 30mph speed limit right next to a housing estate. Classic SMIDSY, but it certainly pays to anticipate drivers pulling out of side roads. Fortunately this time there were no serious injuries.
A small group of us kept him comfortable until the paramedic arrived, who promptly cut the riders gear off. That was when he found a nasty laceration on his lower back, on the right. We stayed with him until he was taken away in an ambulance, which seemed to take forever to arrive. We learnt from the rider he has only been biking for a year. Luckily he had all the right clothing on which saved him from more serious injury. It was in a 30mph speed limit right next to a housing estate. Classic SMIDSY, but it certainly pays to anticipate drivers pulling out of side roads. Fortunately this time there were no serious injuries.
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Well I imagine many would have done the same. As I am a fellow biker thought I could add something to the help he was receiving. As it turned out he had one of those micro metric buckles on his helmet neck strap. One of the people helping was trying to undo it as if it was a d-ring type, so I released the buckle for him as he said it was tight round his neck.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
Gavia said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Airways, Breathing, Circulation.
If you're dead from asphyxiation having a fully functional spine offers little consolation.
Can we end this discussion about asphyxiation etc now please. None of the below looks like he was on deaths door. If you're dead from asphyxiation having a fully functional spine offers little consolation.
I'm new here and have now tried to join in on two threads and everyone has jumped to extremes (and on me) in both cases. Is it always like that round here?
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Came across the scene of an accident I hoped would never see involving a car and motorbike. Pulled up and got off the bike to lend a hand. Rider was conscious and lucid, he was surprisingly calm. It looked like the car had pulled out of a side road and the biker hit it. Near side front wing of the car was demolished and the bike was in a right state. Looked like a Honda CB400. The car driver didn't seem too upset either. There was a smell of petrol, but none of it was too close to the rider fortunately.
A small group of us kept him comfortable until the paramedic arrived, who promptly cut the riders gear off. That was when he found a nasty laceration on his lower back, on the right. We stayed with him until he was taken away in an ambulance, which seemed to take forever to arrive. We learnt from the rider he has only been biking for a year. Luckily he had all the right clothing on which saved him from more serious injury. It was in a 30mph speed limit right next to a housing estate. Classic SMIDSY, but it certainly pays to anticipate drivers pulling out of side roads. Fortunately this time there were no serious injuries.
A small group of us kept him comfortable until the paramedic arrived, who promptly cut the riders gear off. That was when he found a nasty laceration on his lower back, on the right. We stayed with him until he was taken away in an ambulance, which seemed to take forever to arrive. We learnt from the rider he has only been biking for a year. Luckily he had all the right clothing on which saved him from more serious injury. It was in a 30mph speed limit right next to a housing estate. Classic SMIDSY, but it certainly pays to anticipate drivers pulling out of side roads. Fortunately this time there were no serious injuries.
EagleMoto4-2 said:
Well I imagine many would have done the same. As I am a fellow biker thought I could add something to the help he was receiving. As it turned out he had one of those micro metric buckles on his helmet neck strap. One of the people helping was trying to undo it as if it was a d-ring type, so I released the buckle for him as he said it was tight round his neck.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
It's quite alarming walking up to the scene of a crash with a rider lying on their back a few feet away from their mangled bike. One of the women helping had to get up and go sit down as it was getting a bit too much for her.
Gavia said:
I'm new here and have now tried to join in on two threads and everyone has jumped to extremes (and on me) in both cases. Is it always like that round here?
I’m sorry if you feel I’ve jumped to extremes or jumped on you and I, for one, welcome your input. 
I try very hard to make sure nothing in my posts are personal and please feel free to point where you think I have made a personal slight/attack/comment and I will happily apologise for it. However, if you post an opinion on a forum then you must also expect that opinion to be challenged, especially if an opinion is presented as a fact. People will not simply agree with you to avoid possible upset.
black-k1 said:
I’m sorry if you feel I’ve jumped to extremes or jumped on you and I, for one, welcome your input. I try very hard to make sure nothing in my posts are personal and please feel free to point where you think I have made a personal slight/attack/comment and I will happily apologise for it.
However, if you post an opinion on a forum then you must also expect that opinion to be challenged, especially if an opinion is presented as a fact. People will not simply agree with you to avoid possible upset.
I don't mind challenge, but likening my opinion on the other thread to Hitler was a bit brutal. I try very hard to make sure nothing in my posts are personal and please feel free to point where you think I have made a personal slight/attack/comment and I will happily apologise for it. However, if you post an opinion on a forum then you must also expect that opinion to be challenged, especially if an opinion is presented as a fact. People will not simply agree with you to avoid possible upset.
My comment on this thread was about someone saying their helmet strap was a bit tight, not about a situation where there's an unconscious, or seriously distressed patient, which was the extreme some jumped to.
Gavia said:
I don't mind challenge, but likening my opinion on the other thread to Hitler was a bit brutal.
My comment on this thread was about someone saying their helmet strap was a bit tight, not about a situation where there's an unconscious, or seriously distressed patient, which was the extreme some jumped to.
Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazism or Hitler approaches 1"—that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism.My comment on this thread was about someone saying their helmet strap was a bit tight, not about a situation where there's an unconscious, or seriously distressed patient, which was the extreme some jumped to.
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